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Same. I'd be fine with just Vargas and then Miller, Stone, Pepiot and a couple of lower ranked arms. I suspect the Dodgers could care less about the rankings though and they're probably not the priority for the Brewers either. They probably value Ronan Kopp(for example) more than some much more highly rated prospects because of his spin rate. BUT for me, if you trade Burnes, just get back a few arms with high ceilings. And it ultimately likely won't be Miller, Stone, Pepiot, it'll be the guys in A ball and who we may have to wait a year or two. Otherwise, why trade for Burnes and Adames just to give away 30 years of control of highly ranked prospects? Regardless of the trade value chart?

The Atlanta Braves are building another dynasty doing just that. Anyway, as for the money...go back and read about the comments when players started making a million a year. Reggie White's contract was for...I THINK like 4/16M and it was a massive deal. Like the Aaron Judge of this off-season? And now Aaron Donald 30 years later has a 3/95M dollar guaranteed contract. With regard to Baseball players, they're underpaid if anything. Not Judge, Turner and the guys getting these 11 year deals, but on balance. NBA and NFL, they get ~50% of the revenue as mandated by their CBAs. MLB has gotten down to 38% in recent years. Yeah, it's obscene...and it'll continue as long as people obsess over it and watch it on TV...and legal sports betting sure hasn't hurt in that regard. The only reason it bothers me is because it kinda screws over my team. I'm fine with it in the NFL where my team doesn't have an owner and almost can't lose money in a season or the NBA where we have 3 billionaire owners and a salary cap. Otherwise, good for Trea Turner taking a billionaire's money to make a few hundred million, or Aaron Judge and good luck to Juan Soto getting closer to a billionaire than he is to broke on his next deal.

Seems like the biggest difference was he had better luck last year.

I don't think they have anything to do with Adames. They're Free Agents and Adames isn't. Lindor and Tatis both got 340 and 345. But there are only so many teams wiling to spend. The Giants are the obvious ones. Both LAA teams are in a holding pattern. The Dodgers need to wait and see if they've gotta pay Bauer 60M from the last two years which would be well over 100M with the tax. The Angels already have a bloated payroll and are in the process of selling. The Cubs aren't really spending, almost certainly not for a Correa. I expect a couple wild signings by the Giants and then...the Twins might be the dark horse for Dansby, but with their two top prospect being MLB SS's at the upper levels...I don't see why. Anyway, love Willy, but I don't think he's established himself in their league and I wouldn't pay him that type of money. If you can do that, you could take a run at Burnes who makes a lot more sense.

Dude...it's OWNED by the Padres...which contributes to THEIR revenue. They also own a big part of Petco...and large plots of land and real estate around the stadium. The team, not just the owner. And you're welcome. This has been covered...so many times on here. From the Soto trade to the Judge offer, you're gonna have to go back and read the extended version if you want a more detailed lesson. Also, wouldn't "education lesson" be redundant unless I was explaining how they come up with curriculum in schools or something along those lines?

Well...it's virtually impossible to know what their baseball revenues are, those are estimates, but the Padres real estate is what is giving them a MASSIVE edge compared to the Brewers. We've talked about this at length a few times, but the Padres opened their books a few years ago to show the money they were paying just in loans. It was enough to pay another MLB payroll. Pads fans were furious when they saw their revenue...and the ownership group promised when they were clear and refinanced the insanely bad deals they inherited and then paid them down, they'd spend on the team. Their revenue is not on the same planet as the Brewers and it's not just because the owner is worth 3B. It's because the Padres generate a lot of money they don't have to disclose from...that real estate.

A Billion if you wanna include Machado who could very easily be a SS in another timeline and came up as an elite defensive SS. Tatis-340 Machado-300 Bogaerts-280 Kim 28M That's nearly a billion dollars So I guess they move Kim to 2B? Crownwnworth is their 1B. Gives them a pretty good defense...I think? I don't know who the hell plays where, but it's definitely a good lineup. Just a MASSIVE overpay. Again, I'll reiterate, if you were willing to go here for Xander, what would Correa have cost? Couldn't be that much more, right? Also, they reportedly offered 400M over 10 years to Judge. I wonder if they turn their attention now to Soto's extension?

The Padres are in a totally different situation from the Brewers, Cleveland, KC, Pitt... They've got far more sources of revenue...and again, charge about 4X on average for a ticket to Petco. But also...yes, it'd be nice to have an owner who was worth 3B, not 600-700M. I don't think the Pads spending tells us anything about mid market team as they're an outlier as a mid-market team.

11 years and 280M to Xander Bogaerts later... This is like Monopoly money to this team at this point. How are they doing this?

WHAT? LOL...why? 11 and 280? Correa better stop sitting around! Another contract going through age 41(or 42 actually). What did Correa cost? Because that feels like it was worth it if you were gonna spend that much money. That's just stupid money...and I think he's a stud. Is this protection against Machado opting out?

