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I didn't even think about this, but with no Rule5 draft last year...anyone think it's more likely there is a bit more movement this year when it comes to the Rule5? Not with our prospects necessarily, but just in general.
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I didn't even think about this, but with no Rule5 draft last year...anyone think it's more likely there is a bit more movement this year when it comes to the Rule5? Not with our prospects necessarily, but just in general.
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Really good article. They haven't QUITE gotten the dominance out of their top 2, they've lost Woody and Peralta to injuries. Lauer...I though he'd kinda helped keep us above water the last two months(or at least stopped us from completely going under). 2.98 his last 10 starts, but he had a rough stretch. The top two not being just quite as good and injuries have played the biggest role. Ideally, Houser would be your #5 and Ashby would be available to throw 2-3 inning up to 3 times a week or being used in any number of roles. Also, I had high hopes for Ashby to take that next step and become a little more dominant this year. Not that I'm disappointed with his performance per say...it's just frustrating WHERE he's making his mistakes. A guy with his type of stuff should NOT be at his worst statistically when it's 0-2 or on the 1st pitch. That 97 MPH fastball with movement, the slider. The only thing I wish he could do is take a bit more off that change. 96 to 89 isn't quite the change of speed you'd like... Anyway, I still see the potential for a big Sept run. My biggest concern at this point though is close games late. Devin Williams just FEELS shaky, Bush and that straight FB gives up HRs. Rogers has looked better. I think it's gonna take someone stepping up. If that's Cousins or Box, IDK, but I still like this teams chances.
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Article: The Stat that Craig Counsell has on his Side
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This tracks with my opinion of Counsell. He's a great manager, however this year in particular though...I haven't been as big of fan of some of his moves. I've seen people suggesting he should and or would get fired if this team fails to make it to the post-season. Not just trolls, I've seen it on here and by actual Baseball people speculating. I say speculating because I can't imagine they have a source that would back up such utter nonsense. Counsell to me has this job for as long as he wants it. I full expect him to be the manager in Milwaukee for another 10-15 years. He's Bobby Cox, he's Tom Kelly, I'd say Sparky Anderson, but he was fired in Cincy, but Sparky in Det. The Brewers are having one of the most frustrating years in the last decade when you look at expected performance vs actual performance. I thought this was another ~100 win team that could compete for a WS. Things happen. Adames has struggled. We've played poorly. As mentioned, I've disagreed with some of CC's moves and what should be a reliable BP(despite the loss of Hader) has been disappointing with someone blowing the lead seemingly every night. And we're 68-60 the last day of August and in a playoff race. That is how David Stearns...who's also made the occasional bad deadline deal, Matt Arnold, Tom Flanagan, Tod Johnson, among others...have given Counsel varying levels of talent and they've always played up to it. And I say always as this year is not yet over. Remember the names Sal Bando, Ron Roenicke, Ken Macha, etc... This also doesn't mean you can't question why he's not starting Keston Hiura vs RH'ed pitchers just to be clear. Just appreciate we have one of the best in baseball and a manager can do but so much. -
Article: The Stat that Craig Counsell has on his Side
UpandIn replied to Caleb Miller's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
This tracks with my opinion of Counsell. He's a great manager, however this year in particular though...I haven't been as big of fan of some of his moves. I've seen people suggesting he should and or would get fired if this team fails to make it to the post-season. Not just trolls, I've seen it on here and by actual Baseball people speculating. I say speculating because I can't imagine they have a source that would back up such utter nonsense. Counsell to me has this job for as long as he wants it. I full expect him to be the manager in Milwaukee for another 10-15 years. He's Bobby Cox, he's Tom Kelly, I'd say Sparky Anderson, but he was fired in Cincy, but Sparky in Det. The Brewers are having one of the most frustrating years in the last decade when you look at expected performance vs actual performance. I thought this was another ~100 win team that could compete for a WS. Things happen. Adames has struggled. We've played poorly. As mentioned, I've disagreed with some of CC's moves and what should be a reliable BP(despite the loss of Hader) has been disappointing with someone blowing the lead seemingly every night. And we're 68-60 the last day of August and in a playoff race. That is how David Stearns...who's also made the occasional bad deadline deal, Matt Arnold, Tom Flanagan, Tod Johnson, among others...have given Counsel varying levels of talent and they've always played up to it. And I say always as this year is not yet over. Remember the names Sal Bando, Ron Roenicke, Ken Macha, etc... This also doesn't mean you can't question why he's not starting Keston Hiura vs RH'ed pitchers just to be clear. Just appreciate we have one of the best in baseball and a manager can do but so much. -
This was my thought...though I'll be honest, I didn't really consider the 13 pitcher limit, more just the extra roster spot and the DH. I was just curious how close people have Valerio to protecting him, if people thought he could be picked. The arguments against make sense. He's 21, been pushed aggressively, but also limited defensively and hasn't had a big year offensively.
