PeaveyFury
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Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college. Not all NFLers are created equal, as I posted earlier. You chose not to respond to those posts though, but I'd be curious about your thoughts on that point.
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1) How many throws of 20+ did Fields, a Heisman-candidate QB have in him today? There was a driving rain, and that wasn't the environment to get Mertz into a game regardless of how you feel about Coan. (The answer to the question in the first part is two, and one was 21 yards, just for the record.) 2)I'm 99% sure they did run wildcat on a drive in the second half, also for the record.
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That's also a testament to the coaching at Wisconsin, who have a high level of success and DO put a decent amount of talent into the NFL by coaching them up. A lot of guys can make it on atheticism alone, but Wisconsin makes better football players and wins a lot of games as a result. But, when they play a really, really good team like OSU, you're going to need the breaks to go your way to win. And they certainly didn't today.
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It's easier because it's true. Yeah, the Badgers put talent into the NFL. How many of those have been top talent? Some, but they are the exception, not the rule. By contrast, here are OSU's last few drafts: 2016: 5(!) first rounders, 2 second rounders 2017: 3 first rounders, 2 second rounders 2018: 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder 2019: 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder. The Badgers' numbers for those same four drafts? Two first rounders. Earlier, you countered the Bosas with the Watts, and Gordon and White with Elliott, but those are just three of the 18(!) top picks OSU has put into the draft.
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Giving up 38 is “not perfect?” They’ve been overmatched on both sides of the ball.
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That's a far cry from our goals from 8 days ago. We went into Illinois thinking even one OSU loss didn't necessarily take us out of CFP contention. Clearly, a second chance at a win vs. OSU would look impossible at this point, regardless of what had happened last week. But yeah. Things have obviously changed dramatically from two weeks ago, even if they’re now more in line with what was expected to begin the year.
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Obviously, the season from here hinges on Iowa. Win that, and you still have a chance to win the West and rally to a nice Bowl game. Lose, and it does feel like you left a lot on the table this year.
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I guess I struggle with this, as this carries over from pro sports and doesn't translate well into college. Is every college basketball season a failure if you don't win game 6 of the NCAA tourney? I don't think so. You play to beat your rivals, compete for a conference championship, and to win a bowl game against a marquee opponent, preferably in a prestigious game. The season ISN'T a complete waste of time like it is in the NBA or NFL.
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Not much detail to that answer considering my comments were "harsh" and "mostly wrong". My equally basic reply is: not running schemes like this they won't. I guess we'll see. I think the stats end up speaking for themselves. They're winning 80% of their games doing what they're doing. But as much as you won't acknowledge for some reason, there IS a talent gap. Sooner or later, they'll be able to win one and pull themselves into the playoff. As I said, that's my opinion, but I believe it to be true.
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This is harsh, and mostly incorrect, IMO. And the death of Jack Coan by Badger fans appears to have been a bit exaggerated.... Getting back to this, what was so harsh, and what was incorrect? I gave them plenty of credit for reaching this level as a program. Given the jump they've made in recruiting, one could argue this is the most advanced the program has ever been.They just don't appear capable of making the next step however. They overwhelm smaller programs with their offensive line but don't do anything all that worrisome scheme-wise to keep better, faster defenses guessing. So what more than topping out at a New Year's day bowl are you seeing in their future? Chryst’s style has worked 79% of the time so far. They’ll win the Big Ten Championship and make the playoff at some point in the next five years.
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This is harsh, and mostly incorrect, IMO. And the death of Jack Coan by Badger fans appears to have been a bit exaggerated....
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Get the ball at the 25 after a fair catch on the 6? That's a rule I never knew about. Yep, that’s a thing in college football.
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Would that I had your optimism.
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On one side of the ball. Offense has been pretty bad outside of the one Cruikshank run. Well, sure. But it’s a three point game near the half. Considering that “fans” and “experts” have this like 42-17 or whatever, keeping this close, even if ugly, means this is a game.
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This is going about as well as Wisconsin could have hoped for to this point.
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Torrens is the type of guy you go after in 2022 after Yelich and maybe Hader are heading out the door and you're looking at a step back, not the type of guy you rely on as a potential contender in 2020.
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It certainly is a nice reminder that you just have to get in to the postseason to have a chance. -
If that historical data was available, I think it's possible that there'd be worse out there. And there is so much more to the importance of a loss than the point spread set by Las Vegas, which is what others and I am saying. To borrow a phrase from Ron Wolf, this loss is a fart in the wind that will be remembered about as unremarkably as the loss to BYU a couple of years from now.
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Again, not really. That Cincinnati loss in 1999 was horrendous. #9 Wisconsin team, likely caught looking ahead to a two top-10 teams match up with Michigan the next week. Cincinnati was a MAC team coming off a 2-9 season in '98, and had lost to a D2 team the week before. Sure, this is a bad one, possibly the worst in some time. But to call it the 'worst ever' is just recency bias. Edit: And how quickly do we forget that just LAST SEASON #6 Wisconsin lost AT HOME to 22- point underdog BYU in a game where it wasn’t a last second FG that put BYU ahead, it was actually UW that was chasing from behind.
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If you're referring to the disaster that was the "Bowl Coalition Championship," you're correct because the Big Ten and Pac-10 were excluded from competing in it. The Big Ten didn't play for a National Championship the length of its existence as a result. (Note, the Rose Bowl was excluded from the Bowl Coalition as a result). Poll voters weren't obligated to choose the Orange Bowl's winner as the National Champion, which is why FSU only narrowly edged out Notre Dame in the Coaches' poll anyway. The belief is that an undefeated Wisconsin team had a chance to earn at worst a split championship and a claim for the title, which is very plausible.
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I remember that Gopher loss as a possible nat title killer. Just looked the final rankings had we beat the Gophers we would have finished 11-0-1 and been the only unbeaten at the top of the polls other than 11-0 Auburn who was banned from postseason play. That was a crushing loss at the time Yep. No other team without a loss. The tie didn’t matter, as they’d have possibly been named the champ. And that Michigan loss was a 5 point loss to the#4 team in the country. That 1999 team finished 4th overall despite the two losses. If they had one loss by five total points, they may not have won it all, but they might have finished 2nd.
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That actually seems worse, somehow. It seems like the people who dislike Chryst didn't like him being hired in the first place, and his fairly significant amount of success as a coach has done nothing to change that opinion, for some reason.
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People calling it the worst loss in Wisconsin history clearly aren't old enough to remember the loss to Minnesota in 1993 that probably prevented them from ACTUALLY winning a National Championship, or a horrendous loss to Cincy in 1999 that may have done the same. I doubt anyone at that time thought Alvarez 'might not be the right guy for the job', though. Again, I think the fan base for Wisconsin sports has become spoiled and fairly intolerant of normal losses that happen on occasion to most programs. We only think it happens to Wisconsin, though, for some reason.
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One more time for emphasis, and Louis' take is a very good one overall. What did most people think was the ceiling for UW this year, realistically? Winning the west, getting beat in the BiG Championship, and hopefully playing in a New Year's Six Bowl? Probably. And all still very possible.
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I think this is very incorrect. Franklin is a better recruiter and PR guy than Chryst, but I don’t believe for a second that he’s a better coach. Chryst struggles to communicate, he doesn’t struggle to coach football at a high level.
