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Yup, by my count, we’re owed 48 bloops on the year.

On a brighter note: Brent Suter > 3 ip 2 h 0 bb 5Ks On a not so bright note: Freddy Peralta > first batter > bb second batter > hit by pitch

This brewers team has a much better core of high quality players to build around than 2015-16. Grisham Hiura Woodruff Houser is a strong group to build around. Sign Grisham and Hiura to 8 year deals. That gives us a full 6 years with them before traded with 2 years control left, to get another re-tool going. Plan A.) Trade Cain Yelich Hader Davies Anderson Shaw Thames jeffress Guerra this offseason, if that’s too many players to trade, keep Anderson and Shaw and Thames And jeffress And Guerra Trade them at the deadline, that’s at least 7-8 top 100 players added to 1 or 2 already in the system, and while there is a dearth of position prospects, there is an abundance of pitching prospects that should be ML ready over the next 2 years. Put Burnes Peralta in the rotation with Houser and let them develop. Of the 7-8 top 100 prospects, 2 or 3 should be talented ML ready, and inserted to the lineup joining Hiura and Grisham and Braun. Including Braun the payroll should be less than 40 million. The following offseason trade Knebel, and with a still top 5 farm and young core up to 6-7 talented, add more of the ML ready prospects to the core, and or start trading for talented veterans. We should be highly competitive in 2021, with an Ace in Woodruff, and solid rotation with Houser and possibly Burnes or Peralta among others. Bullpen with Rasmussen Williams Wahl Black among many others. And with the accumulation of 8-10 top 100 prospects some of which will be stars joining Hiura Grisham. No Braun and a 2021 payroll under 40 million again. 2022 start the big time spending to win the series. Plan B.) Keep Yelich, Trade Cain and Hader And Shaw pay down Cain’s contract for a quality prospect to go with the 3 top 100 prospects from the Hader Trade. Use the money saved from the Cain contract to improve elsewhere. Payroll, without Cain’s contract would be ~ 90 million, leaving ~ 50-60 million to upgrade SS 3B CF pitching staff. ~ 19 million extra revenue for 2020, 9 million to every club(Fox National)and ~ 10 million(local Fox). Of the prospects received 1 ML ready > insert into the lineup. Bullpen, especially the 2nd half should be quite strong without Hader. Knebel after the all star break, Wahl, Williams Jeffress Black possibly Rasmussen and possible trade acquisitions among others. Woodruff Houser veteran trade acquisition Anderson Davies should make for a solid rotation. Upgrade at SS 3B Will help the offense, Freitas should hit 275-300. Improvement from Grisham and Hiura will also help the offense. This should be a contender, then at the deadline go for it big time. Not sure yet which way I’d go, back and forth on this one.

This is the hottest of your "what have you done for me lately" hot takes. IMO the Brewers are not in the situation of having to cut costs. If going for it in 2020, if Cain rebounds closer to 2018, then of course he’s worth keeping, but what if, like I believe, he’ll never be anything close to 2018 Cain, what if he’s 2019 Cain? Then What?

Come on. Tyrone Taylor? If healthy, yes. Another high draft pick that last year when healthy put up his best year. High hopes going into this year, and like Trent Grisham looked great in ST. Then has been injured a lot of this year. Could be a sleeper, and if healthy could better Cain offensively.

If I’m David Stearns, I don’t take the chance of another horrible offensive season from Cain. He’s past prime, defensively he will get worse, Tyrone Taylor can probably provide close to the same offense if healthy, with pretty good defense. 17 million can be spent in a better area of need. And if we re-tool > saved and used at a more opportune time.

But why does Hiura have to be a Yelich to make a 8 year extension a great team value? Rick Hahn is looking pretty good for extending Jimenez.

He's already locked up. For the next 6+ years. I have no reservation really with giving him a long-term deal but you keep harping on this like he's going to walk in the offseason if they don't do something. Yes, but wouldn’t it be great if we had Yelich signed for 2 additional years at well below market value?

66 million gross profit. Then add playoff revenue ON TOP OF THAT > another 10-20 million > now it’s not quite as impressive is it? I don't know how many times you need to be told that us joe schmoes have no idea on numbers of that nature. We simply don't know that stuff and acting factual on it is incorrect. What we do know for a fact, is they increased payroll in the 30 mil type area and it's drastically more than they ever spent before. The 66 gross profit is as factual as one can get with guarded books, comes from FORBES. Playoff revenue is estimated 10-20 million. If it’s 10 million that’s a 76 million gross profit which is top 10 in all of baseball. Actually the 66 is top 10 in baseball. But whatever, I’m also sick of saying it.

66 million gross profit. Then add playoff revenue ON TOP OF THAT > another 10-20 million > now it’s not quite as impressive is it?

