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Game 8: Packers @ Jaguars - Sunday, Oct 27th at 12:00PM
BrewerFan replied to HarryDoyle's topic in Other Sports
And the kicker they've got was one of the best in the league last year, he's been an AP... Not exactly like a rookie, but...just Jets like stuff going on. If he was as good as he was last year, they're probably...5-3? Rodgers has thrown 3 picks late in games they could have won. I get why Saleh is without a job though! Definitely his fault... -
They are...but Daniels is...pretty clearly the much better player at this point. The Bears have started with one of the easiest schedules for a Rookie QB you could have. This was the toughest game...so points for that, but Williams plays sloppy and undisciplined. He's clearly got an incredibly talented arm and he's elusive, but their coaching is just...moronic. Two straight QB draws before the 4th and 3 PI was called on a ball in the EZ that Allen likely isn't getting to? Most of the best young teams go with an offensive-minded coach to help their QB out. Williams isn't getting that. They did build up the weapons around him though.
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AHAHAHA!!! Same here! Especially after that Hail Marry!
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Which team is the most dysfunctional right now? I don't think any team is in worse position than the Saints, 82M over the cap and...they just keep signing guys like Chase Young for 1 year 13M type deals and then 4 void years. The Jets-They have drafted multiple QBs in the top 5, then trade for Rodgers. They hit on a bunch of picks, have a ton of talent all over but turn everything over to Rodgers and...somehow suck. 10 All Pros on that team. Or the Browns. The team that appeared to be on it's way to finally breaking through, were a little up and down with Baker, but went and traded for Watson...which would have made perfect sense ~15 months earlier when everyone wanted him, but they did it after he sat for a year(and then 11 more games) and are basically just running out the clock until they can get his dead cap low enough to eat it...by which time, most of the great young talent they had, Myles Garrett for example, they'll have been completely wasted. Panthers-Went all in on a year there were no "sure" things at QB and handed the Bears the tools to finally get it right?
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I don't know if they will. There are two weeks left and they're not a contender...but I'm looking at it from the Vikings perspective. They'd be giving up a lot of draft assets, they'd be sitting (edit-McCarthy) another 2-3 years, cap would be blown up, they'd have 2 5th rd picks this year(total) and they'd have to give up more the following year. The Rams have 2 weeks. If they keep him, fine. They're missing an opportunity in my opinion since they're not good and Stafford, Cupp, any other veterans...I'd say Noteboom, but he and two other starters are on IR. The team is half-old, half young and really not good. The Thursday Night game, they're flukey. 11th best record in the NFC tied with 3 teams and SF and AZ are both better...IMO and the Seattle game is right before the deadline. It probably won't happen, but they probably should and it'd cripple Minnesota, so I'll root for it.
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I mostly agree with this. I think Darrisaw is huge for that team and a really good young OT and a huge loss for Minnesota. He's not a Sewell type OT, but closer to a Zach Tom. I see the parallels to the 13-4 season, but this team has looked much better this year. I throw out the TNF games... I just don't know what Sam Darnold really is. They still have the 4 teams the Bears were lucky to get to start the season. That was the NFLs way of helping Caleb Williams since their coaches aren't exactly developing QBs like Tom Clements. So that helped them ease in and the Vikings still get to see those teams. Great coaching staff. Detroit is really good, but without their starting DEs, unless they make a huge move and add a DE, the loss of Hutchinson is just too big. Chicago is not there yet, Caleb looks much better, but that's been a soft schedule. Packers seem like they're in a really good situation right now. DL got some pressure last week, even if it was scheme rather than just beating their man, that should get better. Lloyd and Musgrave coming back give the Packers more options, Wicks, Doubs are playing better. Not a single complete game and they just beat a 5-1 team with two turnovers inside the ~10-15 and they still pulled it out. I think they're going to just round into form and they'll take off.
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There were just comments about Darnold getting 50M in Free Agency, now...they'll replace him with Stafford! I think I'd actually be for that. They've got 3 picks in this upcoming draft, a 1 and 2 5ths. They picked JJ McCarthy...who is really hard to evaluate(he's tough, athletic, but didn't throw much). But they'd almost certainly have to start with 2 1sts, right? That seems to be the standard for a starting QB of his caliber...and then probably a couple more day 2 picks. Is Stafford that big of an upgrade over what Darnold has done to leave them without 1sts for '25 and '26 and then just 6-7 picks total those two years?
