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Maybe the Orioles. I can't imagine the Brewers care even a little bit about the Rays compensation. Well I don't think we care about the Rays part, just us giving up another pick.

Well, he's right on the bottom third border but I'd say Kodi Medeiros. I'd say Jacob Nottingham, maybe. I just don't see it with Stokes. I see a future MLB outfielder, possibly, but more somewhere between a Quintin Berry speed specialist type or a 4th OFer at best.

Could they file a grievance though, on a non-guaranteed contract? The terms of the contract would still apply and he'd be owed the 30 to 45 days termination pay, regardless of if he's healthy or injured. Either way I think the Brewers wait it out until he's healthy in a few weeks or until opening day approaches and the injury is lingering and they work out a severance deal (if that's even necessary). It doesn't really cost them anything to wait it out. They can file a grievance on whatever they want, it just doesn't mean they'll win. The MLBPA strongly dislikes arbitration players released in spring. They'll typically file a grievance that the release was a money related release for the team, which isn't allowed. It must be performance related.

Tough break for Vogt it happens, and the MLBPA would file a grievance as they always do in such cases, but there are worse things in the world than getting paid half a million dollars severance just to be sent on your way, and I'm sure he'd land on his feet somewhere.

I think 3/52.5, if if ends up being legit, would be a solid move for an appropriate amount of years. With it being so close to under 50, I wonder if there would be a way to structure it in a way where we could stay under a 50M guarantee and incentivize the extra amount to avoid compensation.

Dude doesn't seem very credible. 59 followers? Something to keep an eye on anyway and I'm sure that number will shoot up if he ends up being right.

Yeah, I'm pretty shocked, honestly. I haven't been an advocate of signing Luc but at this point if he wanted to sign for 1/$5 I would pull the trigger and send Vogt packing.

Yelich is definitely least suited to play RF of any OF position. He could probably pass there, although his arm is definitely going to reduce his effectiveness. You don't make a blockbuster trade for a stud like Yelich, based partially on his defensive value, to put him in a position where his defensive value is average at best. My bet is Yelich will play in LF everyday except when Cain is off in which case Yelich will usually slide over to CF. Don't see him in RF at all.

Nope, none at all. He's already on the 40. If he loses the "options" game I'll be very upset. We lost too many games from relief pitching last year to be screwing around with playing that game with the pen.

Awesome! That was always a bummer, the occasional Wednesday or Thursday noon game, day off and find out they aren't on.

I was amazed that Drake survived every cut last year much less got another shot to make the team this year. Fun Drake fact: right handed batters OPSed 1.043 against Drake last year. Another way to put that is, every righty batter in baseball is Mike Trout against Oliver Drake. I like Craig Counsell, I think he's a great manager, but I will always look at his decision in extras to let Drake face Kris Bryant in extra innings in the last Cub series of the year where every game was critical, as a mind-numbingly awful decision.

I'm not a real big Perez fan, but I don't deny he's got some value and belongs on the roster mostly thanks to his versatility. I don't think his roster spot is in any danger this year. With that said, he isn't a guy that I would feel any need or desire to go long-term contract with. He seems exactly like the kind of player you go year to year with, keep him around as long as his production warrants it, and then move on.

The Super 2 cost isn't the extra money paid getting to arbitration a year sooner, its the large cost of getting 4 chances at the arbitration process. I've never seen anyone get less money for the next seen after going thru arbitration. Heck there was someone that got a raise (not completely sure of the amount at this time) after missing around 95% of last season. To expand further I'm going to use Trevor Bauer as an example. After a few years of ups & downs, he has finally started putting it together & is performing at a good level (not great All-Star level, but also not as a run of the mill starter). After his 2nd trip thru arbitration Bauer is getting paid over $6.5MM for 2018 & is on path for 2 more trips thru arbitration. My guess is Bauer is likely looking at $11MM to $15MM for that 4th (& extra) year of arbitration assuming his performance level holds or improves. Now Burnes might perform better than Bauer or he might perform worse over multiple years. At this time we don't know how it will shake out. I'm not looking to compare them as pitchers. My point is that extra year of arbitration has a greater impact than $3MM over 1 season (using the Knebel example you noted). I understand that. So someone like Burnes might make $3M, $5M, $7.5M, and $11M as a Super 2, or 3, 5.5, and 9 as a 3 arby player, just to throw out an example. So you could be talking $10M or so in difference. More, or less, depending on productivity. But if you think he could make a difference in 2018 in contending, it could be worth it versus a price to pay of 2.5M a year or so over 4 years. Course if you really really believe in the guy, you could offer to buy it all out for $20M or so and tack on a couple team options, and then it's a moot point. Even if you end up with a Jon Singleton situation, it's not going to hurt you much. But that's a whole other discussion itself.

