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Agreed, this feels like a completely rhetorical question and I'm only really entertaining this for the discussion, but the chances the Brewers go after Trout and take on that 37M a year is not 0%, but it's pretty close. I approach all of these as just entertainment. Even if you could trade Yelich for Trout, I suspect the Brewers wouldn't make that trade.
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Game 1: Packers @ Da Bears - Sunday, September 10th 3:25 PM
BrewerFan replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Other Sports
I have seen the numbers by actual position...but that might have been when I still had the PFF subscription(which...I think ~200 a year, not really worth it). Slaton though, his snap count was fairly consistent all year long. He was playing ~20 snaps early in the year and then it obviously varied by game(if the other team is passing a lot or if we're in sub packages). Example, he played 19 total vs Chicago and the Rams in weeks 13/14 when we had a lead, he got 25 vs the Giants when they were running the ball more regularly in week 5. His lowest snap counts coincided with the other teams passing. Week 3 he played just 20% of the snaps because Tampa threw the ball 42 times and only ran it 12 times, once on a sneak with Brady, once on an end around. So they were in 3 WRer sets constantly, we played primarily sub packages. It's more relevant to the scheme you're playing with your DL. The DL doesn't HAVE to change their gap depending on the play call. Pettine wanted more penetration from his DL, Barry came from a scheme where that was what they played, in GB, he's playing more 2 gap and they're just shifting their DL based on the offense. Wyatt goes from a 3 to a 5 if he's on the strong side and the OLBer lines up on the outside of the TE and the NT lines up accordingly. I don't think you need to do that, especially in a 3-4 with 2 off-ball backers on the field the majority of the time. In LA, Barry played with a DL with a 0, 2 4i DEs and then two OLBers and just played it straight up and he did that his first year in GB. You let your DL try to get into the backfield and disrupt the play. I understand why when you had Lancaster, Lowry, I don't think we need to do that with our personnel. So under Barry, yes, it does matter on the play call because of the scheme up front. So I don't disagree with your premise here, but it's the coaches job to put them in the BEST situation to have success. I guess I'd agree then, he's not the pro-bowler people talk him up to be. He's never been a Chris Jones type talent. But he IS a PB caliber player when you put him in the right position. When you put Jaire last year in soft coverage and his PFF grade was 60-something through the first half of the year, was he not an elite pro-bowl caliber player that people talk him up as? I guess not really, but when you let him play to his strengths, that defense excelled. And this isn't a whole schematic shift. I actually think it fits your defense better. Wyatt is just ideally made to be a penetrating DE(for that matter, Brooks and Wooden). Slaton and Ford...they're not. They're 2 gap players. So it's just in MY opinion about tweaking the way you play them and I think Clark would play much better. There's no doubt, the best players are the ones who can adjust to any scheme. I think Nick Bosa would be fine as a 5 tech or 9 tech in a 43, JJ Watt would have excelled as a 3 tech or as a 9 like he played MOST often in Texas...Aaron Donald, doesn't matter. Clark isn't that. But few are. He'll still make some plays as a DE, in sub packages, but he's not going to dominate. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just an old 28 year old and you're seeing a similar career arc to Cobb(sans the injuries) and he's just come into the league as a 20 year old and he's wearing down. Maybe playing him fewer snaps would help as well. I'll just argue I think he made the whole defense better when he was put right in the middle of that defense, allowed to penetrate and blow the plays up. As they've moved away from that, his performance has dropped. The defense is playing well, but I think that'd be the case either way with the talent around Clark at all 3 levels. -
Same here. Ok...I saw someone else say they'd learned to not comment on this guys articles, but I don't pay attention that closely. The worst articles I've seen have kinda been scattered in almost a Bleacher Report type of way with some wild speculation, but some of those people have also written great articles. Clancy for example. Some of them are a bit...ridiculous(I swear if I hear a Bobby Bonilla type deferred payment again I'll lose my mind, it's a sign he fundamentally doesn't understand that arrangement and a Stephen Strausburg type payment would make much more sense)...but not trying to throw shade his way I just think some are...unlikely like he's incentivized to see how many he can throw out. But I do remember a couple from a "Cubs fan," that seemed really out of touch with the Brewers. But I think the broader points Matt makes in his articles have been good(this one is not, it makes very little sense and I'm not following any of it).