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Yeah, the Arenado deal made far less sense than this would make for the Rockies. The Rockies don't operate under any type of coherent strategy. But, McMahon's problem are the stark contrast between Coors and the Road. .265/.340/.474 with an .814 OPS at home .220/.306/.367 and .673 OPS on the road Good BABIP at home. 335. But just under .300 on the road, so it's not like it's poor luck. Are we paying 3 years and 44M for a .673 OPS? Or even if you split the difference. .240/.325/.425? Even at that price is that worth 12/16/16 million per year? But now you're giving away Tyler Black, probably our best MLB ready trade chip AND the player I want to give up even less, Abner Uribe. Uribe has dominant, All-Star closer type upside. He's gotta grow up a bit and he needs to throw more strikes, but to be able to slide Megill into the closers role and have a guy like Uribe who can come in and put out the fires like Megill did, that's invaluable. Or be a lock down closer himself. This dude is a HEAVY GB pitcher who throws 103-104 at times, his slider is upper 90s and he's got a 60-grade slider. And yet...his value is low due to an emotionally immature outburst last year and a suspension that...I believe he'd have worked his way back by June, but he had a meniscus tear. So between the contract, the talent we're giving up and the home/road splits, they'd have to eat a big chunk of that deal...IMO.
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Dude...I got to see this team win a Title...I got to see Giannis and now I get to see Dame healthy and in shape. Middleton last year was near prime Middleton in the post-season(at least offensively). I know it's asking a lot, but they get to May, June with a healthy team...I like our odds. Giannis and Dame have something to prove, Middleton is a much better #3 with this group. The length of Prince and Wright...I'd like to see Beauchamp play more because I still think there's something there and I don't want to see Middleton play more than ~55 games and 30MPG in those games. I think AJax will be a dude this year. I'm also looking at the rest of the league and while Boston is a powerhouse and Philly and NYK are probably better when healthy, I don't care. It's the reality of the NBA, but you CAN mortgage the future and we've done that and no better time to do that than with Giannis. In retrospect, bring Halliburton back home would have been wiser than Dame, but what can you do? I put it at about 10% we have one last run, but again, if not...I enjoyed the Suns series and I can respect that the ownership group did what they said they would(Save for maybe Brogdon, but...bygones and all that). 1-0 On pace for 82-0!
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Timing works out for us. If we want to add someone, we have the Jags(on the road...which has historically been a tough game) and the big matchup with the Lions. Not sure we're going to do much. Stokes could go to a team short on CBs if he's fallen out of favor, or we could look to add someone, though not sure where. Most trades would be a marginal upgrade. The big rumors are...very unlikely. Be nice to see Johnathan Ford active this week...see if he can help vs the run. It's the one thing we're still struggling with the Jags do well.
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Marcus Semien and his contract
BrewerFan replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I still think Lieter, 24, is a pretty damn good prospect. He's got some mechanical issues and I've no doubt the Brewers could get the most out of him. He's spent part of one year in, 9 games in the Major Leagues. I agree it's a moot point, but he's a power-hitting 2B who still plays elite defense and...again, 24+ WAR the last 4 years. He's pretty damn good and a 4-year deal is not bad. I don't think the Brewers would do it, but...I'm skeptical other teams would need to jump through hoops in order to just take on Semien's contract. 26M a year is too much for the Brewers, but the Phillies, Giants, Yankees(Who could REALLY use some IF defense and power). And as much as I love Willy, if, there were a scenario in which we were committing 26M to a player, I'd rather it be 4 years of Semien rather than 7 years of Adames. -
How else would you? Just teach someone else on the team how to do it? Because it's a specialist and what teams in the league do you see having someone else holding? Malik Willis? He's never been a holder. Any other position player? And if they get hurt? You anecdotally don't remember any bad holds. The playoff game=bad hold. Because they're DIRECTLY related. I don't know how to put that more plainly. See...you've turned this into a "why didn't they cut the LS, change the holder if they were issues." ASIDE from repeatedly saying they were ONE PART of the issue, not the whole issue, they tried to replace the LS and have done so numerous times. The Holder(again) was a 1st year punter who's improved. You're still(somehow) viewing this as a binary choice. It's EITHER the LSer, Holder or Kicker and I'm trying to explain it's a unit. So when you don't block Patrick Peterson off the edge and he takes it off the kickers foot=Not on the Kicker When they get a push up the middle and block the ball=Not on the Kicker When it's a bad hold vs the 49ers and the ball isn't placed right=not on the Kicker When the kicker just misses it...it's on the Kicker. I can't come up with a simpler explanation as to why we'd be discussing other aspects of the kicking unit when talking about...missed kicks.
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What team in the NFL has had a kicker, punter AND holder? You used to have a QB hold...we don't do that any longer. You're saying it hasn't been a big issue or "as big of an issue as some suggest," and thus why haven't they changed the LS and Punter/Holder. You're acknowledging the LS issues, again, Wheelan was as I just said, a rookie last year, a guy who came from Ireland and Soccer. HE'S improved. I'm not sure how this is controversial. There's 3 aspects to a kick. Snap, hold, kick(4 with the blocking as we had blocked kicks last year as well). You're acknowledging they've been bad...so I guess I don't know what "that big of an issue," means. It's the NFL. We're talking about how bad 82% was. How that was unacceptable. We're not parsing out percentages for how many were strictly on the kicker vs the holder vs the long snapper, the unit blocking... I don't know how to do that without lining up every kick and watching them. They seem like they were quite a bit better this year and specifically Wheelan, so I don't see a reason to use another roster spot on a holder specialist. If Rasheed Walker gets beaten, Love gets hurried, hit as he throws the ball, do we debate if the result was entirely on Love, Walker or do we say the unit was bad that play? Or even in that particular sequence, the OL was bad, that forced it? If there's no pressure and Love throws the ball over the middle(I'm thinking of the Watson injury) do we say that one was on Love? This is the ultimate team game.
