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Walker can play 1B. He's a capable defender at 3rd, he just hasn't because of Arrenado. I don't think the Cardinals even consider this deal. Walker needs regular playing time. He's still got massive upside. Arrenado is still a good 3B and with the Rox paying part of his deal(I think it's 10M over the next 3 years) you get him for 3/64 and you're giving up 22M in GTD salary in return? This is the most no-brainer trade of all time. Arrenado is not 3 and 42. We'd give him that. Walker is definitely worth acquiring.

Well, they liked him enough to draft him out of HS. I don't want to give up the prospects it'd likely take either. The Mets and Yankees are the favorites but the Mets system seems to be a much better fit than the Yankees.

I don't think you can take Black, throw in 5 guys who are not really prospects and make the deal, but why wouldn't they have interest in a top 100 prospect who has...virtually no service time? Wilken value is going to be in his power and ability to get on base. They're devoid of talent. I'd guess they'd willing to take whatever the best prospects rather than filling holes in their lineup. This is a team that lost...101 and 121 games the last two years. They're in a complete rebuild. Just take the talent. I'm sure they'd want Pratt or Made. I don't know how to guess how they'd value Misiorowski vs Pratt vs a 17-year-old Made. This is the same organization that traded Tatis Jr at 17, so may not want to build a trade around a kid that young.

Yeah, I guess that's true, but so many of their players are guys who just not eligible for prospect status, but still have 6 years there...like Holliday, Kjestad, Cowser, Westburg... I have to say, if they need to use Mountcastle to free up money...as a fan, I'd be so disappointed. That may be the route they go, it has been for a long time, but these new owners should really be willing to spend. I'd be looking at the next 3-4 years as a legitimate shot at winning a WS. Re-sign Burnes, look to trade for another arm maybe, C: Adley Rutschman 1B: Ryan Mountcastle, Ryan O'Hearn/Mayo 2B: Jackson Holliday SS: Gunnar Henderson 3B: Jordan Westburg/Mayo OF: Cedric Mullins, O'Neill, Colton Cowser DH: Heston Kjerstad, O'Hearn That is a stacked lineup. I think Holliday breaks out this year. How are they letting Burnes walk without a fight? They'll have a cheaper payroll that the Brewers. You've got the chance to win 2-3 WS. Perhaps they'll come out and announce big extensions for Holliday, Adley, Gunnar, but I suspect all of those will be more difficult now with the size of these contracts for a guy in his mid 20s. I feel like 10/500 is the new 10/300 for a superstar like Gunnar...so might as well just go for it now!

Willy put up 3.3 WAR in that 2023 season. 3.0 if you want to use Bref(3.1 this year). Prior to that he'd put up a 4.3, 4.2, 1.9 and 3.9 WAR...so the record of success is pretty strong. Main different in Willy last year was a career-low low BABIP. xwOBA was .335, 2nd highest of his career. Either way...he was worth the QO and I doubt the Brewers don't offer it.

