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Is there any proof of that? That seems...kinda ridiculous. As I pointed out, I could package Tyrone Taylor and Jason Alexander and I'm at close to the same value that you get with Joey Wiemer and Rodriguez and...Jansen. Does anyone think the Jays would take such a deal? These values seem all over the place. I guess even if they use it, it seems like PFF and NFL Front offices that refer to that. I would doubt they put much stock in it. As for Jansen...I don't see anything to suggest he slowed down. I don't know how to really put stock into a catcher who hasn't had to play everyday, but it clearly wasn't a fluke month. If anything, he was very unlucky in the 1st half.

Yeah, I completely reject that argument. We've seen too many times the inferior teams winning. Teams just getting hot and going on a run. The "they weren't going anywhere anyway," is an entirely flawed argument. You throw two aces, two elite relievers and then piece the other games together with Peralta, Lauer, Houser, Ashby(who maybe has a breakout post-season).

Yeah, that was just bad. It also points to the trades that fell through, but...JAKE MCGEE! That was infuriating. It's not even like he'd have solved our problems, it was just an asinine move to deal away the guy with a lot of upside as a potential BP arm. You roll the dice on talent like that over Jake McGee who was clearly no longer effective. I'm alright with not dumping Suter...if people are talking about blowing up chemistry, Suter getting DFA'd wouldn't help. Jake McGee and...I don't recall who else, but there seemed to be another obvious choice. Someone else going to the 60 day perhaps? Topa or...whatever. They should have found a way to keep Lamet.

That and Bush+Rogers would give you a deeper pen(and Rosenthal). And then it just seemed like Boxberger, Bush, Rogers and even Williams a couple times would take turns blowing leads. Very small, narrow leads as we played a lot of close games, but...still. And then also, as Attanasio said, there was a trade(s) that fell apart that they thought they would be able to complete.

I honestly couldn't get past, "Ruiz was washed up until this year." So at 22 he was...washed up. Yeah, that tracks.

LOL...he reminds you of Will Inman? How so exactly? And Ruiz is blocked? Because we've got good OFers? Good...left handed hitting OFers? Is Wiemer also blocked? Hey, lets just not draft any OFers for...IDK, I guess 3-4 years. Why bring a guy into the system who is..."blocked." We definitely don't need guys who can hit left handed pitching on this team. Nah, we have a surplus of that!

Is this a bit or do you really think Daniel Sterns is our GM and we got "nothing" in return? That Gasser in particular, but Gasser and Ruiz are "nothing?" That...just can't be serious.

I thought Ashby did maintain his rookie status this year? By what measurement did he not?

I really thought I was the only one dumbfounded by the Lindblom thing. Even when he got hit around at the big league level, you could see how much movement he had. He seemed to improve his control and with his movement, at least offered the potential for a couple of good outings. The potential for blowup's as well, but...that's what we were getting already. It's almost like, "well, if we're paying him over 3M a year, at least he's going to help OUR AAA team and we're not going to call him up, just to DFA him if it doesn't work out." I would hope that wasn't the logic, but it's hard to figure out what else it'd be.

I really thought I was the only one dumbfounded by the Lindblom thing. Even when he got hit around at the big league level, you could see how much movement he had. He seemed to improve his control and with his movement, at least offered the potential for a couple of good outings. The potential for blowup's as well, but...that's what we were getting already. It's almost like, "well, if we're paying him over 3M a year, at least he's going to help OUR AAA team and we're not going to call him up, just to DFA him if it doesn't work out." I would hope that wasn't the logic, but it's hard to figure out what else it'd be.

25 would almost certainly get it done I'd think...but it's just so hard to track this sometimes. Castillo is a good Woodruff comp and he's obviously using that. Castillo signed a very team friendly deal though. The Bonilla trade was made so the Mets could go out and get another player. They failed to trade for Griffey Jr, then traded for Mike Hampton and won the NL, got David Wright as their comp pick and they ended up making out well. Bonilla end's up coming out on top as he turns ~5.8M into 30M. We don't add anyone in this trade and it seems entirely unrealistic. The Brewers should aim for a balance between the A's/Rays and Braves/Cards-That was not intended to rhyme. But lock up young talent early if possible, if not, you DO have to trade most of it. I can see one extension...and I don't see why Adames would sign for 5 years 67.5, but...it's not totally insulting. I'd offer 5/125 and then 5/110 for Burnes and Woodruff and maybe player options for 30M with 5M buyouts. I really don't know what each player is thinking, and I've been pretty vocal about wanting to retain at least one of the two pitchers. Both and Adames is...a little fantastical. Though, somehow still more likely than moving a 35 year old Braun to SS or Frelick now to SS.

My problem is Jansen is a career .212/.298/.396 before having a nice partial season last year. I don't know he really is a big offensive upgrade. 2022 version of him, sure.