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This was my thought...though I'll be honest, I didn't really consider the 13 pitcher limit, more just the extra roster spot and the DH. I was just curious how close people have Valerio to protecting him, if people thought he could be picked. The arguments against make sense. He's 21, been pushed aggressively, but also limited defensively and hasn't had a big year offensively.
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Well...if I was running a team that was projected to lose 90+ games anyway(or even a team that's going to lose 80 and they know they won't be competitive) then I'd argue talent and potential is pretty big. And it's not like he'd be going from A ball to the Big leagues. AA to MLB. Not all that rare of a jump. I get we have to be selective, but...yeah, I think there are teams that would take a prospect like him and sit him for most of a year, especially with the 26th man. He'd be the highest rated prospect we'd have left unprotected in a while, wouldn't he? I could definitely see the A's taking a guy like him. A team that's probably going to lose 90-100 games, doesn't have much 2B depth and keep him on the roster for 90 days and then like Wei-chung Wang, he starts dealing with some injuries and they get him through to next year. There are a lot of guys, I was just asking if he'd given Valerio any consideration.
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Not even a maybe for Valerio? A guy with a 60 hit tool who gets doesn't strike out a ton and does walk a lot? It's a little tough for a 5'7 player who's primarily limited to 2B, a position we seem to have fairly well stocked at the moment, but nonetheless, someone who can play all IF positions along with CF. After the season ends, anyone on the 60 day DL, they revert back and count against the 40 man, correct? We should be able to get down to ~30 40 man roster spots...though I'm sure Stearns will add a few players pretty quickly. Obviously some of those will go to FAs/trades. I've love to be able to keep Turang, Uribe, Robinson, and then Victor Castaneda, Justin Jarvis, Felix Valerio...probably in that order. I wonder if the 26th man roster spot and full season MiLB will increase the # of rule 5 players changing teams or if it will have little impact. I thought there was an increase last year, no? I haven't really followed it all that closely the past few years.
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Not even a maybe for Valerio? A guy with a 60 hit tool who gets doesn't strike out a ton and does walk a lot? It's a little tough for a 5'7 player who's primarily limited to 2B, a position we seem to have fairly well stocked at the moment, but nonetheless, someone who can play all IF positions along with CF. After the season ends, anyone on the 60 day DL, they revert back and count against the 40 man, correct? We should be able to get down to ~30 40 man roster spots...though I'm sure Stearns will add a few players pretty quickly. Obviously some of those will go to FAs/trades. I've love to be able to keep Turang, Uribe, Robinson, and then Victor Castaneda, Justin Jarvis, Felix Valerio...probably in that order. I wonder if the 26th man roster spot and full season MiLB will increase the # of rule 5 players changing teams or if it will have little impact. I thought there was an increase last year, no? I haven't really followed it all that closely the past few years.
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I knew his two kids a bit through sports. Not the same school at Matt, but played on a couple teams with him coming up and became friends. Jerry was certainly invested in Matt's athletics and I think Melanie played Volleyball or something for a while, but she wasn't into sports. I'm like 99% sure they were twins, but I knew them at different times, but Matt was a smart kid. I THINK he became a Doctor. Last I saw him, he was in Med school volunteering for something. Mel got married and I know she's doing pretty well(or again, was, at this point, you go years between hearing/seeing from people). I always thought Jerry was a bit arrogant, but in retrospect...I just think he was a father who was busy, a bit on the stricter side and didn't like people who were friends with his daughter(never that there was anything along those lines). Good people.
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I knew his two kids a bit through sports. Not the same school at Matt, but played on a couple teams with him coming up and became friends. Jerry was certainly invested in Matt's athletics and I think Melanie played Volleyball or something for a while, but she wasn't into sports. I'm like 99% sure they were twins, but I knew them at different times, but Matt was a smart kid. I THINK he became a Doctor. Last I saw him, he was in Med school volunteering for something. Mel got married and I know she's doing pretty well(or again, was, at this point, you go years between hearing/seeing from people). I always thought Jerry was a bit arrogant, but in retrospect...I just think he was a father who was busy, a bit on the stricter side and didn't like people who were friends with his daughter(never that there was anything along those lines). Good people.