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I wasn't talking about anyone else's money, I was saying I'd rather still be carrying a mortgage(on the investment property) and have taken the extra 8K a month and put that into an investment fund that very likely(in retrospect absolutely) would have grown at a much higher rate than the interest I was paying. That's hindsight though. But I'd do that moving forward. Talking about your own home, while it's an investment, it's an entirely different mindset. I wish I'd have done things differently as this is exclusively an investment. Your home is your home. I understand why you'd want to get that paid off. Especially when you pay 70% up front. I bought my home a few years later, I just had to wait, so I may take some of that and "invest" it into a house to help my Sister out while the interest rates are so high, but if I move forward with the original agreement, I'm probably just going to put that money into a a couple different smaller investments. If I move forward with the cash offer, then I'm going to take out another mortgage and re-invest into a building with more units. I'm about 90% sure I won't be going through with the owner financing as they came back today with this...ABSURD ask in the contract that they be allowed to take a loan out on the property before paying it off. That'd mean I'm in the secondary position on the title and if they defaulted, I'd assume that risk....and obvious non-starter. So at this point, they either drop that or we go with another buyer. They led off with a request for no penalties for early payment...which obviously I'd have no problem with and then dropped that in my lap like it was a reasonable request. I don't know if they were just testing us or what, but it's just an outlandish ask. As for the capital gains, yeah, that's not gonna be fun, but how I handle that will depend on what we decide to do next and what the sale ends up being, but the 15% has already been accounted for. That is the larger part of the question, anyone have any recommendations on what they'd invest in. I like taking this out and hearing different suggestions when it comes to investments. Again, if not another property, I'm thinking ~20% to my Dad just to...do whatever he wants, 60% into a Vanguard gen fund that is relatively safe and HAS been pretty consistently seeing 7% returns and then the rest into more specific, individual companies or stocks.
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No, not of Merchandising. Jersey sales and such is all put into a pot and divided equally among teams. My understanding is merchandise sold in their individual team stores and...maybe online they get a larger percentage of, but I'm not even sure about those details. That'd likely be what goes into the 48% pool that's split up; As for the sale of MLB.tv technology, that was 900M and 30M went to each individual team, but that's a one year payout that already took place and I really doubt would be factored in to a contract like Trout's even if it was 90M. It's still a one time payment. I'm not saying Philly couldn't handle it, just that the sale of his merchandise isn't going to be a factor. Ticket sales, TV rights when they renegotiate them, I'm sure those would go up if he went back to Philly. But that contract and the luxury tax payments aren't going to be covered by the merchandising. https://ballarelife.com/do-mlb-players-get-paid-for-jersey-sales/
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I think you're WILDLY understating what he did for the the Brewers and how he rebuilt this entire organizations philosophy. From Latin America to developing pitching to even being aggressive. The "unspent prospect capital." Who? My biggest problem with any specific move he made was trading Reece Olson for Norris, but lets not act like we had this just elite farm system that we could have used to go get star players until THIS YEAR. And those players were the result of Stearns and the scouting and development programs that started under his watch. So guys like Ashby, Wiemer, Turang, Mitchell, I guess Frelick the last 2 years. Is he replaceable? Yeah, sure, because the infrastructure is still there and the philosophy. But blaming him for not being able to take the '19 Brewers team and take another step, do we forget what happened? Our all world MVP Christian Yelich got hurt and Corbin Burnes had one of the worst years by a starting pitcher, in a long time and we STILL made a Sept push. That team that we played, they also saw their MVP fall off a cliff and had pitchers just collapse or have unexpected incidents come up in Bellinger, Bauer and plenty of others. They also spent another 160M dollars and were able to go out and get a guy like Betts and trade for Trea Turner and Max Scherzer and whoever the hell else they want. I'm not crying over the loss of Stearns, but again, it's because we have Arnold and a whlole system in place. He's set us up for future success and Arnold has proven he's capable of taking over. I'm a little worried that he could poach personnel that's important, but everyone's poached the Rays and they're still consistently churning out elite prospects and competitive teams, so there's no reason the Brewers can't.