I kinda agree. Jansen was good in 248 PAs last year, but for his career, he's 98 WRC+. He's a nice catcher...I don't want to give up Wiemer for him. I'd honestly rather run it back with Omar...provided he was cheap. He had a solid walk rate last year, few Ks and his BABIP was .248, over 50 points below his career line. Wiemer may very well be a bust(they might all...obviously). But his tools are so impressive, I'd rather roll the dice and take 6 years of him and then I'm not sure what Carlos Rodriquez that is. CF is certainly more appealing than the RHPer. Garcia is a lotto ticket I like but wouldn't object to. I guess I just don't see it. Jansen had success last year despite an also low BABIP...though his career number is actually .239 and last year he was .255...which may mean he's due to have a HUGE year, but it's just not a move I'd like to see.

If we stay healthy, Ingles could be an ENORMOUS pickup for us. His style of play, his skill set, all of it suits what we need perfectly. And he's somehow always been a good defender despite not being the most explosive athlete. I think Carter can also play a much bigger role. I was excited they brought him back. Especially vs certain teams, he could play a very big role(GSW for example). Equally as important, his minutes in the regular season, taking minutes of Holiday's plate while picking up the defense, with 2 of the big 3 getting older, the more important that becomes. I also think Nwora will get more than garbage time. Bucks could have saved a whole lot of money by letting him walk, but they're spending ~11 million this year to keep him. Maybe it's to help match salaries in a potential trade and add a little upside, but with Middleton and Ingles on the shelf to start the year, I could see 25+MPG for him. I also want to see Ibaka and if he looks any better a year further removed from the back surgery. Maybe he's a little more mobile, add something to the defensive end? Probably optimistic, but bringing him back was a big of a surprise. Outside of Ingles, no major questions with this team. I'd like to see Giannis workload lightened as well as Jrue and Middleton, but the Owners have REALLY committed to this team. That 100K bonus Jrue got the year they won the Title is going to hurt that much more this year with the repeater tax now kicking in, but...there hasn't been a move we haven't made yet because we couldn't afford it. No 1st round pick this year as NO has it straight up, so I'll say 58 wins, 2nd seed to Cleveland and I think our biggest threats will be Cleveland with all their length, Boston and...the Nets. Too much talent. They should be the prohibitive favorites AGAIN with their talent, but Simmons won't even shoot in the pre-season, so that still seems to be an issue.

Yeah, trash move by Draymond. Nice punch...vs a guy you have about 6 inches and 60 pounds on. And it's not like Poole was in his face, he just didn't back down.

Yeah...there are a lot of trades that end up one sided, but not many that are so obviously one sided from day one. That Archer trade is as close as I can think of. Two young major leaguers with big upside who were both highly rated prospects and then Baz who had a live arm. The other ones turned out bad, but Arrieta had a ERA of ~5.50 with Baltimore...who can't seem to turn a elite pitching prospect into an elite pitcher despite having a number of them in the last ~decade. Dylan Bundy, Matusz, Gausman. Yelly, we gave up highly rated prospects at least. All busts, none of them did anything for the Marlins, but at least you can say they got prospects back. The Marlins probably weren't getting much more back for Yelich. But the Rockies? With the money they paid up front and then the money to mitigate the potential he didn't work...and they got not one blue chip prospect for him. The Montreal-Cleveland trade was worse, but at least is was done in order to try to win. The Arenado trade didn't net the Rockies prospects AND they didn't save money. Either way, the Cards are an average team if not for those two gifts from the NL West...but at least they went out and were aggressive. And we can take some solace in knowing the Cards traded two aces for Ozuna when they sent Alcantra and Gallen.

They progressively started to get smart...didn't tell the best players until they retired and then their intellect peaked 20 years ago? But sure, it's...an "element of my religion." My religion is apparently observing area's the Brewers had issues with that...we're not supposed to talk about? That tracks!

They progressively started to get smart...didn't tell the best players until they retired and then their intellect peaked 20 years ago? But sure, it's...an "element of my religion." My religion is apparently observing area's the Brewers had issues with that...we're not supposed to talk about? That tracks!

MLB K rate has jumped from 8% in just the past 8 years, but I think you nailed it. I don't think anyone decided it was "smarter" to not play situational baseball. In fact...again, Kolten Wong talked about how he liked the "freedom" he had in Milwaukee that he DIDN'T have in St Louis. How he was expected to shorten up with 2 strikes in STL. Feels like these are kinda the reasons people are excited about Frelick in particular, but also Mitchell, Black, Ruiz. Because we've had SUCH a stagnant offense. One that goes station to station. That DOESN'T mean that was our only problem this year or the main problem this year...but it was a problem that all came to a head when we couldn't get a runner in from 2nd in a must win elimination game in back to back extra innings.

