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I think the Yankees make a whole lot of sense. Cashman is up and there have been rumors he may be gone. They can just trade Volpe and Dominguez and he can take Stearns! He gets a MASSIVE payroll, he gets a team that's...really not in bad shape with regard to future guaranteed contracts(for the Yankees...crippling for the Brewers). Cole has a player option coming up for 36M and Stanton is owed 32, LaMehaiu for 15 and then Hicks for ~9M. Throw in Judge who'll be making ~40 and they've got a very good farm system with up the middle talent that could kick over to 3rd if need be and he has payroll flexibility and he can actually go out and has the resources to win a World Series.

It's pretty unlikely it'd be "significant compensation," but if there are a couple of 19 year olds with a nice FB but who are raw and undeveloped, I'd gladly take them. The Cubs got back 3, Xander Boegarts brother(who'd performed very well at IIRC age 18 in the DSL) and a 19 year old pitcher who, along with a 26 year old reliever subsequently tore their UCLs and required TJ surgery. So just a couple of low level guys would be nice...I suspect he'll just be here the rest of the year and then leave.

It's pretty unlikely it'd be "significant compensation," but if there are a couple of 19 year olds with a nice FB but who are raw and undeveloped, I'd gladly take them. The Cubs got back 3, Xander Boegarts brother(who'd performed very well at IIRC age 18 in the DSL) and a 19 year old pitcher who, along with a 26 year old reliever subsequently tore their UCLs and required TJ surgery. So just a couple of low level guys would be nice...I suspect he'll just be here the rest of the year and then leave.

That seems like a very fair deal. Obviously I'd start a little lower(5/100, TO@30 5M buyout). Maybe with Reynaud's he's more inclined to sign a deal ensuring 9 figures right now. I know it's not the topic, but I'd make a similar deal to Burnes, just tack on about 3M a year before turning to Woodruff(so 5/125, maybe some escalator options). But...as that's not likely to happen, I'd be happy locking Woodruff up the next 5yrs...and I have no concerns about it being into his early 30s. I'm not really sure why that's such a big concern. He's a guy who's got a big frame, good mechanics, we haven't abused him, he's thrown ~1200IP the last 11 years. The injuries he's had have been minor(and oblique at one point, an ankle and then a disease that's apparently not a big concern when treated). Of course with pitchers, the risk of injury comes with all of them, but I feel as good with Woodruff or Burnes as I would just about anyone else. As far as concerns about the salary, that's always going to be an issue with the Brewers, but revenue is going up and this will be a young team. And if you can't sign either(or Willy) then that's fine too. It's not like a QB or a franchise player in the NBA. We'll reload, hopefully keep developing pitchers after turning Burnes/Woody/Adames into some elite prospects.

That seems like a very fair deal. Obviously I'd start a little lower(5/100, TO@30 5M buyout). Maybe with Reynaud's he's more inclined to sign a deal ensuring 9 figures right now. I know it's not the topic, but I'd make a similar deal to Burnes, just tack on about 3M a year before turning to Woodruff(so 5/125, maybe some escalator options). But...as that's not likely to happen, I'd be happy locking Woodruff up the next 5yrs...and I have no concerns about it being into his early 30s. I'm not really sure why that's such a big concern. He's a guy who's got a big frame, good mechanics, we haven't abused him, he's thrown ~1200IP the last 11 years. The injuries he's had have been minor(and oblique at one point, an ankle and then a disease that's apparently not a big concern when treated). Of course with pitchers, the risk of injury comes with all of them, but I feel as good with Woodruff or Burnes as I would just about anyone else. As far as concerns about the salary, that's always going to be an issue with the Brewers, but revenue is going up and this will be a young team. And if you can't sign either(or Willy) then that's fine too. It's not like a QB or a franchise player in the NBA. We'll reload, hopefully keep developing pitchers after turning Burnes/Woody/Adames into some elite prospects.