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I'd guess you'd move him to LF, have him DH as often as possible and when he is in the OF, you have one of the young CFers out there? And then on top of that, I guess you tell him to just ease up a bit on the bases as the Yanks have done with Stanton. There are things I'd imagine he'd be able to do that sounds kinda overly simple, but maybe ALWAYS being such a great athlete, he hasn't felt the need to stretch or do yoga or take those extra precautions that you see a guy like LeBron or others take. I feel like his injuries are a little bit...not exaggerated as he's clearly missed time, that's easy to quantify, but not necessarily predictive of the future. He missed 139 games on a bad calf strain that can lead to an Achilles injury. We just saw Rodgers injury and there was a Dr on Twitter talking about how a weakened calf can lead to a higher potential for calf strains, but even when KD hurt his, it was coming off a calf injury. So that was most of '21. Then this year he gets hit with a pitch and breaks his hamate bone. That's just a brutal injury for a hitter to overcome. That's the overwhelming number of games he's missed from those two injuries. He's also 32 and despite his greatness, if I was actually running a team(particularly one in which he's going to account for at least 20% of the payroll) I wouldn't go with my "feeling" on that and I don't see any reasonable scenario in which the Brewers trade for him. The Angels HAVE to know Ohtani is not coming back at this point to even start talking about something this stupid, right? Are they just this poorly run? Leaking for no discernible reason other than covering their rear that they offered Ohtani an MRI on his elbow and he declined and now with Ohtani coming into FA and them desperate to retain him just casually throwing it out there, "hey, we'll trade the most accomplished player still playing if asks us." Everything we hear as Packers fans about only winning two SBs with two HOF QBs, that organization has somehow failed to make the playoffs but once in a decade despite having the modern day Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth on their club. So I get wanting to tear it all down, but why show your hand in early Sept? Are they hiring Rockies executives now or what?
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Game 1: Packers @ Da Bears - Sunday, September 10th 3:25 PM
BrewerFan replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Other Sports
You can go by just pure snap count at a position and I'm sure we could find that if we both tried, but even that can be a bit of a vague grouping. JJ Watt for example, he was playing in a 3-4 and he would line up as a wide 9. So he's coming off the edge a majority of the time(which is extremely rare in the 34, but just an example). But I'm talking about in the base defense, lining up as a 0 tech. Head up over the Center. I'm going off memory here as I can't find the exact number right now, but it was a very small number of snaps as a true NT. I think it was 16% as a NT and even among those, they were primarily as a 2i so inside the Guard's shoulder between the Guard and Center. I think it was 55 snaps he played as a true 0 tech and that's where he's always been at his best. Every year of his career a breakdown of snaps by position will have him playing DE primarily, so even the his best years he was lining up at DE more because he's always been our best pass rusher for a DL. I just want to see him back playing heads up over the center where he can blow the plays up. A guy like Myers is too slow for him, guys like Whitehair or Bradbury are to small for him and with his head RIGHT over the Football, he was firing off the line and just wrecking plays. -
Too soon? I don't know...there are a LOT of Packers fans really up on their soap box yelling...into the void at Packers fans who are disappointed because they won't be getting a 1st round pick now because "a mans health is at stake!" Not for me. It sucks and it's sad for him and I certainly wasn't rooting for it, but I have a little trouble mustering the emotional response(again, back to Twitter, I saw grown men talking about how they couldn't talk about it without tearing up!) others have. He's not the only guy to tear his Achilles that DAY! So I thought it was funny. As for the Vikes OL, I guess I didn't realize how bad it was. I knew they had two really good OTs in O'Neil and Darrisaw. I thought Bradburry was alright and then seemed like Ingram and their other guard...he was a 2nd rd pick 2-3 years ago. I thought they'd finally built him a decent OL. My heart breaks for the Vikings to find out they can't hold up!😏
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Of course he is, but on this one, I tend to believe the tweet, that he had expressed SOME level of concern. A huge part of his career has been built on off-script plays. When you're cutting like that, you're just trying to get the DE's arms down so they can't knock down the pass. I guess my question would be, if this was a concern, why were they still doing it? The OC is Hackett. It's not like Rodgers is going to have an issue with running the plays the way he wants it run. But it's also something you didn't see in the Packers offenses. Last year when we had two plays from the Giants 2 yardline, you didn't see the OTs cutting the DEs on those quick passes. It's all kinda moot now, but after he gets hit on the first pass attempt, probably not a great idea to ask your 38 year old LT to come back to it right away.
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I didn't see the Vikings game, but if the Tampa front was abusing the Vikings OL...yeah, Philly is going to just tee-off on them. Jevon Carter looks like a superstar, but they've got speed on the edges and Jordan Davis, Cox is still a nice rotational player. Philly is the blueprint that smart teams are following. They control both sides of the LOS. We saw how much easier that makes the game for Love and how it makes it impossible for Fields. Cousins could definitely be in for a blood bath!
