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Game 5: Packers @ Buccaneers - Sunday, October 18th, 3:25PM
PeaveyFury replied to homer's topic in Other Sports
Some industrial grade bad play calling by Carolina there. -
Is the offense not bad enough as it is. I think trading Hiura would be crazy. Curious how you think the team addresses its needs this off season, then, if you've eliminated free agency as a possibility due to your assume budget constraints, and if you won't trade assets that they could potentially use instead?
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Any chance? Yes. I might actually argue that the best way to improve/fill many holes on the team is to trade someone like Hiura.
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Curious to know who, other than Urias, makes up your list of young high minor league prospects or those on the cusp of the major leagues that Stearns has acquired and missed on?
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Bill Barnwell suggests a pre-deadline Packer trade for Kenny Stills, giving up a 6th. This seems like too logical a deal to actually happen. Packers have excess draft capital due to the UFA losses, and Stills is a free agent at the end of the season with little value to Houston. The Packers aren't on the hook for salary after this year considering their cap crunch. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30115789/nfl-trade-deadline-offers-13-proposals-players-get-dealt-2020-including-sam-darnold-dwayne-haskins-zach-ertz
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Thanks for posting. I, like many, was very interested in Devin White and Devin Bush in last year's draft though obviously neither made it to Green Bay's pick. So surprising to see them struggling some in their second year in the league.
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Your 2020 number is correct. I wanted to add a note that his run defense rating is an astounding 90.3, best overall for a LB.
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I think that’s a tiny intangible that probably doesn’t factor a whole lot into the actual decision. I’m pretty confident they’ll extend Bakhtiari, but I’m prepared to move on from Jones, Linsley, and King. Realistically, I think they can only sign one of those ‘Big 4’ free agents. They’ll likely need to cut and re-structure just to keep one. You're probably right, unless two of them are willing to be cap friendly early in the contract. I think it'd be really hard to move on from Bakh or Linsley just because both are performing so well as part of a good o-line. But the Packers have had a lot of success plugging seemingly random guys into the interior o-line without much drop off when it seems like quality guys do leave (Sitton, Lang, etc.). Ideally, I'd like to see the Packers move on from Kirksey/Preston Smith, and use $10m of that cap savings on Bakh and Linsley, then address LB hard in the draft, along with CB. Sounds like Josh Jackson is starting on Sunday, so we should be able to get a better/longer evaluation of him as a potential option there as well.
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Yep. The Rodgers/Love reckoning is after 2021. Cap out for Rodgers, and the ability to play Love for a few years on a rookie contract and spend the 'vet QB' money on the rest of the roster. Two seasons of QB room learning should be very beneficial to Love at that point as well.
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I think Bahk is both the priority and the player more likely to sign a team-friendly deal for 2021 at least. They'll need some cap maneuverability, and it seems plausible that he'll accept a deal that may be more roster bonus heavy than base heavy. Jones is more likely to want to get paid, as he should considering the current lifespan of a NFL RB. Very much agreed on Linsley- not sure how they'd be able to keep him, but I'd love it if they do. He's been rock solid in the middle for them. King, meh. I love his potential, and the idea of having two pretty solid corners (with Jaire obviously MORE than solid), but you have to stay on the field to do so. If they can bring him back cheap, sure. But they can't commit large dollars in a cap crunch year to a guy that just doesn't contribute every week since he's on the sideline so much.
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Other than Kenny Clark, who has become an all-pro interior lineman, what other interior d-linemen has this organization used first round draft capital on in the past decade? Datone Jones was drafted as a 3-4 DE, before they figured out that he just didn't have the size to play there and take the physical pounding, which necessitated his weight loss and a move to OLB. They weren't first rounders, but Montravious Adams (3rd), Khyri Thornton (3rd), Jerel Worthy (2nd), Mike Daniels (4th) and Mike Neal (2nd) were also relatively high picks. Of course, Raji was the #9 overall selection, but that is going back 12 seasons now. Yeah, I see two guys that worked out well there (Neal & Daniels) one guy who grades out as incomplete in Adams, and flops in Thornton and Worthy. But no first rounders. Raji and Clark both performed at a very high level for the Packers, and I don't think the capital that was used on them can be considered wasted.
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Other than Kenny Clark, who has become an all-pro interior lineman, what other interior d-linemen has this organization used first round draft capital on in the past decade? EDIT: I guess if you're still holding onto bad feelings about Justin Harrell 13+ years later, but he's literally the only example of a bad 1st rounder on the interior d-line by the Packers in the last 40 years.
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I think that's very fair, but it's also fair to lament the selfishness/stupidity/stubbornness of those folks. Obviously it sounds like your friend is taking that to an unhealthy degree, but I don't think it's unfair to question why people are choosing to do what they're doing. I also think the examples you point to (smoking cessation, weight loss, etc.) are choices that effect one's own personal health. Stuff like mask wearing is about protecting the health of others, and noncompliance is all the more terrible from that standpoint.
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I really think this is yet another example of why large second-contract deals to RBs don't work out well in today's league, and why I don't think the Packers will resign Jones. Bell is obviously a weird case based on his history, but there's a reason why guys like Gordon and Gurley weren't resigned by the teams that drafted them high in the draft.