It's literally public record. Molitor for instance, was introduced to the drug by....teammates. You think that takes inside information? Have you REALLY never heard of this? Here is all my "inside" info. https://sites.google.com/site/brettbushthesis/chapter-4/discussion-of-the-research-questions-1/2-who-in-major-league-baseball-history-is-considered-a-scandalous-player/2-who-in-major-league-baseball-history-is-considered-a-scandalous-player-b-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/drug-cocaine-scandals 40% per Keith Hernandez(another known cocaine user). Testified to under oath. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061218-drugs-why-is-cocaine-viewed-differently-than-steroids-in-major-league-baseball https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sports-suspensions-drugs-mlb-scandal 21 players suspended just in 1986 as a result of the "Pittsburgh Cocaine Trials."

It's literally public record. Molitor for instance, was introduced to the drug by....teammates. You think that takes inside information? Have you REALLY never heard of this? Here is all my "inside" info. https://sites.google.com/site/brettbushthesis/chapter-4/discussion-of-the-research-questions-1/2-who-in-major-league-baseball-history-is-considered-a-scandalous-player/2-who-in-major-league-baseball-history-is-considered-a-scandalous-player-b-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/drug-cocaine-scandals 40% per Keith Hernandez(another known cocaine user). Testified to under oath. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061218-drugs-why-is-cocaine-viewed-differently-than-steroids-in-major-league-baseball https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sports-suspensions-drugs-mlb-scandal 21 players suspended just in 1986 as a result of the "Pittsburgh Cocaine Trials."

I think this is my favorite one thus far. I think you might be a little high on one or a little low on another, but all certainly in the ballpark and we have no idea what players will actually sign for. I go back and forth with the pitchers. That deal is basically buying out Woody's FA years at just shy of 30M AAV...which seems like it should be closer to a Burnes type deal at the moment. I also think the longer we wait, the more ridiculous these pitchers contracts will be. I won't be the least bit surprised to hear deGrom signed for 3/140. Maybe 130...but I think he's going to shatter the AAV on a short deal. Verlander, I think Trevor Bauer's contract(and that's the ONLY comp I'm making) is the starting point. ~3/105. So when you still control a player for two years, you're taking on risk and the player should be giving something up. Not sure Woodruff(or Burnes) would be giving enough up to sign at this point, but I also think the market for true ACES is going to get thrown out of whack this year a little bit. So get it done quickly or it's less likely to get done. Beyond that, of all the Brewers OFers I'd like to give up, it's Ruiz and then Mitchell. And with their need in RF, he could certainly fill that need. Jansen is a near perfect bridge to Quero(ideally). And a massive upgrade right now. Robert Suarez-I do not understand why he's a FA, but I think that's a very reasonable deal. 2 years/18M and then maybe a 3-4M if the option isn't picked up? Abreu-I'm not sure I'd go 3/55.5 for him, but I have said since early this season he should be the Brewers top FA target. I thought 3/45 would be in the range given his age and the fact that not many teams need 1B. All for the Baltimore trade. I think it's very likely don't want to part with Grayson Rodriguez, OR they'd require a period to negotiate with Burnes for their own extension before trading for him, but it's obviously just a template. Vargas, Bobby Miller and Stone or Jung, Owen White and Cole Wynn. If one team isn't willing to pay, you move on. But the takeaway from that was a MLB ready corner IFer and a couple of talented arms...right? That's a more than fair starting point. The IMPORTANT point here is that you're rebuilding the BP with a variety of different arms, but some very valuable high leverage arms. And the Brewers would have Uribe, Ecerg could be ready, Gasser...but not ready for the opening day roster. I also think with just a small tweak Matt Bush could become just dominant. The rotation takes a massive hit, but hopefully better health, a young phenom and the BP make up for that. And the lineup is rounded out very well. Now....how do you feel about the Brewers paying Willy Adames 5 million a year from 2030-2090? Because...if you're cool with that...I think you need to go back and make a slight adjustment!

They can go after Burnes and then sign him to an extension. As you say, they have the money. And as Brewerfan82 said, it's a starting point. But it's a reasonable starting point. Castillo signing a below market deal doesn't mean Woodruff will as well. He went from Cincy to Seattle and he loved it, so he signed. Woodruff is YOUNGER than Castillo, but it's a mater of months. It's irrelevant. Castillo just signed a team friendly deal and that's probably a good starting point with Woodruff, but it's unlikely he signs that same deal.