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Ok...I was making a point how easily they can create a massive amount of cap space while doing the bare minimum. By taking base salaries and converting them into bonuses and cutting an older, overpaid MLBer. They don't HAVE to do any of that. I was showing you how clean their cap is and how Rodgers injury, while it crushes their short term chances of winning, it isn't devastating for them long term. Worst case scenario, they've got a big cap hit in 2 years(After this one)for Rodgers that they probably split up over 2 years with a void year. That's before Gardner, Wilson and their young players really start getting expensive. I also wouldn't say Rodgers is carrying a huge contract. It's a 3 year 75M dollar deal. Burrows just signed a 5 year 275M deal(which means Herbert probably gets 5 years 280M and then Mahomes restructures and he gets more money). Obviously Rodgers injury is devastating for the Jets. That much moreso if he doesn't come back from the Achilles as he has said he plans on doing...but their cap is still very healthy.
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I don't think the Phillies would see a whole lot of money from merchandising. The revenue is divided among the teams with the team keeping more or maybe even all of what is sold IN stadium, but my understanding is that all officially licensed merchandise is equally distributed among teams. I'm sure Trout coming back to Philly would drive a ton of excitement, but I don't know that his merchandising would make much of a dent into his remaining money on the books.
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Game 1: Packers @ Da Bears - Sunday, September 10th 3:25 PM
BrewerFan replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Other Sports
I agree with all of this. The separation, the stupid cards...but they did the same with Mahomes, Lawrence, Watson(I think Clemson did that). Rodgers Tedford system hurt him. It's up to the coaches to develop them in the NFL. I would be confident if we'd have gotten Justin Fields as a rookie and he'd have sat and learned with Tom Clements...I think he'd be a really nice NFL QB. The Bears have done their best to ruin him and far as I can tell, little to help him. Just that Browns game the first year, he got abused so badly, that's awful for a rookie QB. I'll reiterate, I just hope they give Fields one more year before trying to move on because I do not want to see Caleb Williams in the NFCN! Edit-But you're right, the gimmicky offenses don't help nearly as much as playing in a pro-style offense. -
I wonder why this isn't a HUGE talking point now? And I get Rodgers position on this one. Even if he got...a bit tiresome with some of his stuff, I think they should have(and did) value his intake on what he was comfortable with. Two plays, two times they tried to cut and two times he was hit. 4 snaps and his career may be over and the Packers lose a 1st(which I've been told is just unacceptable to talk about because he's injured, but that was always going to be the case. If he stayed healthy, he'd have gotten to 65%).
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Yeah...again, they can still only take the ONE executive. They can't just throw endless piles of cash at the Brewers executives and take them all. There are rules, this has been explained to you.
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So what? Lets say this is true. What difference does it make? Are doing the "he said he was stepping back because he wanted to spend time with family and now he's taking another job and so he was lying?" The "spend time with family," is the most vague and irrelevant statement Coaches or GMs make when they step away. Even athletes at times. Who cares what the mechanism was for him to spend it with his family, a forced year off or a year he chose to take off? And he DID choose to take it off. He could have gotten paid 5.5 MILLION(not insignificant) to be an advisor for the Brewers this year and he turned it down. So fine. Attanasio just didn't let him. He has a principled view on giving young executives their first opportunity and then not allow them to leave their contracts early when a big market comes along. He also pays them commensurate with other very highly paid executives. I don't get how this furthers any conversation though.
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That seems fair. I remember a compilation of McCarthy and all his brilliant play calls(this was in rebuttal to the argument that he'd become vanilla and carried by Rodgers). And it really kinda surprised me. There were plays with Cobbs and Adams in the backfield with one running an angle route and one running a wheel route and then Nelson and whomever else on the outside. That one stands out, but there were a lot of more specific examples. This was when he got the job with the Cowboys. I don't think this is an indictment on Rodgers personally...his results speak for themselves, but I think it shows that MLF is a more capable play caller and McCarthy probably caught a bit too much heat for us.
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It is wild that Musgrave is in that group given how good those guys played. I don't think we saw a fraction of what Musgrave is capable of(other than getting open and beating coverage) and he still thinks Musgrave is a guy who's got "it." I think he dealt with a lot of nerves and he's going to get MUCH better. I think those two plays where they had a shot on a TD if he keeps his feet...I think they'll convert those type of plays in the future! Reed was the best from what I could see yesterday, but I wasn't really spending time specifically watching his blocking save for a few plays. So that's...wildly encouraging. So close to 3 catches, 2 TDs and over 100 yards.
