brewizard, I was speaking more in terms of the overall franchise (attendance, ratings, merchandise sales, general awareness in the state and media, etc), not just the team on the field. It's readily apparent they are playing very poorly right now, but that doesn't mean the overall health of the franchise is bad. The team has made tremendous leaps and bounds in those areas I cited. Also, I feel you are being blindly pessimistic right now...I don't think Jeff Suppan's performance will determine that the team will be sub-.500 for the next ten years. We only have him under contract for one more season (then a buyout, I believe). He can't hurt us after that.