No, I think he's right. The GM specifically stated after this trade deadline, they were going to devote significant resources into competing...that they think their window is opening. I do think there's a very good chance they go after the top arms on the market(I don't think they sign deGrom or Verlander, but Rodon is certainly in play for them). Their only real salary commitments this year are Chris Davis. Money he's owed from his buyout and his deferred compensation. And...so is Bobby Bonilla. In one of the other deferred deals that doesn't get talked about, Bobby Bo gets 500K a year from the O's. Nothing like Bruce Sutter getting ~50M from the Braves for the 9.1M dollar contract he signed(just getting paid off in the last year or so with a final balloon payment of...9.1M after getting 1.2M since 1990). But that's all beside the point. The POINT is that Baltimore is clearly at the point where they've accumulated the talent, they were quasi competitive this year, and they've still got a loaded farm system. They're going to be going all in. I DON'T think they'll actually give up Grayson Rodriguez+Westburg+Johnson...but that's GOT to be the Brewers starting point. Maybe the Brewers need to throw someone into that deal. Maybe it's an OF prospect(they need a RFer, so if you had to throw in...Mitchell hypothetically, you could tweak that trade). But I don't think that's unreasonable.

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I think one of the main points to remember is that...Stearns is leaving his position as POBO, but he leaves this team well stocked and we'll be reaping the benefits...hopefully of Jackson Chourio, Sal Frelick, Jeferson Quero...hopefully Gasser and Ruiz and so on and so on will be coming up over the next 3-4 years. So hopefully he'll have left us with the foundation of a young core of offensive players. But this is definitely the most important aspect. We've spent YEARS trying to develop just one stud. We had a guy here or there having various levels of success over the last 30-some years from Cal Eldred's incredible run in 1992 to Ben Sheets having a couple of great years, Yo was a really good, solid, reliable pitcher for a long time...but to develop Burnes, Woodruff, Hader, Williams, to get the most out Chacin, to kinda re-ignite Wade Miley's career, Corey Knebel...I'm still not sure what this pitching school consists of exactly. I know the analytics have played a significant role in it...helping pitchers figure out which pitchers to throw more and which to scrap, whatever it was, it's turned the Brewers into one of the best teams at developing pitching...and he again, he leaves us in pretty good shape with Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta, Lauer, Ashby, Houser in our rotation with Gasser and Small expected to contribute.

I think one of the main points to remember is that...Stearns is leaving his position as POBO, but he leaves this team well stocked and we'll be reaping the benefits...hopefully of Jackson Chourio, Sal Frelick, Jeferson Quero...hopefully Gasser and Ruiz and so on and so on will be coming up over the next 3-4 years. So hopefully he'll have left us with the foundation of a young core of offensive players. But this is definitely the most important aspect. We've spent YEARS trying to develop just one stud. We had a guy here or there having various levels of success over the last 30-some years from Cal Eldred's incredible run in 1992 to Ben Sheets having a couple of great years, Yo was a really good, solid, reliable pitcher for a long time...but to develop Burnes, Woodruff, Hader, Williams, to get the most out Chacin, to kinda re-ignite Wade Miley's career, Corey Knebel...I'm still not sure what this pitching school consists of exactly. I know the analytics have played a significant role in it...helping pitchers figure out which pitchers to throw more and which to scrap, whatever it was, it's turned the Brewers into one of the best teams at developing pitching...and he again, he leaves us in pretty good shape with Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta, Lauer, Ashby, Houser in our rotation with Gasser and Small expected to contribute.

Seems like a tacky thing to bring up now...and I'm not sure I understand what a "cocaine playboy," means exactly. Cocaine was widespread in the 1970s and 1980s and used by...MANY players...seems like a strange issue to bring up in 2022. Point is that's regarded by MOST fans are the era with the Brewers only two home grown HOFers who were the best and the 2nd best players on the Brewers lone World Series team and he started his career as a 21 year old in 1978 and through this period, he had a 23.9 WAR. Yeah. Cooper was great as well. I don't think anyone said otherwise...but I'd be willing to be the vast majority of Brewers fans remember that as the Yount/Molitor Brewers.