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Well...he can take ONE. And it's not going to be Arnold, we know that already. So...worst case, ONE. One player. I do not agree with this. The Mets are in a good position right now as they decided to sell off at the deadline. They have a very good farm system, they're young, still have a nice core and his "not good at spending money," is the product of what? Cain and I guess Yelich? Cain signed for a similar deal as Marte did and that hardly puts a dent into the Mets finances. Yelich wasn't a great signing, but he was coming off 2 back to back MVP caliber seasons and I don't think you can blame him for that. Beyond those two he went after Yu Darvish hard and reportedly offered a contract that at least was comparable to the Cubs, he just had very little interest in coming here. That's proven to be a good deal. Small market "errors," and Cohen market errors are two wildly different things. The Mets have probably spent more on 10 players last 2 years than the Brewers have ever paid a player in a single year(or close to it). And now he's not going to have to be sifting through Free Agency dumpster diving hoping he can come up with a little pile of copper, he's going to be able to shop wherever he wants. He can add the Brewers entire payroll in free agency this year PLUS probably Ohtani and still be fine and within their payroll. I think it will be very similar to Friedman in the Dodgers. I DON'T know that it'll be enough to beat the Braves in the short term as they've just built such a massive stable of horses who are locked up for their entire primes and given themselves room to just focus on pitching(primarily).
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Dude...EVERYBODY saw this coming. That was NEVER the issue. You had these bizarre and ridiculous ideas that he was in communication with the Mets and that he was sabotaging the Brewers front office and that he COULDN'T BE TRUSTED. The Mets asked 3 times for permission to speak to him. It was the worst kept secret in sports that he was likely to end up there. You don't get to do a "told you so," for THAT, when you predicted so much more beyond that, that was just objectively ridiculous. You couldn't count on him to act in the Brewers best interest because he wanted to go to New York...and as I pointed out then, if he was REALLY just doing whatever it took to get to the Mets, then he wouldn't have traded Hader, he'd have traded our best young prospects to give us a chance to get to the NLCS so he could have left a year earlier. I'll also add, you made the inference MANY times that the Brewers don't pay their front office well(despite numerous reports to the contrary) and yet they offered Stearns 5.5M to just stick around and be a part time consultant to the Brewers...rather than just effectively taking the year off. That's a pretty healthy figure for a guy they're NOT paying to be GM or POBO or director of anything, just to be a consultant.
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Game 1: Packers @ Da Bears - Sunday, September 10th 3:25 PM
BrewerFan replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Other Sports
He's definitely an old 27(he'll be 28 in a month). And he's generally played his best ball in November/December. But he's also dominated Whitehair and guys like Bradburry in early season matchups in the past. But I think that's accurate. Even if he doesn't make the big splash plays, he's certainly got value and is a very important member of this defense. I don't want my posts to suggest I think otherwise. But it's more of a dependable veteran leader who has really good instincts and now the top 3-5 IDL that he was ranked for much of his career. I'm just still hoping for more from him as a penetrator, or someone who can collapse the pocket. Maybe those days are gone, maybe he'll again have a late season resurgence. I'm pretty convinced that it's due to him playing out of position, but I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong. -
Game 1: Packers @ Da Bears - Sunday, September 10th 3:25 PM
BrewerFan replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Other Sports
It's possible he's just fallen off, but last year was the first year he didn't play NT. There was a stretch of games under Pettine...I don't recall if it was 2019 or 2020 where they experimented with him at the DE. They thought it'd free him up more to be more of a penetrator, but it was the worst FB he played. Then he came back and finished the year on a tear and then they didn't move him until last year because they had Slaton and again they thought this was best for Clark. MAYBE it's the case that he's just fallen off, but it's kinda hard to know without seeing him getting snaps over the Center. He's definitely not a Wyatt type of athlete. He doesn't have that type of 1st step, BUT he's so good with his hands and he has a good first step, combined with the Center obviously being the easiest position as they've got to snap the ball and then come up, that he just made Centers look bad. It allowed him to beat Double teams at times, and just wreck plays. Slaton does his job fine. He's a two gap DL who doesn't get moved, but that's all you're having Clark doing right now anyway. I don't think Barry is going to bother to even try and move Clark back and I think it's GREATLY eroding his value. But, sure, if we've got others who are playing well and the front is getting the job done, we don't need that version of Clark. I'd just say that Bears OL was bad except for Wright. So I hope they can keep that up. Moving forward though, you really might as well move on from Clark(in '24 or '25) if you're going to use him this way, OR if you've decided his play has dropped off, as you can find other guys who can do what he does and they will not come with a ~28M cap hit. -
I don't think you can blame this one on the turf at all. I know they're going to(and if that leads to all grass, then good). But Rodgers ankle was under him, it wasn't stuck because of the field, it was stuck because of the weight coming down on him.