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough? You said this back in February: Stearns & co has built a championship caliber team for this year. What Separates this team from any other national league team including the dodgers is there depth. Best 40 man in league and it’s not even Close! This team will overcome injuries because of it, And get stronger at the trade deadline. And like last year dominate sept with Call-ups. This will be one of mlb’s super teams THIS year! What Stearns has done in the last 41 months is simply astounding! viewtopic.php?f=63&t=38134&p=1197234#p1197234 You can't go from that to wanting him fired 6 months later just because the results haven't been as good as you had expected, man. Stop with the I want him fired talk, I’ve just gone from as you pointed out, from wow, aren’t we lucky to have him, too, questioning whether or not he’s the right person for the job. Is there anyone on this board who DOESNT THINK STEARNS SHOULD LOCK UP HIURA ASAP?

As far as Bud Selig is concerned, I believe, he knew, bottom line, if he couldn’t get revenue sharing, a new ballpark, etc. the brewers wouldn’t even be in MKE. Sort of a bigger fish to fry type deal. His mistake was having his Daughter run the team. Back when he owned the team, he spared no expense. Team always near the top in payroll, at least more years than not from 78-92. No comparison between Attanasio and Selig. Attanasio above all else is a brilliant money maker. It’s who he is. That doesn’t necessarily make him a bad owner. As I’ve said repeatedly, THERE ARE MANY MORE WORSE OWNERS than him. But he’s not CASTELLINI of the reds who will forgo a profit, at least in a one or two year time frame to improve the odds of winning.

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough? Early rotation, you mean the rotation you agreed with wholeheartedly? Man, you go overboard with everything. Of course Stearns made mistakes, and he'll make more. But fire him? For not signing Hiura to an 8 year contract? Funny, not long ago you were including Grisham as a player they MUST lock up. But he has cooled off, and so have you. Would not surprise me if Hiura continues to cool off for a few more days you'll be off his bandwagon too. No no, still want team to secure both Grisham and Hiura. I was wrong on the rotation, but I believed the hype created by CC and Stearns.

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough? Enough to fire him? Hell no. Yeah, some of the moves have been questionable or flat out bad. Some he made last year were questionable at the time as well. The difference is that last year most of those ended up working out. They haven't this year. It's baseball. That happens. Sometimes it just isn't your year. But to overreact and call for change when that happens is a great way to guarantee that EVERY year isn't going to be your year. Or maybe the rebuild was too fast? Maybe a younger more talented core of players is the way to go with a below league average payroll. Maybe it’s the reason Attanasio hires him in the first place. Because, maybe he convinced our owner he could turn around this team quickly, and that’s the reason he got the job. Imo, can’t win a World Series with astute waiver wire claims and cheap scrap heap pickups AND A BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE PAYROLL.

Sounds like you want Bud Selig again. Ha, at his age, there would definitely be a massive incentive to win the series sooner rather than later.

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports. So you're just ignoring the post that points out that Galvis's K percentage is higher than Arcia's? That's on point. Why is Galvis ‘s war higher?

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

Counsell doesn’t think he brings his glove, and neither do the defensive metrics, although to my eyes, he has been better this 2nd half defensively.

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports.

The pitching has been worse than I thought it would be, yes. But 2 things have compounded the pitching to make it worse than it should be. Injuries have hurt the rotation, especially Woodruff’s, taking him out for 2 months has taken some wind out of the sails. And this offenses ability to keep far too many games close, with the staff throwing far too many stressful innings has hurt this staff. I don’t mind the trades he made at the deadline, it’s the one he didn’t make that adds to the poor decision making that gives me pause, that he’s the right leader for this team. Galvis for 1.8 million salary this year could have been had to replace Arcia. Imo, a no brainer. Pitching is worse mostly due to the fact Burnes/Peralta both failed miserably. You agreed, in fact loved, Stearns decision to go with the 3 young starters. But he shouldn't be fired for that decision, he should be fired for the horrific decision not to sign a mediocre SS. Got it. I never said he should be fired, except if Hiura not offered 8 year extension. Going into this year I was enamored with Stearns. To the point of thinking Attanasio had hired the best GM in the game. It has been a terrible year for both Stearns and Counsell, to the point of whether or not they should lead this team. Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already. But of course that dream is not reality, so imo, we need an architect that is massively forward thinking, the opposite of risk averse(example > Dick Williams). Thought coming into this year we had that GM, now I’m not so sure.