This is a common refrain, but it's also kinda silly. He's also a Rex Ryan guy who learned defense from Buddy Ryan who coached the two most dominant defenses in the 80s, the Bears and those Eagles teams. You're simply talking about a starting point. They really run the 3-4 and that's about it. I don't love the 4-3 and think Minnesota wasted a guy like Barr who was projected to be an elite edge rusher...better than Mack by some and in the same class, but I loved about Zimmer was you never knew where the rush was coming from. He'd mug the A gaps with Barr and Kendricks and they'd peal off and send Harrison Smith they'd come up the A gaps and leave the OTs on an island...whatever. But that's the same thing Leonhard does that Pettine and Barry don't. The 49ers..the Buccs, they do. Who are the stars in the NFL from Wisconsin under Leonhard? Chenel is miscast as a 4-3 LBer in KC and hasn't played. Sandborn is a stud...but that's about it. Yet he had the #1 defense over a 5 year period in all of CFB. And yes, he got the doors blown off by OSU a few times. He also beat Michigan by dominating them defensively despite them having 4-5 stars all through their WRer depth chart(and TE). He's more aggressive but he's not stupid. So I'd say a better, smarter Greg Williams. Greg Williams without the ego is who he reminds me of. You're mostly just going to get another re-tread or a unproven hire. Maybe a guy like Vic Fangio...who is a good DC. You're basically dealing with a ideology that is bend but don't break. His cover 6 scheme is great at eliminating the top WRers, but it's also not new and the deep crossing routes that have been killing us this year. AND...Fangio also has ties to Pettine. These guys all work together. But Leonhard has been running his own team with NFL principles for a while now...and the gap between the schemes in the NFL and the top FBS schools narrows with each year. Also, Leonhard is going to get the most of our our DBs...at the very least.

College fans don't like any of their coaches unless they're winning a title...and especially in the SEC, you need to win. So that's not all that telling to me. They didn't like Getsy either, did they? I'm not saying he is a good coach. I don't watch nearly enough UNC, Ole Miss to know what their scheme was(I did watch them quite a bit when the two Miss teams were ranked #1). What fan bases don't want their HCs fired? 'Bama doesn't want College Jesus fired(though it's trending that way after this unmitigated disaster of a season in which they finished out of the CFP). Kirby is safe in UGA. And all the others are on the hot seat. Oh, Heupel probably bought himself maybe a year or two. You can win a National Title, have a down year when you graduate your entire team and then get fired and still made to finish out the year like Ed Orgeron down at LSU. The SEC is ruthless.

Well...he'd previously said the only job he'd consider leaving Wisconsin for(when he was the UW DC) was the Packers DC job. Presumably he doesn't want to totally uproot his family, but I also think he's pretty ambitious and he's only 38. I'd guess he ends up at Nebraska, but he's also been nothing if not unpredictable. The GB job seemed obvious. It also seemed obvious to bail on UW, but he took days to weigh it despite being "blindsided" by the Fickell hire. He still put the time in to talk to the players and put them at ease after meeting with Fickell. I guess that just shows his loyalty to the program...which if he wants to coach one day, WW probably isn't the best next step. But sure, he could just want a quit life. He was pretty open about wanting that UW job though. And $ matters for most people. It's clearly not his driving force, but that'd be a pretty steep haircut for him. The GB DC makes 1.5. UWW HC is around 100K(though I'm sure they'd dig quite a bit deeper if he was serious). Leonhard earned ~9M in the NFL. That's a lot of money, but when you could still do what you love and make well over a Million a year. I've also got a pretty good rooting interest here though.

I'd be stunned. There's absolutely nothing wrong with D3 of course, but you're talking about a guy who's turned down some premiere jobs. The number of people on Twitter who think Packers fans only want him because he's a UW guy is amazing though.

I don't know, it's only December 7th and they were willing to hand out a massive deal to Judge. I'm skeptical they're not going to add anyone else...but we'll see.

That's insane...and it's even crazier when you consider some of the trades they've made where they've gotten a little lucky. Like Tatis Jr, Crownenworth. It's just hard to believe Preller still has a job. I get that the Padres are in a good spot now, but he has made so many blunders both trading for bad contracts, signing bad deals like the Uptons, Kemp, Hosmer, trading away so much talent, ling about a pitchers health costing them Luis Castillo. I'd say he needs to win it by the time Soto is a FA, but...he's gotten away with so many bad deals already, who knows.

I get that of course as the Red Sox have slashed their payroll from time to time and are now getting pretty thrifty with some of their star players they hadn't in the past, presumably for that exact reason. And it makes sense they were trying to stay below it to avoid the progressive penalties. The Bucks desperately tried to do that the year they won the title in the NBA which has a somewhat similar system with a progressive tax(though that damn Jrue Holiday helped them win the title which triggered a 100K bonus and put them into the tax). I just thought they were working to stay below it as a rule. Being in on a player who's getting an abnormally risky deal due to the history of players his size in MLB History on a contract that could push them not just over the tax, but into the 2nd or even 3rd tier(by the time they're done)...it's just surprising.