Seems like a tacky thing to bring up now...and I'm not sure I understand what a "cocaine playboy," means exactly. Cocaine was widespread in the 1970s and 1980s and used by...MANY players...seems like a strange issue to bring up in 2022. Point is that's regarded by MOST fans are the era with the Brewers only two home grown HOFers who were the best and the 2nd best players on the Brewers lone World Series team and he started his career as a 21 year old in 1978 and through this period, he had a 23.9 WAR. Yeah. Cooper was great as well. I don't think anyone said otherwise...but I'd be willing to be the vast majority of Brewers fans remember that as the Yount/Molitor Brewers.

I think if you extended Adames long term, he'd likely be far more inclined to slide over and play 3rd. 3B should become even more important of a position defensively with the new shift rules. The SS is still going to be playing right behind 2B and the 3B closer to where the SS plays when they're straight up. The problem...while I do think he's more of the 2021 slash line when the BABIP is normalized, position players like Adames tend to get much longer deals. 8 years would be my guess at this point...whereas pitchers are generally a bit shorter. I'd give Willy a f ~5/80, see how it goes(but I'd also offer Burnes and then Woodruff deals first). See how they all turn out. If you could get Burnes, then you let the season playout, see where you're at with the other two. More likely than not, it'd be Woody or Adames...and at least you'd get a massive return for the first two.

I think if you extended Adames long term, he'd likely be far more inclined to slide over and play 3rd. 3B should become even more important of a position defensively with the new shift rules. The SS is still going to be playing right behind 2B and the 3B closer to where the SS plays when they're straight up. The problem...while I do think he's more of the 2021 slash line when the BABIP is normalized, position players like Adames tend to get much longer deals. 8 years would be my guess at this point...whereas pitchers are generally a bit shorter. I'd give Willy a f ~5/80, see how it goes(but I'd also offer Burnes and then Woodruff deals first). See how they all turn out. If you could get Burnes, then you let the season playout, see where you're at with the other two. More likely than not, it'd be Woody or Adames...and at least you'd get a massive return for the first two.

I'd argue deferring 135M that doesn't actually improve this team right now is a...bad idea.

Again...the people laughing at the Mets are doing so without a good reason. In THAT situation, it worked out well. Mets go to a World Series and they end up with David Wright as compensation for the player they got with the savings from the Bonilla deferred compensation. This also isn't even REMOTELY similar to Bobby Bonilla's deal. The Mets had Bobby Bonilla ALREADY on the books. They traded away a nearly 6M dollar contract to go out and add an ace who was the NLCS MVP and pitched them to the World Series. A guy coming off a 22-4 season 2.90 ERA ~6.7 WAR season in which he was a Cy Young runner up. The Brewers are deferring 90M here and they're not getting anything for it. Deferring 90M is more like the Nationals with Scherzer or Strausburg making it make less sense here than Bonilla. In this scenario, the Brewers just blow out the future for no actual upgrade over last year. Why would we do that?

That is...surprising and incredibly impressive. I didn't realize he was that disciplined of a hitter. Some of the quickest hands I've ever seen and the obvious comp when Rickie Weeks came along. Seems to me like both sides handled this situation poorly...and the 20 year old phenom is generally going to be the one who ends up looking bad. I know there were accusations of him faking an injury after playing poorly, then being sent down...playing poorly there and then him insisting his foot was in fact hurt, then later realizing they'd missed a fracture in his foot. 30 years ago now, so assigning blame is kinda pointless.With that said...I still harbor a great deal of resentment to Bando for ruining my childhood and forcing Molitor out of Milwaukee! I don't know if that should actually be in blue.

That is...surprising and incredibly impressive. I didn't realize he was that disciplined of a hitter. Some of the quickest hands I've ever seen and the obvious comp when Rickie Weeks came along. Seems to me like both sides handled this situation poorly...and the 20 year old phenom is generally going to be the one who ends up looking bad. I know there were accusations of him faking an injury after playing poorly, then being sent down...playing poorly there and then him insisting his foot was in fact hurt, then later realizing they'd missed a fracture in his foot. 30 years ago now, so assigning blame is kinda pointless.With that said...I still harbor a great deal of resentment to Bando for ruining my childhood and forcing Molitor out of Milwaukee! I don't know if that should actually be in blue.