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Context: An article about how our draft class isn't contributing many snaps this year. It is either the article that PeavyFury wrote or plagiarized (Would they be EVEN MORE undefeated?) Holy cow. I swear that neither is true!
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Thanks for the heads-up! I've bought from COMC at some point in the past, but didn't know the story. Are you saying that they cover the ebay fees and such, or are they just sending you the net amount factoring that in?
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Calling Andujar a project at 3B is kind.... no idea if he can man first instead, but he's not a 3B defensively.
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I think I would accept that deal, but I'm not sure the Yankees would. Garcia is really, really hard to value right now.
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Yeah, the salary is a bit of a problem for the longer-term. Interestingly, they could hypothetically use him as a rental and flip him for picks in the offseason if they wanted. The NFL doesn’t usually work like that though. If they acquire him, it’d necessitate some serious cap work this spring.
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Speaking of links, I'm still interested in reading the source material here, considering that the WHO special envoy's statement didn't add any qualifier to the effect of "causing more health risks than Covid." Is there something more specific that has been released on the subject? Regarding the Special Envoy, here's a direct link to his separate published piece on his 'middle path': https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/reflections-about-the-middle-path/ The frustrating thing seems to be that the consensus is that no one wants 'lock downs' and such, but to get to that path, you have to do/comply with the basic items that people are, for some reason, unwilling to comply with at this point: People are encouraged to adopt all precautions all the time. As Tedros of WHO says: ‘Do it All’: physical distancing, proper face-masking, hand/cough/surface hygiene, self-isolating when ill and shielding those most at risk. There should be no exceptions anywhere. This is best achieved through engaging people and trusting them rather than coercion if at all possible. Sadly, paths other than the last seem implausible at this point....
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My own conclusions/observations on how things have unfolded. I won't speak for the biomedical folks here, but I doubt that anyone on either side of the aisle was willing to go on record in March stating that A)the medical professionals really didn't know how to treat patients that needed hospital care, and B)that the only real way out of this was a vaccine. Time bought them a chance to find better alternatives/drugs/treatment plans vs. what was done initially. Vaccine production was hurried in a remarkable way, and we're all still here buying time until that arrives to be the end of it. I'd guess that no one expected the other three to be resolved at all during the lock down, but it bought more time for each of the three items noted. Problem was, with additional time more could have been done to potentially reduce what we're seeing now. But instead it became a politicized, self-centered/selfish, petulant response from society that rushed into reopening with haphazard guidelines with no enforcement and haphazard adoption. So here we are, as a result.
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It really is so hard to know. I can't help but think that when you turn a large part of the roster over as they did, you really do have a disadvantage when you don't have a full-length season to truly 'gel' as a team and get closer with new teammates and such. And clearly some of the best hitters in baseball were never able to get on track, so you have to think that the significant disruption to the usual routine of the season had a negative impact. Still, the great thing about what the Brewers did last off season was that they're not tied to nearly all of those guys they brought in going forward if they don't want to be, so they can pick and choose who they think was an anomaly and who they think is just toast.
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It is kind of interesting in that I looked up his PFF rankings on the season, and he's rated below Ty Summers in both his overall score (both poor, FTR), and pass coverage this far.
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Indeed. It will be interesting to see if the factors stay consistent in future studies as re-openings become more widespread. I think that this data and these types of studies will be vital to preventing a massive lockdown-type event again as we can now better target where the risks actually are. Unfortunately, it appears that a lot of the hardest-hit businesses (restaurants/bars/hospitality) are likely to face increasing restrictions based on the data. Lost in the debate/push-back regarding the initial 'flatten the curve'/stay at home period earlier this year is that the initial restrictions really had the goal of 1)preventing an overwhelming of the hospital/medical system 2)buying time for development of a vaccine 3) buying time to determine a better treatment plan than the on-the-fly nature of the early case treatment, and 4)to allow actual research like these studies to offer better insights on what we're actually dealing with here and how to mitigate risk in a more targeted way going forward.
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To sum up my thoughts on the recent points made in this thread, briefly: 1)4-5 games is waaaaay to early to grade any draft class. 2)Regarding team needs going into the draft, clearly fans underestimated the talent that was already on the offensive roster, and the Packers viewed that as less of a need than fans did back in May. Thus far, that has graded out in favor of the team's staff. 3)The Packers' offense is moving the ball at will, with their top two receivers out. Why are we still discussing what receiver the could/should have taken at 30? They're fine thus far without whoever that would have been. 4)Regarding LB, I liked Queen a lot too. But I'm also willing to wait for Martin to play a down of football before I assume they didn't address the issue somewhat in the draft. By all accounts, he was turning heads in camp prior to the injury. 5)The Packers are undefeated, and by most accounts are ranked 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in most current NFL power-rankings. What impact would Queen or a WR have had on that thus far? Would they be EVEN MORE undefeated? To my point, thus far the Packers basically conducted a draft based on the seasons coming after 2020, and the 2020 team hasn't missed a beat. The Packers continue to play chess while other teams can't figure out how to play checkers right. 6)One more time for emphasis, 4-5 games is WAAAY too early to judge a draft class. Especially when the team is doing really, really well.