LOL...yes, this is OBVIOUSLY a part of being a Brewers fan. It's almost a badge of honor. We have to do it by being smarter and better run. But everything you're describing is evidence of the initial statement. The original post didn't comment on SHOULD the Brewers sign Adames, is he the 3rd best defensive SS(and I just simply do NOT think Adames went from fringe GG caliber defender to a very poor defender, I think that was the result of playing between two other SS, but particularly Ortiz as he got to balls that Adames otherwise would have which would have helped his metrics. And then he went through a bumpy stretch with some errant throws. No longer term trend. No. Giannis in MLB terms is pretty much Juan Soto. He'd be so comically priced out of Milwaukee, we'd Giannis is basically Juan Soto. Again, the guy who JUST got more money in one contract than our owners net worth? Also...absolutely nobody said he was. Probably more like...Brook Lopez, a guy we had to bid against the Rockets to give ~50M over 2 years. Was the point that if the player isn't a top 20-25 player of all-time and a transformative player, they're not a "data point?" -Not every Free Agent should be re-signed by Milwaukee? How...it's like you're entirely new to the sport and this stuff needs to be explained. It's not that we don't re-sign EVERY elite Free Agent like the Packers do or the Bucks do...provided they want to, it's that we cannot afford to sign ANY of them given the massive fiscal inequalities in the game. I'm just confused how that point can be disputed because you're arguing that Adames won't be worth his deal at the end of it. That's just confirming how you've framed ALL of this in the small market Brewers perspective. In every other sport, you can eat that money and be fine. That Aaron Rodgers that you claim we had to trade due to the cap(which we didn't). He cost more trading him with respect to the cap. We had ~70 MILLION in dead cap last year. That's basically the NFL equivalent of the bad years of a players contract. The Angels with Pujols and Hamilton, the Tigers with Miggy, whatever. Aaron Jones? He's got a higher dead cap than all the money we Guaranteed to Josh Jacobs this year. Keeping him was about 8M vs the cap CHEAPER(and he was at the very least arguably better as a player, just older...and we have plenty of cap, we could have kept both, purely from a financial aspect). This year we have 65M in dead cap. The Bucks and Packers have been among the highest spenders in their respective leagues. The Packers spent ~340M on players a couple years ago. 100M over that years cap by using voids and the like. The Bucks are...without looking behind MAYBE 3 teams in total salary. All Data Points in the difference between MLB and the other major sports leagues.

Yeah, I mean, end of '26 isn't crazy. You see what people are saying about him. I'd argue back against the # of players who played at that age(he'd be 19 going on 20)...maybe we got one. But the great thing is, these aren't the days of Antoine Williamson or...whoever the hell. We have Cooper Pratt, Luis Pena, we have SO many other guys with high ceilings. The dream isn't in finding another star...IMO. I think we'll do that. It's in hitting on a couple and then just good solid players as these guys move up. Bitonti doesn't have to be a 30HR hitter, if he can hit .225 with a .325 OBP, hit 25 HRs and play great D at 1B, fine(or 3B). We just have so many options AND we're stacking these LA classes on each other. It's just a whole different era in Brewers baseball. The point is, we're not counting on it being Made, Pratt, Quero...and we don't have to rush them. It's also December 10th and Juan Soto is now worth more than the Principal owner of the Brewers is worth, so nothing wrong with being a little overly optimistic on the young guns!

What for? Devin Williams as a hedge against Bautista? Give them another HL reliever? He should be back and healthy for next year, but it's a walk year for Williams. He may be willing to be a lights out SU man on a contender for a year. The two systems don't really match up as neither has MLB ready arms save for Misiorowski, so it'd be a tough sell to get, but Mayo may be the guy who replaces Mountcastle.

That's...very optimistic! I'd be thrilled with a year split between A ball. Maybe he gets into the playoffs in AA. Then a year in AA. And then if he's on the route Chourio is, 8/80+2 team options. That is assuming SO much between then and now, but it's fun to think about. I don't think I'd want a rookie young(or 2nd/3rd year Yount) on this iteration of the Brewers. That was before you had to worry about service time and the Brewers were bad. They were building for something. This team is trying to COMPETE for everything.

Fair enough...we don't need to talk about it, but we don't need to pretend it doesn't exist while the Dodgers COULD spend nearly 1.5B(combined) on two players in back-to-back years(even though I don't think Soto chooses to sign with them). But the part in bold is all the Brewers can realistically address and the next 6-7 look to be very competitive as well.

No...to either. Neither player was let go because the Packers financially could not afford to pay their salary OR because they couldn't afford either player. Yeah, I don't really know how this argument can be made, but...sure. The Brewers couldn't afford it, but it's not a data point to support that baseball continues to be the one major sport where small market teams lose their stars? I'm not sure how it's NOT a data point, but...alright.

The comment plainly was not specific to Adames. I'm genuinely confused as to why this is a difficult concept.

