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He's a finalist for the Padres but I wouldn't be against Mike Shildt. If he turns out to be bad, well he's just a few subtracted letters away from a real good nickname. -
I think he forced his way out of Milwaukee the moment that news came out that CC was going to take the highest offer but would give the Brewers a chance to match. Why would the Brewers even entertain a match under that scenario? They'd offer something they felt was fair and let him choose.
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Makes a ton of sense, just 90 minutes away from MKE. Gotta love the pure avarice of it all. My guess is the Brewers never budged off their initial offer that would have made him the highest paid manager. Why play the reindeer games for a dude with zero loyalty? Looking forward to Ken Macha 2.0 since I've been assured that nobody can replace CC.
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That's awesome. David Ross was such a douche I'm not surprised. Classic Chicago move.
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I will laugh myself silly if it's the Cardinals. Marmol not exactly popular there.
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Can I throw out Philly as a dark horse? Rob Thomson was an interim guy, was previously a bench coach. Maybe losing a WS and falling short was enough to move him back to bench coach? Also apparently was given a 2 year contract in 2022. It's as good as anywhere at this point.
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If he's going to a team with an existing manager then it's not Houston. Honestly, at this point just leak the team that he's going to.
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Game 8: Rams @ Packers - Sunday, Nov. 5th 12:00 PM
SeaBass replied to HarryDoyle's topic in Other Sports
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For me, 5 years $35 million is my high point, meaning I wouldn't think too hard about saying yes to that. I'd love it if it were 4 years $28 million. The years are just as important as the final AAV. What if teams are offering 6 years? I don't like the idea of being locked into a high AAV contract over a long time period. Things can change and if the club wants to make a change after year 3 I don't like the idea of throwing $21 million in a dumpster and setting it on fire. $14 million would be bad enough. I also have more of a problem with CC allegedly saying he won't budge off the highest offer he gets somewhere else. I question how much patience the Brewers will have with those tactics.
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Don't worry about it man, I'm not making the decision. Also, didn't I say this? Anyway, if this is such a slam dunk decision, why haven't the Brewers already signed him? Yeah CC wants to gauge the market but don't you think if the Brewers were offering $8 million per year he wouldn't have signed it? So clearly they're being as conservative as they can be because the money matters to them.
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I'm not saying he's easy to replace, merely that he is replaceable. I'm just saying at some point the price isn't worth the hire. Isn't that true of just about any job? And it's my opinion, I'm not trying to portray it as definitive fact. Just like you doom-seeing a significant downgrade is your opinion and not fact. I'm not as afraid to find out as you are. Honestly, I don't really care about the 1 run game stat. It's cool. I'm glad they've done well in those situations, I'm not sure how much of that is the talent available and how much is CC "magic". I don't think he's following some undecipherable strategy that only he understands. I think CC is a good leader. He's intelligent, a good communicator and a manager that players respect. He's mostly a good decision maker. Those are great qualities that make him a desirable guy to have in the role. The fact remains he's had 3 really good teams in the last 6 years and hasn't progressed to a WS. That's not all his fault either but if he's a magical being that elevates his team more than other managers elevate theirs I wish it worked better once they get to the playoffs. I'm not sure how he's achieved this level of perceived saint hood where he's become peerless in his time with some people. Anyway, I'm done. I think I've plastered enough of my opinion here for people to know where I stand.
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Yeah and really I would put more value on a football head coach than a baseball manager. College sports really is a different beast though because they're not spending a ton of money on players like pro sports teams do. The coaches are the stars for some of these programs. I know it seems like I'm anti-CC but I'm really not. I'm just trying to be objective about how much sense it makes to break the bank on a manager's salary while also pushing back against the idea that the Brewers should pay whatever it takes to keep him. Because people seem to fear that if he moves on the Brewers will become a failure of a team and I don't believe that for a second. If the Brewers end up paying him more than we've even speculated on, $8 million, $9 million, even $10 million, that's fine. I do like CC, I'll be happy if he's still here. I trust the Brewers to know what they're doing either way this goes.
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James Conner is also eligible to come off IR for the Cardinals in week 10 and while there aren't any reports that he definitely will there seems to be a feeling that he should be ready to go. Another point regarding the Packers v. Bears "who is better" is that the Bears were the first team to face the Packers with Love as the QB this season. Once the Packers had played a couple games there was tape on how they played with Love at QB and in a bit of an understatement it sure seems like they've been struggling more on offense since then. The Bears didn't have the benefit of studying tape, they were going in blind.
