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Don’t forget the juiced ball in AAA, power numbers skewed. But he should make good contact(only 50 Ks in AAA) or enough contact to be able to hit a little better than Arcia. This offense needs a couple of contact hitters, here’s to hoping he can be one of them.

If it’s less Ks I’ll be happy.

I’m getting tired of hearing with absolute certainty that Houser is a pen arm > Hogwash! The brewers think your wrong and so do I. If your right, and those 7 you listed are mlb pitchers, that’s 6 that could be added in the next year and a half, since they are all at AA or AAA, except Ashby, who’s arguably one of our top 2 pitching prospects and could if all goes just right, also make the big club within said time frame. You just made my argument. Most teams would be ecstatic to add 7 mlb pitchers to their staff in two, even if it was 3 years.

Teams with the prospects and the need for Hader at this year’s deadline: 1.) Twins 2.) Astros 3.) Rays 4.) Braves 5.) Dodgers You can cross off the Rays, Twins, and Braves. These type of moves are things they don't normally do especially the Rays. That leaves you with the Astros and the Dodgers. I don't see the Dodgers going out and paying what it would cost to acquire Hader and I don't see the Astros doing it either. Again it is way too early to be trading Hader. This maybe an off season move but is probably more of a 2021 move. I just don't see a team trading away the talent needed for the Brewers to make a trade. This is the same issue the Angels had with Trout. There is basically no team out there that will even offer the amount of value to fulfill the kind of trade that would be needed. Then we take what we’d get with 3 1/2 yrs of control, for 2 reasons: Protect from injury and regression, this is being overlooked way to much in my opinion, especially regression. Even if there’s slight regression his value goes down substantially, right now his overwhelming dominant aura adds to his value, imo. Timing > the players we get back will/can help us THIS year and next. Waiting costs us wins. So the prospect package would be closer to the 3 1/2 year control but team would get the 4 1/2. You don’t know that the Rays Twins Braves wouldn’t be in. There’s never been a pen arm with the control like Hader On the market in the history of baseball.

I’m starting this off by saying I’m probably more bullish on our minor league system than most, so with that said. A bat(castellanos) or two(Walker) a couple of pen arms(Smith)(Diekman) a call-up or two(Grisham?Freitas?Devin Williams?Perdomo) all mixed together should get us to the playoffs > cheaply enough. Not going to give up that much to acquire those players because of the rental effect. And I would argue, we’d possibly be the second or third best team behind the(possibly best team since the 98 Yankees and top 10 team of all time dodgers), and maybe the Braves, Cubbies, but right there nonetheless. If we’re not gonna give up a lot of prospect capital, why not sign some rentals?

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claims. Yet all you do is continue to spout your claims over and over, almost as if you believe that if you say it enough times, it's a fact. You have NEVER presented any proof, other than saying "I've done my research". That is why no one is taking you seriously. You, like everyone else, have absolutely no clue what the Brewers revenue vs. expense numbers look like. We can make guesstimates, but as a privately held company, they aren't going to release those numbers, so it is simply a guess. The fact of the matter is billionaires don't buy major league baseball teams as a money-making venture. The investment is more for fun, and because they are baseball fans. I have printed information in numerous threads, you just chose to ignore them, or haven’t seen them. It’s the easy fall to statement, we don’t know the expenses, dah. But if the brewers are in the top 5 of ALL TEAMS in gross profit, you can be sure they are making a healthy profit. The one team who have had to spill the most information, the Braves, made over 100 million, with a terrible tv deal. How can you say billionaire’s don’t buy teams to make money? 20(est)million times 15 = 300 million of which 38% is Attanasio’s = 114(est)million in profits Team’s value > 1.2 billion -225 million(what he paid)= 975 million times 38 % = 371 million 371 + 114(est) = 485 million in 15 years = Attanasio’s He’s not a billionaire yet, but he’s getting there.