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Article: What Should the Brewers do With Luis Urías?
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I agree. I think the worst thing they could do with Turang is start him out not knowing if or where he's going to be playing. Better glove, I think he's got more offensive upside and he's 22 and the future. If they were both 22 and both in AAA...I guess it'd be a coin flip, but he's not. Adames to 3rd, Turang to SS and Urias to 2B would probably makes sense(Turang has a strong arm, so HIM playing 3B would also make sense) but you'd think the Brewers would have Turang playing some 3rd if that was the plan. That he's been playing some 2nd suggests to me they view him as an up the middle defender. -
Article: What Should the Brewers do With Luis Urías?
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I agree. I think the worst thing they could do with Turang is start him out not knowing if or where he's going to be playing. Better glove, I think he's got more offensive upside and he's 22 and the future. If they were both 22 and both in AAA...I guess it'd be a coin flip, but he's not. Adames to 3rd, Turang to SS and Urias to 2B would probably makes sense(Turang has a strong arm, so HIM playing 3B would also make sense) but you'd think the Brewers would have Turang playing some 3rd if that was the plan. That he's been playing some 2nd suggests to me they view him as an up the middle defender. -
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I agree, I think it was the back. After that shot to right though, I'm also hoping that back has some life left in it!- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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I agree, I think it was the back. After that shot to right though, I'm also hoping that back has some life left in it!- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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I'm inherently skeptical of the un-named sources in the industry when it's a Jeff Passan... That seems like too obvious of a thing to first start coming out 3 years after an injury that ended his second straight MVP season in a failed attempt to try and explain why he just feel off a cliff. I also have friends who work in or around the industry. One who works for Bally telling me Khris Middleton was coming back Gm 5 of the Celtics series, then telling me everyone on the team was questioning his toughness. I'm pretty sure that person just wasn't privy to that information at all because their job in no way is related to the health of the players. Now...that's not to say Tigeruppercut is wrong or that he doesn't know reputable people in the front offices of Major League Baseball(though it'd really have to be the Brewers or how would they know how hard he is or isn't working right now?)...I'll just say I take these types of insults with a grain of salt. You're really kinda insulting who he is as a man and as a person. So I need more than an anonymous person repeating what other anonymous people say before I'll put any credibility into that. With Sheets, we HEARD people questioning his lack of commitment to his conditioning. We saw a very different personality. I don't see that from Yelich. Again, doesn't mean it's not that...I just don't see it).- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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I'm inherently skeptical of the un-named sources in the industry when it's a Jeff Passan... That seems like too obvious of a thing to first start coming out 3 years after an injury that ended his second straight MVP season in a failed attempt to try and explain why he just feel off a cliff. I also have friends who work in or around the industry. One who works for Bally telling me Khris Middleton was coming back Gm 5 of the Celtics series, then telling me everyone on the team was questioning his toughness. I'm pretty sure that person just wasn't privy to that information at all because their job in no way is related to the health of the players. Now...that's not to say Tigeruppercut is wrong or that he doesn't know reputable people in the front offices of Major League Baseball(though it'd really have to be the Brewers or how would they know how hard he is or isn't working right now?)...I'll just say I take these types of insults with a grain of salt. You're really kinda insulting who he is as a man and as a person. So I need more than an anonymous person repeating what other anonymous people say before I'll put any credibility into that. With Sheets, we HEARD people questioning his lack of commitment to his conditioning. We saw a very different personality. I don't see that from Yelich. Again, doesn't mean it's not that...I just don't see it).- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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This is why I'm pretty confident that his injury has just been his back injury getting progressively worse. It was an issue when he was 25 years old. In 2020, it appeared he was still mostly the same player, just hitting into incredibly poor luck in a small sample size, but still hitting for power. 2021, more back issues, missing time. The power is gone and now....we are where we are.- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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Imagine THIS Christian Yelich is a FA. What's he going to get? MAYBE 2/20 with a 3rd year option. So 25M guaranteed. There's no WAY a team is taking back ~180M in contract obligations for a year and a half of Hader...who himself will cost ~17M next year. I really don't even want to think about what it'd cost to unload Yelich contract at this point. I'm pretty sure it'd be part of a Burnes/Woodruff trade and you'd still have to eat a pretty significant chunk and take a whole lot less back in terms of prospects. I think the best way to proceed is just...hope Yelich can figure something out. Maybe try something different with his back and then hope he can get going again in some way or just be happy with what you've got. The horse is out of the barn. Unless he suddenly figures it out, it's a sunken cost we've just got to deal with. It sucks, but the only way forward is to try and keep churning out young, talented, valuable controllable players. We can compete while paying Yelich 26M a year(22 and then deferred money)...it's just gonna be difficult.- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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But he didn't get paid 80M. He got paid ~65M. And it's 11.6 WAR per Bref 8.4 per Fangraphs We got pretty lucky he opted in before opting out in 2020 or we'd be on the hook for another year(likely why the Brewers were willing to wait to DFA him).- 55 replies
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Article: Yelich's Decline and the Brewers' Current Offense
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It sounds like he did try to acquire a few bats. Drury, Joc Peterson, Josh Bell and...even Joey Gallo(who I was not a particular fan of, but nonetheless). I wonder if the Reds weren't trying to tax the Brewers a bit to acquire a bat that fit so well as Drury did. It's hard to really form an opinion without knowing exactly what they wanted...but I will say I'm not a fan of trading away LA Bonus Babies before you really get a feel for what they can do. The chances you trade away a Tatis Jr(an example that's suddenly been made to look much worse, but I think the point remains) is very low, but...they still got a pretty highly regarded SS/2B who was in his first year of full season ball. Do you risk giving up a guy like Hedbert Perez with his upside? Even with the very long odds that he ever becomes a productive player? Would that even have been enough? I don't know. Stears seems more comfortable trading away players with higher floors and lower ceilings(Alex Binelas types for example). https://clutchpoints.com/rumor-the-2-former-all-star-hitters-that-the-brewers-looked-to-acquire-at-mlb-trade-deadline-revealed/ As for David Peralta and Tyler Naquin, sure. They could have provided...something. Both are really bad vs lefties, but have been able to hit righties a little. Pretty similar to Keston Hiura but lower strikeout rates.- 55 replies
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Yes. The Dodgers make a ton of money with ~400M in TV money each year. The Yankees make a ton of money with at least that, AND a whole helluva lot more in tickets revenue. I don't recall when it's been studied or reported that the Brewers are making a "ton" of money. Even still, that's not the reason they failed to get Drury, Bell...and I forget who the 3rd player they'd gone after but were unable to acquire at the deadline. Money wasn't the reason. It was almost certainly not wanting to give up the prospects that are the lifeblood of this team in order to get an impact player in return. Bell was part of the Soto deal, so as I said in another thread...I can't imagine the Nats holding a firm line there during negotiations and saying, 'well, if you don't want to include Bell, we can't do Hassell.' So that's just messy in trying to separate what it would have cost. Joey Gallo...who's been discussed here, cost the Dodgers a 50 FV type arm. I wanted a bat badly as well. I also did NOT want to see them give up Turang, the 3 OFers who are in AAA, Chourio or one of our top 2 pitching prospects(which they ended up doing anyway, though they got another back). So I've gotta ask, what was the trade they should have made? You don't just force a trade just to make at trade, right? Last year, Escobar was available, the Brewers went out and got him. Who was that player this year?- 55 replies
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Huh...I could have sworn I've seen people calling out David Stearns the last month on this site(at least it's felt like a month since the deadline). Yelich CERTAINLY gets called out. Who exactly is not "allowing" you to do this? They also paid Lo Cain 65M over 4 years and a week and got back 12 WAR. Not REALLY a "blunder," in my opinion. Edit-I'd also LOVE to go back to my much younger self, watching the Brewers trade away star player with seemingly no plan in place, losing 90-100 games a year...with a 20 year high being a 10 game winning streak that would come to an end vs the Reds that would bring the Brewers to the staggering heights of...58-75...I'd love to be able to tell him, "don't worry about it, in the future when the Brewers are slumping, they'll call 61-53 a "dumpster fire."- 55 replies
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I'd like to see Ecerg, Brown, Luna, Chirino, Monasterio, Walters and of course Harris back. But particularly Ecerg, Brown, Walters and Harris.
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