MLB K rate has jumped from 8% in just the past 8 years, but I think you nailed it. I don't think anyone decided it was "smarter" to not play situational baseball. In fact...again, Kolten Wong talked about how he liked the "freedom" he had in Milwaukee that he DIDN'T have in St Louis. How he was expected to shorten up with 2 strikes in STL. Feels like these are kinda the reasons people are excited about Frelick in particular, but also Mitchell, Black, Ruiz. Because we've had SUCH a stagnant offense. One that goes station to station. That DOESN'T mean that was our only problem this year or the main problem this year...but it was a problem that all came to a head when we couldn't get a runner in from 2nd in a must win elimination game in back to back extra innings.

This is exactly it. It's as much situational awareness, baseball intelligence, call it what you want, as anything else. A HR in the 2nd inning with a man on 2nd base is great, a strikeout...it's just an out at that point. Not being able to get a runner in from 2nd with 0 outs and your season on the line in back to back innings...kinda summed up our season. It wasn't just one problem, it was several problems. As for Ruiz at 2B, I have no idea what he looks like there. I haven't watched him. But I do know he's pretty clearly our 5th rated OF prospect and we've have pretty successful teams with Ricky Weeks and Keston Hiura at 2B. I don't think it's a crazy idea to get Ruiz some games at 2B if he's in Nashville to start the year. But again, I'm not pretending to know definitively if he can be a viable option to occasionally at 2B or not. Tough to do without...again, actually seeing him play it, but it'd be nice if it was at least an option.

Kiiinda the point. You think it's ludicrous or based on a cursory reading of scouting reports from 2019, you think he probably can't play 2B? Do YOU think that based on anything you've seen or are you just telling everyone what readily available scouting reports have said about him not having soft hands. SD played him at 2B up until 2020 when they were planning on playing Abrams at SS and Rosario at 2B on the same AA team while also having Tatis Jr and Crowenworth at the MLB level. They had the ROY runner up and a generational talent they paid 340M to playing up the middle with two elite prospects on the same team as Ruiz. So your observations that people can't talk about seeing if Ruiz can play 2B come from...scouting reports that are a couple years old that pretty much sound like Chase Utley or Jeff Kent's? And he probably can't/won't play 2B, but it ain't just "Ryan Braun to SS, Sal Frelick to 3B."

The past 50 years, huh? LOL...no, I don't have a choice. Batters and hitting coaches haven't gotten "more stupid," and eschewed "shortening," and putting the ball in place with less than 2 outs. Where are you getting that from? You realize not every team is all or nothing like the Brewers, right? That guys like Boggs, Gwynn, Altuve, Ichiro, Jeter...I mean, countless others, they all played in this time period as well? The same time period when pitching has improved with deeper bullpen, more platoon matchup's, and a dozen other reasons, but when exactly was this conscious decision made that we're going to swing for the fences with 2 strikes, lets than 2 out and RISP? I missed that Memo? But thank you for telling me what my little league coach told me in Little League doesn't apply?

The past 50 years, huh? LOL...no, I don't have a choice. Batters and hitting coaches haven't gotten "more stupid," and eschewed "shortening," and putting the ball in place with less than 2 outs. Where are you getting that from? You realize not every team is all or nothing like the Brewers, right? That guys like Boggs, Gwynn, Altuve, Ichiro, Jeter...I mean, countless others, they all played in this time period as well? The same time period when pitching has improved with deeper bullpen, more platoon matchup's, and a dozen other reasons, but when exactly was this conscious decision made that we're going to swing for the fences with 2 strikes, lets than 2 out and RISP? I missed that Memo? But thank you for telling me what my little league coach told me in Little League doesn't apply?

This Arenado deal just annoys me. He'll opt out just because...why not. The Rockies are either paying him 20M or if he doesn't opt out they're paying 20M to the Cards. Edit-I take it back. He'll opt IN because just to stick it to the Rockies anyway. The Cards, who want to re-sign him and HOPE he doesn't opt out, they get 20M more if he opts in. So they work out a deal, he opts in, they extend his deal. Give him another 20M the final year of the current deal and then maybe an option year with a 15M buyout. You agree to give him another 35, only 15 of that comes out of your own pocket, so why not? They already paid 50M, let the Rockies pay 20 more. So the Cards got him for 3 prospects who are STILL in the low levels of the minors and not in the Rockies top 30, a 1B/DH who's a nice bat, but hardly anything special, and then a pitcher who's about the same age as Houser...but across the board just worse. But SURELY for that deal, the Cards were expected to eat that whole salary, right? Oh...that's right, the Rockies paid 50M toward the salary, PLUS another 20 that goes toward the Cards if he opts in and 20 to Arenado if he opts out. So it was effectively a 7 year 109M dollar deal for a 3B who was on a HOF trajectory who'd shown ZERO signs of slowing down. How does this trade manifest? Do you just call up and offer something stupid? Do we offer 3 prospects outside of our top 30, a pitcher, MAYBE Lauer and then say...Xavier Warren for Austin Riley with the Braves kicking in about 90M to pay for his salary moving forward. I'm SURE the Braves would take that phone call very seriously? Is Nolan Arenado to the Cards the worst trade in the last 20 years?