Pen arms are easier(less expensive prospect wise)to acquire than Starting pitchers, so of course I’d leave him in the rotation. Gots to have a little patience here, can’t just yank him without giving him a real opportunity to succeed, especially since he’s really been a starter most of his baseball life. And if people can’t see that his mix is special, I don’t know what to tell you.

Something needs to change with this offense, maybe a rookie can ignite this team. It certainly won’t hurt to add a little more speed to the lineup, of course he needs to get on base for that to matter.

It’s not that simple? What have I said that you KNOW is incorrect? All anyone has done here is say it’s not that simple or how do you know this or show us the info. I’ve shown the info over the last 5 months on this site and it just gets ignored. But I still get hammered. I started out as the lone voice on this, now, hopefully there’s a few that have opened their minds to the reality of the profits this team makes, year after year. Profits, not the value of the franchise. If we talk about the value of the franchise it really gets all the more ridiculous. 152 million more in the last 15 months. 152 million, and people are in awe(Haudricourt)of a 127 million payroll, with another probable profit north of 30 million. While Stearns has to bottom feed, waiver wire, yes sign > Grandal, but that money just got the payroll up to where the reds are at. The reds, a team with LESS REVENUE than the brewers! I’m NOT suggesting Attanasio take a loss, even for just one year, I’m saying, for one year or two years, With a team recognized as a real contender, to payroll this team to CLOSE to breakeven. That could be 155-165, and trust Stearns to spend wisely, which we all know he will do, increasing the odds of a deep playoff run, which in turn, makes a profit again, builds the brand, adds value to the franchise. Now why is it not this simple? What is wrong with this scenario? How many more years do we have to wait to win a series? It’s been 50. Why should the best fans( Per capita )in baseball have a payroll not reflective of its fans? If Bud selig still owned this team, what would he do? I think we know the answer.

What I remember is the Dodgers (& likely the Brewers & other interested teams) discussing trade scenarios with the Orioles leading up to the deadline. Based on Machado being traded to Los Angeles it would seem as though Baltimore thought they offered the best prospects of the interested clubs. The amateur market (where the prospects came from) already is capped with controlled spending. I guess what I am struggling to understand is how not having a cap on MLB salaries prevented us from trading prospects for Manny Machado? Amateur spending on players is capped, yes, but, teams can spend as much as they want on scouting, logistics, etc. again, massive advantage to the large markets, able to scout many more players.

We've won the 8th most games in MLB since Attanasio hired Stearns. I think they share the "blame" for that in some proportion (along with Counsell & the players themselves & the rest of the field staff & front office). The Stearns hiring was brilliant on Attanasio’s part. He hired a boy genius that re-built this team with help from Melvin’s all time record hader houser Phillips Santana Trade, among other moves, in near record time. Avoiding a tank that would cost the team lots of revenue. My guess is Stearns has made Attanasio over 150 million in the last 3 years if playoff revenue is included. 2.5-3 million fans year after year, 20-60 million in profits every year. All we are is a fan, that continues to overperform their market size to the extreme. It’s laughable how much this fan base supports this team, and, that’s it’s NOT reciprocated with a payroll deserving of said fan. 127 million is embarrassing.

There are about 2 posters that make this a thing every single night, so I don't think you can blame the group as much as a couple individuals... My spidey sense thinks the two posters are the same guy Well, I’m sorry to inform you that your wrong, 2 separate humans. The only poster that I’ve seen on this board that talks about the lack of payroll is me. Some talk about Stearns sitting on his butt, you know, blame Stearns. Not me, I’m the lone voice here that puts the blame where it belongs > Attanasio.

Finally, the real issue comes to light. Pitching on this team can be fixed easier than this offense. 2 pen arms, Houser and or Chacin improvement, Gio a bonus. The offense........

Yes, scorched earth tanking, but they didn’t hit on all their #1 draft picks. Lots of patience with great trades orchestrated by Luhnow, of course a little luck and a payroll over 160 million did the trick. The Astros were ahead of everybody else analytically, but not now. Things have changed massively in the last 4-5 years.