A tank job unlike any other? No...I don't think it would be. I also don't think they'd lose 100 games if you took Burnes and Adames out and replaced them with that group. Though it likely wouldn't be competitive in 2023. Either way, definitely not a tank job.

Even after you graduate a lot of the players, IF you made this Dodgers trade, you're still looking at a loaded system the following year. Chourio, Quero, Black, Misioroski, Avina, Brown Jr and then Cartaya could be a top 10 along with Chourio, I expect Quero in the top ~40 or so next year. The biggest problem is the Dodgers just aren't Padres like desperate. I think this is one of those trades that's equal on the trade machines and...makes sense in a vacuum, but I don't see the Dodgers giving up...possibly 36+ years of pretty premium quality prospects for 4 years of Adames and Burnes collectively and then what kinda amounts to throw in's with Feliciano and Taylor. Maybe we go back to the Padres. They continue to draft well and have Merrill, Lysko, Snelling and some other nice talent STILL(as much as I like the Brewers recent drafted philosophy, I'd like to see them get a little more aggressive with young arms). But again, as much as I want to see this team add a bat and run it back next year with their core, some smaller tweaks and our young guys, I don't think I could pass on that particular trade if the Dodgers were willing to. But when they can realistically spend ~300M on payroll, I think it's more likely they would go out and add a couple of those TOR arms like deGrom, Verlander, Rodon(or or two of those players) as well as either re-signing Turner or maybe they sign another SS. Correa would make a lot of sense for them given his age and productivity(plus I believe his tools will age better as Turner's speed is so vital and if he has to move off SS, it'd likely be to 2B or even the OF whereas I think Correa would make a GG 3B with his hands, range(even if diminished) and arm. No half measures though. If you're going to bring this squad back, go out and make a serious offer to Abreu. We've heard Attanasio talk about how they could fit ANY player or trade into the budget, not just this year, but the next 2-3 years. So instead of adding Soto and giving up equal value in prospects(which we lacked) then go after Abreu and push that payroll into the ~140-150 range...which I believe is still a reasonable range with the increasing revenue across the league.

LOL...I can't read. I don't know why I just saw Burnes, Taylor and Feliciano. OK then...that's actually a pretty plausible return for the two then. Walker Buehler, SP Diego Cartaya, C (AAA-MLB) Miguel Vargas, 3B-1B-OF Ryan Pepiot, SP Michael Grove, SP (stash in Nashville) Bobby Miller, SP (stash in Nashville) Maddux Bruns, SP (start in A or A+) If you're actually gonna re-load, that's a whoole lot of talent. This would be a mix of that 2018 staff with a deep, deep BP and a couple of TOR arms(if you kept Woodruff-in which case, this trade actually makes more sense to me). Gonna gut the offense, BUT, if you could fit Busch in there? Turang is hardly a sure thing at SS offensively, but if you can at least put Vargas, Busch on that IF, you'd have a deep, young team. Who knows what the staff will look like, but they'd at least be able to grow with our young position prospects. You're going to piss the fan base off quite a bit, but it could be intriguing in 2024. Woodruff Buehler Miller Peralta Pepiot Ashby(or swap him and Gasser and he actually could be a potential Hader like multi-inning reliever). C-Cartaya/Quero 1B-Busch 2B-Vargas SS-Turang 3B-Black LF-Frelick CF-Mitchell RF-Wiemer DH-Yelich BP-Williams Uribe Grove Stone Gasser That's like a 70M payroll, you keep an anchor in your rotation and you've got some players to potentially flip for position prospects. Buehler for instance, get him healthy and he's an ace. So you either try and give him a Glasnow type extension(probably on the low end) or you flip him as well. Lauer, Urias, Tellez. 2023 would be an interesting year. Potentially the top Farm System in the game, a lot of growing pains, but it'd get interesting after that. I'd be handing out Braves like extensions like Bobbleheads(to those who'd take them). Interesting idea anyway.