You're really stretching to willfully miss the point here for...some strange reason. -Yeah, NFL teams lose players to the salary cap. They're still all playing on a level field, right? Who was the last player the Packers lost that they wanted to keep because of cap? That's a team that plays in a market of 100K people. -I don't care how Hader did last year as I said in the previous post. -Prince Fielder didn't sign with the Rangers, he signed with the Tigers, he was outstanding, he got hurt and the Rangers had his contract insured...though I'm not even sure why he's being brought up? You not minding how MLB is structured...in absolutely no way changes the ridiculous inequities in how MLB is structured toward other leagues. David Bakhtiari was injured and couldn't play most of the 4 years after signing the largest deal for an OL in NFL history. Does that in ANY WAY dispute the original point? I also very specifically said; And you responded by...talking about why they weren't great deals for...whatever reason.

The comment was made that Baseball is the only major sport in which small-market teams are EXPECTED to lose their stars to large-market teams. Not about about being "victims," because they couldn't sign Willy Adames to this exact deal, it was a larger and pretty simple point. The Packers aren't expected to just...let any player they draft who they hit on leaves because they can't possibly match the Cowboys, Giants, Rams, etc... The Bucks, again, they didn't just reconcile themselves to the fact that Giannis was gone when he became a star because they just couldn't consider spending the money to keep them. So no part of this statement; ...is wrong. Hader, Burnes, Williams. You can rationalize why each individual deal wasn't a great deal...and that's not the point.

Doesn't change his post in any way.

Awfully low bar. This isn't 5 kids playing baseball in the yard, this is MLB. You can use a real runner. Speaking of which, that's the one I don't like. The guy starting on 2B in extras.

I love those, the shift. Replay has been good. There are a few very small aspects of replay I don't love, but on balance it's a huge success. Eliminating the shift(or limiting it) has been great. This would just...skew the game too much. You'd also see the best hitters getting paid more. Imagine getting Soto out and then you have to face him again 2 hitters later with 2 on or the bases loaded. Just...an asinine idea.

I thought Montas would be a nice guy to bring back on...2/15 maybe. He throws in the upper 90s, obviously the Brewers liked him and probably thought they could get more out of him, but 17M over 2 years? Insane. @Team Canada...that's the most absurd idea I think I've heard discussed. If you did do that...I'd imagine Soto's value would go up significantly. Bases loaded, big spot, he may be the player I want up more than anyone else in the game.

I'm holding off plenty. Literally nobody is saying hand out tens of millions to Made or Pratt right now. AFTER they become one of, if not the top prospect(s) in the game and before we call them up(which would be following Chourio's performance and once or even immediately before they're set to get promoted) they are guys I'd like to sign. It's obviously dependent upon them actually becoming those types of players.

Oh...yeah, hard pass in that case. I thought you were being a smart ass and just assumed it was Kim from the Pads...which also made me think the contract was a bit light, but that's too big of a risk given our resources. Good chance he ends up as a utility IFer given his experience at SS and 2B, but we really can't afford to pay the posting fee(I'm not even entirely sure how that works anymore) and give him 40M over 5 years just based on his performance in the KBO.

Sure...maybe that's part of it...though most of those players are younger or in their prime, but even if it was just older players, it's hardly because they brought in McCaffery. They still have another year with Purdy under contract and if they extend him, even if it's for 4/200M, we all know how that deal will go. It's more like 5/200 since he's got just 1M, his cap hits will still be plenty cheap enough the next few years. I'd love to believe this is the downfall of SF, but I think it's just a bad year. They'll be back next year. And if anything has really hurt SF, it was that Trey Lance deal...maybe the Buckner deal. They had an elite DE and a top 3-4 DT that made them a nightmare and they tried to trade Buckner and draft a guy, but those guys are rare. This is the 2020 49ers. They still have too much good young talent, but you're always vulnerable to injuries.