The Royals won the Series before analytics took over. High payroll teams have more of an advantage than ever before, foolish contracts are decreasing, it’s easy to be smart with the money. Superteams are forming. Sorry but the twins not the best team in the league, neither is Tampa, You have the Yankees and Astros then everybody else. In our League it’s the dodgers, then everybody else. Do you actually think Stearns wouldn’t spend an extra 50 million wisely? What could Stearns have done this year with an extra 30-40 million?

The Brewers have 2 division titles this decade and two trips to the NLCS. It actually has been pretty enjoyable. Imagine what could be done if it was a "FAIR" league ... CC Sabathia, Prince Fielder, CoCo Cordero, Carlos Lee, Zack Greinke, etc. would have never left!!! Come on, you accept mediocrity because of an "UNFAIR" system .... it's time for the fans in Miwaukee, Oakland, KC, Minny, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Baltimore, Detroit and all to revolt against this revolting system in the MLB!!! Players union far too strong. They will never allow a hard cap, plus we already have a soft cap with the luxury tax. The brewers just need a payroll that reflects the overperformance of their fans. Simple.

He’s a rotation arm, can’t pull the plug this early on him, imo. We have to have some patience with rookie starters at some point. He’ll improve.

Smyly: 4 ip 3 h 1 r 0 bb 7 Ks 51 pitches 37 strikes Lightning in a bottle?

David Stearns has a ridiculously low payroll, not reflective of his wisdom. He’s been doin it on the cheap, and overperforming his payroll, but there’s a limit to what he can do. We can’t have a payroll as large as the aforementioned teams, but with a gross profit north of 75 million last year, and a contending team, SHOULD have been much higher than 127 million. If so, should some of us be screaming at Mark Attanasio, then? Yes. Attanasio should, in a year after one game from the series, upped the payroll to at least within 50 million of the Cubbies. But we still have a trade deadline and will add payroll, hoping it’s substantial, but not holding my breath for that.

David Stearns has a ridiculously low payroll, not reflective of his wisdom. He’s been doin it on the cheap, and overperforming his payroll, but there’s a limit to what he can do. We can’t have a payroll as large as the aforementioned teams, but with a gross profit north of 75 million last year, and a contending team, SHOULD have been much higher than 127 million.

Teams with the prospects and the need for Hader at this year’s deadline: 1.) Twins 2.) Astros 3.) Rays 4.) Braves 5.) Dodgers

That’s two more than I could think of, so yes he’s done it before, we’ll see what happens at the deadline.

The selling high on Hader is NOT being a seller at the deadline. It’s selling high on Hader, AND using the massive prospect haul to better the team immediately, THIS YEAR. Sellers and buyers at the same time. Pen arms no matter how awesome(Hader)can be replaced with pen arms that can still close out the win. Some of the top prospects received can be used to acquire a top player or two to help win THIS year and the future. This eliminates possible injury and even slight regression from Hader being a concern moving forward.

This time probably got it right, impressive in that extra inning Cubbies game at Wrigley, at least to me, even though he gave up that game winning big fly to Contreras. Can give us 3-4 innings if needed too.

Sure there is. Relievers are so volatile. Edwin Diaz was every bit as good as Hader was last year, if not better and now he has an ERA pushing 6 with a FIP of around 4 and is giving up hard contact nearly half the time. Same is true for Blake Treinen and Jose Leclerc and Jose Alvarado and Jeurys Familia and Joakim Soria and Jeremy Jeffress and Dellin Betances. Exactly. That’s why Stearns should trade as high on Hader as he can as quickly as he can. THIS DEADLINE. The haul would be historic and franchise altering. With Stearns & co’s brainpower we could parlay the haul into multiple all star type players at multiple positions, giving this team a better chance to win NOW and during Yelich’s window.