If he's even played, I missed it.

That extra service year is huge. It's definitely worth waiting 2 weeks to gain that. But my question would be, is it worth keeping Burnes down until summer if he can be one of our best starters right now? We are a fringe contender, and having a guy like Burnes up almost a full season versus half a season could make the difference between a playoff spot and sitting home in October. So you have to weigh that against a few million saved by avoiding Super 2. Obviously it is in our best interest to avoid Super 2 when possible. But some guys are worth biting that bullet for. Is Burnes one of them? I don't know. Like I said, some guys are worth it, I don't think anyone is too upset that we have to pay Knebel a little over 3.5M instead of 500K or so a year early. If they wanted to bring Burnes up in late April and start his clock I would have zero problem with it if they believe he belongs in the MLB rotation now. A late April/early May callup could help us with his inning limit this year too. The most important part of that equation is that he would be controlled by the Brewers for nearly a full 7 seasons and 7 potential playoff races. I also don't think it's necessarily true that he couldn't come in and be dominant right away. I wouldn't necessarily expect him to, but Burnes is quite polished and composed and I don't think it's a given that MLB will be a huge adjustment for him. I think Hader is probably less polished than Burnes and he dominated out of the gate, albeit in a pen role. Also, some starters are dominant early on just based on a lack of familiarity and scouting. (Jungmann.)

Don't really think Choi has much of a shot barring injury. I think as Eye Black said it's basically just a showcase for him.

Holy smokes man. You're all over this forum drawing conclusions from a couple days of spring training. Relax Seriously? Nowhere did I say that we should draw any conclusions from anything that's happened whatsoever, and we shouldn't. Just pointed out that there were a ton of missed scoring opportunities and bad defense in the first few games. Talk about totally missing the point of what I was talking about. Hardly going into panic mode or penciling guys into the roster over here.

When the Brewers win a World Series thanks in part to Santana, Phillips, Hader and Houser they could do a 30 for 30 on how that failed Mets trade that would have been horrific turned into this tremendous trade which helped propel them to a championship. Well, Flores would have been a nice fit at 3B, but then the Brewers likely wouldn't have Shaw. That means Thornburg would either still be in the Brewers' pen, or they would have flipped him to another team to shore up a different position. I do have a feeling waiting for Wheeler to get healthy would have gotten very frustrating by now. Flores as the everyday 3B? That's about as unexciting as Hernan Perez as the everyday guy.

Davison was a treat to watch. Iverson was completely non existent as usual.

Why? Its a 1 year/6.5M deal.

Isn't Kodi Rule 5 eligible after this season, or is it after 2019? I guess my point is, we can't be patient and protect every talented player we have just in the hopes of them developing into our best case scenario. I don't think Kodi would be limited to LOOGY status, maybe more of a power reliever like Hader, but if his future is in the pen, that's something we want to try to figure out before he becomes Rule 5 eligible, or we'll have a tough decision on our hands if he's still struggling as a starter.

How much longer are we going to keep wondering what HH says about something in deciding how likely something is to happen? Anyway, I'd be thrilled with Cobb at 3/42.

I've been critical of Melvin at times but he nailed the Gomez trade. In a situation where we had about 24 hours to deal Gomez and everyone knew we wanted to. Imagine how much worse we would be with Wheeler + Flores, minus Hader, Santana, Phillips and Houser.

If it's ever possible to have your confidence shot over a spring training game, Daniel Brown might have pulled it off there. That was ugly.

When your only job in the game is to come in and pinch run after a leadoff double, and on the very first pitch you get caught in a rundown, can't even stay in it long enough to get the other guy to 2nd and get him out too.