I agree...and that's also why each players value isn't that high. If they moved any of them, I wouldn't be upset, but it's not a Jackie Bradley Jr type scenario where I think we'd be so lucky to get out of the deal(that was an amazing trade). If Hoskins was coming off a career average ~.830 OPS or so, he'd have some surplus value instead of negative. And I'm talking about among GMs, not using his WAR. He may "only" put up a 1.5 WAR this year as he'll DH and his defense is average at best, but I don't really care about the WAR in that case as much as the OPS and run production.

Yeah, I agree. Those two are the top two teams, but the way the Eagles rookie CBs are playing...plus Jevon Carter and speed on the edges and they have the advantage. Both teams have dominant OLs who can wear you down, big playmakers. But Detroit lost so much with the Hutchinson injury. The Packers have a chance to run the table, but they'll need Love playing closer to 2nd half of last year, Wicks to come up with big catches that keep the chains moving, but more importantly, they need that DL to stake a blue pill and stiffen up when playing those teams in particular. The best RT in the NFL is on Detroit(and a well-rounded and elite OL) and Phlily has the best run game with Hurts and Barkley. I think the Packers can turn it up, but where they've been...it's not good enough. Getting Lloyd back from injury to add a little more versatility in the run game, Musgrave and Kraft make a really versatile TE duo. The bruiser and the guy who stretches the field down the seam. But more than anyone, Jaire needs to be healthy if they're going to play press man. But they're mostly healthy and just need to clean some things up and I think the NFC is open for a team to get hot and beat anyone. I don't think either of these teams are as good as the 49ers last year. It'll come down to the LOS. Can Walker, Myers(both ranked 2nd last at their position per PFF) and then the DL with a history of playing big late. Gonna be a fun stretch run.

I'm enjoying the 49ers struggles, but...I can't put that on CMac(and I'm not sure why there was a lot of hubris in the move). I thought that was a great move for them. He played every game the last two years, was a stud for them...this year he's been hurt. The real issue is that team has been decimated by injuries. HOF-LT in Williams was out AP(and I'd say a DE on a HOF trajectory) in Bosa-out. CB-The guy they just gave 90M in Lenoir was out WR#1 Ayiuk-Season ender PB DT-Javon Hargrave(18 sacks last 2 years) season-ending injury They were missing a starting OG, missing 2 other starters on the DL. Purdy has missed time, Kittle, Deebo. Ward who was a 2nd team AP last year at CB. Plus, they're 52M under the cap and they'll roll a ton over into next year. They have to extend Purdy(and this year may make that cheaper)...but I don't think bringing in CMac was the problem at all. It's like Philly bringing in Barkley, but CMac was younger and Barkley got more than CMac. They would have been fine if you have Ayiuk, Deebo, Jennings and then their 1st rd pick not getting shot in the chest to start the year on IR, Kittle, Trent at LT, I think they'd still be an elite offense(but then they're missing 4-5 elite defensive players). It is always nice to see SF struggling though...whatever the reason.

I don't even know what they were though. Was it just general immaturity? With Spencer Rattler, you saw it on that Documentary, he was just obnoxious, but with Caleb, it seemed like he was not coachable and then I just heard "maturity issues." That and when you hve the talent he had around him and you can't beat ANY of the top-ranked teams(IIRC, his record vs ranked teams was like 2-11 or something). I heard people talking about Jayden Daniels, some even saying they should consider him...and when they made their argument, it's pretty easy. He was incredible throwing the ball outside the numbers and pushing it downfield. He was a great runner. A more elusive Randall Cunningham type. Even had the 6'3 frame. But I don't think anyone was seriously looking at Daniels over Caleb. Maybe the Bears should have. I believe Williams will end up having some monster seasons...I just don't know if he's going to be the guy who can get you over the top. The lack of awareness the last play...saying you couldn't get the FG team out there anyway...yes, it's on the HC, but you gotta get that ball snapped at LEAST by ~10 seconds. You let 33 seconds or so tick off. That's not just a rookie mistake, that's worse than that.