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That's two guys out of 30. One guy with 57 career playoff games won and multiple WS appearances and the other with 45 career playoff games won and multiple WS appearances. Now a guy with 7 career playoff games won and zero WS appearances wants to be paid more than those guys. How is that not resetting the market?
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Right. Because an analytical front office is going to hire that type of guy. The entire point of my stance is that worshiping at the altar of Craig Counsell is not the only way forward. What a radical idea that is apparently worthy of a good stoning by the citizenry.
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He's managed 4 World Series champions, managed a 5th team that lost a WS and been to 4 other LCS's. I'd pay him too.
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Thing is, if the Brewers have already hypothetically offered $6 then upping it to $7 isn't inherently a bad thing. To me it's more about how he's playing the nickel and dime game to get there. It's his right but if he really wants to manage in Milwaukee, it's his dream, he loves it, then why wring the last penny he possibly can? I both understand and don't at the same time. I just refuse to adhere to the idea that no price is too high. And when you do the thing and give the money for 5 or even 6 years, what happens when 3 years in things aren't going the way you want and want to make a change? You eat 3 years and $21 million dollars. Why? Because you let yourself believe that nobody else could do it? Folly. Not long ago Joe Maddon was the best thing since sliced bread, then the team he took to its first World Series in over a century declined to even offer him an extension and allowed his contract to expire. The next team that hired him fired him after less than two full seasons.
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It's not cheap though. He could be getting a 5 year contract, at $7 million per year that's $35 million when you could easily pay less than half of that on a new guy. $35 million in non-player salary or $10 million? You don't think having an extra $25 million is a good thing?
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Because you can pay someone else less to do the exact same thing and I'd rather spend money on players. Pretty simple. Managers don't have to hit a fastball, they don't strike out, they don't pitch or play defense. This idea that CC is irreplaceable is fantastically over the top dumb.
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There's literally no reason to doubt the story, he wants to reset the manager salary market . Multiple sources have been saying it for weeks. Now you could float the idea he's bluffing which is possible, maybe he won't hard line the absolute top of the market but the JS article says the Brewers have already offered him a contract that would top the current market and he still chose to take interviews. I'm inclined to let him leave. My belief (pure speculation) is that the Brewers have offered in the range of $5.5 to $6 million. Maybe they match $7 but there's also the part of me that feels like I don't want to be part of the clown show where he's having teams out bid each other just so he can make his preferred team raise their offer. The hell with that, you want to play bidding war games then bye bye, see ya later.
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Stearns was hired by the Brewers in late 2015 and had them in the NLCS in 2018. While I think he was ahead of the curve in roster building for that time he could still do it in under 4 or 5 years with the Mets. Yes the Braves and Phillies are good but there are more than enough playoff spots up for grabs.
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Game 7: Vikings @ Packers - Sunday, October 2pth 12:00 PM
SeaBass replied to HarryDoyle's topic in Other Sports
This is a lot of hindsight gobbledygook. Got it, you're in the "no risk" camp because you either are or you're not. John Lynch is far from the only GM that's been burned making huge trades for high round QBs. Clearly teams value taking those risks enough to continue making those types of moves. Again, the Packers' risk was pretty mild in comparison. Some people might feel there was a single player that if taken was going to make a difference and change Packers history as we know it. I'm in the group that thinks things would have gone pretty much the same for them as it did. I think Gutekunst will be here through the 2024 season if not longer. This season was never going to be a serious go-for-it type of year so I'm sorry to everyone that wants him gone but he's just not getting fired after this one. Mark Murphy is in charge until the summer of 2025, I think Gutekunst is going to be around for as long as Murphy will be. Maybe he gets fired before the 2025 draft if the board puts pressure on Murphy to make a move going into his lame duck off-season but Murphy is pretty slow to act as shown by his history. -
Game 7: Vikings @ Packers - Sunday, October 2pth 12:00 PM
SeaBass replied to HarryDoyle's topic in Other Sports
Frankly I'm tired of this entire narrative. It's a tiny price to pay if you feel like the player is worth it, especially for a QB. The 49ers traded 3 firsts and a 3rd to take Trey Lance. QBs bust all the time, only losing out on one extra 4th round pick is getting off cheap. And we still haven't seen the actual end of Love's story. The other alternative is not taking any risks. I'll take the front office that takes risks all day long. -
This thread has become beyond ridiculous. The underlining thing about it, though it's probably pretty hard to see right now, is that easily 99.9% of the posters here want Craig Counsell to remain the manager of the Milwaukee Brewers.
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I looked up Giannis's FT stats and the last two seasons he's averaged roughly 8 makes out of between 11 to 12 attempts per game. If he can keep that up I honestly think that's more than satisfactory from him.