Because we watch brewer games in person and on tv, 4-5 times each game, we have to watch this horrible hitter flail away, game after game, year after year, the cumulative effect is maddening. Galvis would have put an end to that

The pitching has been worse than I thought it would be, yes. But 2 things have compounded the pitching to make it worse than it should be. Injuries have hurt the rotation, especially Woodruff’s, taking him out for 2 months has taken some wind out of the sails. And this offenses ability to keep far too many games close, with the staff throwing far too many stressful innings has hurt this staff. I don’t mind the trades he made at the deadline, it’s the one he didn’t make that adds to the poor decision making that gives me pause, that he’s the right leader for this team. Galvis for 1.8 million salary this year could have been had to replace Arcia. Imo, a no brainer.

First off, thank you for what had to have been exhaustive time consuming work gathering up that truly astounding amount of factual information. The eye test, watching this team, outside of opening day, flail away in what has to be approaching a thousand times with runners on base, has me wondering why some on this site want Arcia Moose Grandal Shaw anywhere near this team, moving forward. Isn’t it obvious we should move on from these players and re-tool at at least 3B SS C and get some hitters with higher BATTING AVERAGES. Travis Shaw? Trade low, don’t care. Arcia? Trade or option him for year, get him out of this lineup. Moose > OUR WORST HITTER WITH RISP, let him go. Grandal not good in the second half, could be just wore out, which if true could have been remedied by calling up you know who, but nonetheless 15-20 million probably could be used in other area’s.

Last night I was just agreeing with a poster that said the turning point of the season was when Stearns sent down Hiura for, I think we all know was for super 2 reasons. And I stand by my comments to fire Stearns if he doesn’t TRY to extend Hiura. Imo, should have been done already, like Hahn did with Eloy Jimenez, similar talents. Waiting costs money, lots of it, which because of our chronic below average payroll we obviously can’t afford. WERE’S THE FORWARD THINKING?

So the Astros 3-4 years ago went out and overnight they overhauled their roster? So between 2015 and 2016, right? That's funny; their top 8 position players this year. Alex Bregman 2nd overall pick 2012 draft. Michael Brantley-sign as a FA 2019. George Springer-11th pick overall in 2011 draft Yuli Gurriel-Defected in 2015 from Cuba, a 33 year old rookie in 2016. Carlos Correa 1st pick overall 2012 draft Robinson Chirinos Signed as a FA last year(coming off a year in which he struck out 33 pct of the time. Jose Altuve-signed 2007 amateur FA, lineup mainstay since 2012 Yordan Alvarez-Signed in 2016 Amateur FA, traded to Astros in 2016 Jake Marisnick-Acquired in 2014 as part of a 7 player trade. Top 8 offensive performers on the Astros. I'm not seeing how they changed course overnight? Seems to me that losing 100 games for about 5 years, having 3 straight years drafting 1st overall, having multiple top 5 picks another year, picking in the top 11 for about a 7-8 year stretch had a BIT more to do with it. They made no decision, "conscious," or otherwise. They got premium talent because they tanked for about 5 years. They didn't go out and make an "overnight" change 3-4 years ago. Their key contributors have been in their system for 6-7 years. Unless you believe they viewed 19-year-old Amateur FA Yordan Alvarez as the fix for all their problems in 2016 when they traded for him? I find that rather unlikely. Also... You also said this team had FOUR legitimate aces and next year we'd have 5. So you have both revisionist history AND you claiming to be right and hamming down on this ridiculous. You conflate the "tack on runs," with you claiming they had a "bad offense." I don't remember you beating this drum that their offense would "be their undoing." In fact, I remember you touting how we had X number of players who could hit 20 HR's in our lineup. I thought you landed at 8, but honestly, you're so all over the place, given the time of day or the particular AB, you've predicted a World Series run(you did that before the ASB) to now claiming you knew all along what their "undoing" was. And finally, you're argument now is that the ONLY guys in the lineup who have smart approaches are Grisham and Hiura. Not the reigning MVP who's actually better this year and putting together one of the best if not the best offensive season in Brewers history? Not Cain who had a .400 OBP last year? And not only that, but it's Stearns design to create this type of team? The 2016 Astros k’d > 1452, 2017 > 1087. We all know about Houston’s record breaking tank, and yes, premium talent starting to mature helps cut down on the Ks, but luhnow did make changes to the team after 16. Josh Reddick, Carlos Beltran, Brian McCann, replaced the likes of Colby Rasmus, Carlos Gomez and Luis Valbuena. Those changes and yes, the further maturation of premium tanking talent helped to reduce the K’s. It’s getting old, to bring up my 3-4 TOR comment, or as you say Aces. But whatever. You have me confused with someone else, because I’ve been beating the bad offense drum since April. Just about everyone know’s this except you. So fast to crush, like I really think Yelich has a bad plate approach. Funny. Cain has all year though, kinda dumb to say otherwise huh. And yes our architect has put together this offense, and for whatever reason it’s just bad. RISP the worst in the league bad. That was apparent back in early April and has continued on and on through game #124. Nice try though.