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It feels like they almost never do. What's the TOP paid kicker? Roughly 6M. The FA class for kicker is not real impressive, two 40 year old kickers. Eddy Pineiro might be the best, he kicked for the Bears. But even two years out, Daniel Carlson is the best and he's one of 3 kickers in 2026 that is a FA. If you're a kicker, you're good, it's not like betting on yourself is going to earn you another 40M GTD or 20M as a WR, DE, so who doesn't take the 5-6M extension? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/k/sort/contract_value
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Well, they just cut their long snapper on...Monday. It was a procedural move, but they did so with absolutely no fear anyone else would claim him. They signed the top long snapper in the past draft. They've gone through multiple long snappers in the last several years and have seemingly looked under just about every rock for one. And Wheelan was just a 1st year Punter who hadn't held much. He's gotten better. But again, we JUST saw a terrible snap. You had Wheelan save a safety a couple games ago, you have him take one off the ground and get it down in time for McManus. It's pretty obvious given the Long Snappers they've cycled through, they understand the problem...they just haven't found one. Doesn't mean Carlson or Narveson haven't just missed, but if the ball is blocked, if the hold has the laces facing the kicker and the ball tilted left to right, if the snap forces the kicker out of his timing, they all add up to a bad operation. Multiple things can be true.
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Marcus Semien and his contract
BrewerFan replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I don't know what the point of the trade is for the Rangers if you're adding two prospects? You trade a guy who's averaged 6 WAR since Covid...you give up two good or really good prospects and you get back 3 guys the Brewers may DFA? If someone said the Brewers wouldn't do this, it'd be because taking on 4/104 for a 34 year old isn't really how they operate, but I have a feeling another team would be willing to just take the contract without the prospects. If that deal was out there though...sure, I'd try and get it done. He's an elite defender still, hits for power, still runs well. -
We were REAL close and a nice save by Wheelan from missing another one from 45 also. Kicker's have to make the kicks, but that's still just 1/3rd of the process. We're a couple years in and this still is far from a well-oiled machine. And McManus misses that kick if Wheelan doesn't get the hold down...because...bad spot, and people would have said it was on McManus. Maybe Stokes or WR gets traded for a couple late picks to ensure you get the top LS and K next draft!
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And the injuries? I know he had a back issue...something with a disc issue. Is he supposed to be good to go for next year? Would you plan on him being a utility IFer(I know he's played all 4 IF spots)?
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Is this exclusively because Miller isn't a good player or are you high(relatively speaking) on Dunn? I've heard people talk about his ceiling and how he has a relatively high one, but...I haven't seen it and haven't watched him much.
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I agree, he'll get the turnovers down. There have been a couple that have been just really poor luck, but he does need to make better decisions at times. The whole offense has been just a bit off. The DL has really struggled...and they're 5-2. This team has a whole other level or two to it.
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I think he's just here to help put the game plan in. The coaches have the game plan in by Tues, they work on it for a couple of days, and by Friday they're just doing walk-throughs. It may also be a contractual issue. Something to that effect. If he's on the sidelines for a team on Sunday, the pay may be offset (I don't know if that's true). I'm happy just to have the guy around. Ideally he'd take on a bigger role next year, but he's too good of a coach. Had Saleh been available, he'd have been my #1/2 choice for DC...at the time.
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You might be able to argue Goff. He was the 1st pick, went to a SB, now he's great in Det...and I really thought Lawrence would be. Especially after coach McGrabby left, but no, you're right. Dak getting 60M GTD is...absolutely insane. Not sure you're right about Sam Darnold. He'll be the ultimate litmus test. I'd also argue the Browns and 49ers knew they had pretty good QBs but were looking for that upgrade. SF didn't replace Jimmy G with Purdy, they fell into him bassackwards. They traded 3 1sts and...whatever else to move up for Lance. Next year will be interesting as you're going to have Darnold, one of Fields or Wilson(I'd guess Wilson, but he took the job from Fields) maybe Cousins as @GAME05suggested. I wouldn't be surprised to see a team like the Giants both draft one and sign one to a short deal. A deal like Baker got...but it'll be tough to sign someone like Darnold if you've only seen them in that system with those weapons, but teams are seldom rational about QB.