I don't really understand what revenue sharing teams means at this point. You read part of the 2018 CBA and it was all the teams that didn't go over the tax. It also says the Athletics were being phased out of the teams in the revenue sharing recipients and now they're back in that group. It seems like it has to mean different standards with regard to which teams are part of the 48% of revenue that gets divided up vs which teams get the competitive balance picks, but the MLB CBA is not all that clear to me. The NFL and NBAs is a lot more straight forward. The rules with the local TV deals and how much each team has to pay from their own deals and how it's impacted by the "risk" they take...it's a lot to sift through.

The ownership group opened up the books(which backfired at the time) in maybe 2018 or so and tried to explain why they weren't spending. They were in a bad place with the interest on the debt they inherited and they were also paying off a lot of real-estate loans. They stated at that time, their plan was to get on better financial footing and then put that money toward the team. It hasn't really worked out all that well...and they'd be SO much better off right now if they actually had ran their team like the Brewers or a smaller market team given the closers they traded away. Clause was one, they traded away a couple other dominant relievers that would be cheap right now. Guys like France, Turner and then the ridiculous haul last year. They're doing a great job churning out MLB quality players, but they're just trading them for high priced players or players who will require big extensions. IIRC, the ticket prices at Petco are also about 4X what they are at Miller Park...so that's gotta help quite a bit. I still don't get how a team that needed the Brewers to take back Lamet last year to stay under the luxury tax...can come back and make a competitive offer for Aaron Judge, but good for them.

Yeah...that really is and it kinda went off the rails for me. I do think we probably get into the playoffs with Hader and that using WAR for a reliever over less than 2 months is not really reflective of their actual value. Hader bounced back, he was dominant for them down the stretch, you could pencil him into the 9th and he'd shut down the other team. You're basically looking at a couple blowups(Which we had as well). If you put Hader back into the pen with Williams in the 8th and Box/Cousins and whoever in the 7th, I think we do win more than 87 games. I also don't really care at this point and I think there's a lot of effort to minimize Gasser and Ruiz. Gasser had a stretch where he struggled with control in AAA? Yeah...most pitching prospects do. I don't think the Padres can say they "fixed" Hader. You take a guy who had a Burnes like 2020 and turn him around and you "fixed" him. Someone who had a couple of blowup's for the Brewers had just that...a couple of blowups.

I totally agree. I was really confident he was gonna be back each of the last two years...I have absolutely no idea what happens to him after this year. I have this site on my phone, "Wisconsin Heroics" I think...and it's terrible, but they're usually good in that they don't make up quotes. Gutekunst said Bakhtiari's future would be an "off-season discussion." He also talks about how hard it is to find elite LTs, etc...etc...but that could be a clue. You're not saving less than 6M and eating 23M and getting rid of Bakh if you're bringing Rodgers back, right? Maybe he's just being honest and saying "we're not worried about it now," and the Love comment was more calculated because he's a young QB and confidence is so important and you don't want to do anything to undermine it. As for the Titans, I don't think you'd have to take Tannehill back. This would all be done post June 1st technically. Tannehill has 16M in dead cap space, Rodgers would have a 15M dollar cap hit. If it's post June 1, they could split that Tannehill hit up. I'd trade him to the Rams or the 49ers though TBH. I don't care. It wouldn't be like trading Favre to me. I wouldn't have ill will. It's just time for both sides to move on and I'd root for him(I enjoyed Paul Allen's "This is not Detroit man, this is the Super Bowl," screech like few other things in life). I was just trying to pick a team that seems like they're close, that has a later 1st round pick which I think is about as much value as he has at this point and he bought land in Tennessee and so I threw them out. Maybe they're not a good fit.

Ahh...got it. Can't just be "I was wrong, you never said that," without being a smart ass? Cool. And if I'm the "only" one you see "vouching for the debate at hand," you REALLY might wanna hire me for some English lessons and we can work on your reading comprehension. So now, these SS's who have been great at SS who it's been a nightmare for defensively moving to 3B? Any line on those?

Where does my first paragraph suggest I'd do this so Turang would...hit better? It's amazing in those English papers you've read, you still didn't catch that the ENTIRE point would be to help the defense. Yeah, but it really does. If you can play SS and you have a strong arm, it pretty much always means you'll be able to play 3B at a high level. But who are the great defensive SS's who've moved to 3B that this has been a "nightmare" for?

That's a great idea. One of those healthy meal services for a couple months? I don't think I'd be able to pull off the 20 freezer meals myself...she's a little...picky about what she'll eat. So she could pick out what the meals are. I could make it for the month she's expecting and then the next month or two.

Still really hope they make another offer to him. I think he could do so much with the players we've got on this defense. Barry is about as creative as...a not creative person(he doesn't deserve a clever analogy). Packers hire Leonhard, reunite him with Benton in the 4th round...and then that's it. That's all the former Badgers I want on this team at the moment(Chenel would be a really good fit as he is a better fit as an edge, but with KC picking him in the 2nd last year, I doubt they'd do anything...even though they've kinda wasted him this year).