adambr2

Can the Packers draft this Iowa punter? He is insane.

If you're going to call the timeouts to get the ball back which you should, don't wait 5 damn seconds to call it.

Boy that was a terrible 1st half offensive performance.

I mean if you're going to let him rehab with us in '24 you may as well take a shot with a club option in '25. Otherwise you're just giving away free money next year with no incentive.

Is there anyone else that just kind of would rather embrace a 2 year rebuild at this point? Get something for Burnes while you still can. Be patient with your young OFers. Maybe shop Yelich around to a contender if he's willing to waive his NTC. They've got a pretty decent foundation in place in the farm especially if they can add a little more to it if they just be a little patient.

Here's the cold reality if you don't trust Woodruff to ever be effective again: You either make some pretty significant additions via FA/trade and maybe push the payroll to 140-150M and keep Burnes and try to really make a run next year, or you embrace a rebuild. I'd be happy with either of those things. But not a "run it back" approach.

I mean they can try, I just don't know if he'd accept and if he doesn't, I don't know what the point would be of retaining him. Maybe you could offer him $12M next season with team options of $15M in 2025 and $20M in 2026 with buyouts of $3M and $5M to give us some incentive to keep him around and buy him at least 15-20M in guarantees if things don't work out.

You're not DFAing him, you're just not offering him arbitration and making him a FA. Which he is going to be after next year anyway. So the alternative is literally just to pay him to do nothing next year and then become a free agent anyway. I don't know how that's better given our already limited resources.

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Why can't we ever be the weird 85-90ish win team that gets hot out of nowhere in October and suddenly can't lose?

I didn't say Love looks bad since Week 1. I said as an entire team we seem to be regressing, not improving, since Week 1 which is the opposite of what you'd like to see from a young team. But, I wouldn't attribute all of Love's struggles to the offensive line. Monday was by far Love's worst game as a pro. I wouldn't say the offensive line was "good" by any means in Las Vegas but they were far better than they were in Detroit.

I think a lot of us probably had unrealistic expectations and hopes for both the 2023 Packers and Jordan Love's trajectory after Week 1. With that said, the main thing you look for in a young team is steady, if not linear improvement. So it's a bit concerning to see us basically regress week to week from every week since Week 1. That feels like coaching.

Of course. But I don't think most teams start a rookie QB with the expectation of winning a Super Bowl that year. There's usually some growing pains, and in some rarer cases, it's surprisingly rather seamless. But really, you're getting them those in-game reps that they need to get better. Wouldn't you say that, developmentally, a QB in general is going to benefit more from a season or two of live game reps, even if they struggle at first, as opposed to sitting on the sidelines for those years and only learning in practice?

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Stroud looks really good. Purdy looks amazing. Richardson looks like the real deal, he just can't stay healthy. I don't know why there's this perception that NFL quarterbacks need a huge learning curve and a long time to know if they're any good when clearly some indeed are good right away.

I think the biggest gripe I have with the QB approach they used is that they never seemed willing to make a decision. I get that they drafted Love with the intention of him being the guy, then Rodgers starts playing better, and so they backtrack. The extension for Rodgers was the beginning of the end, to me. If we were going to extend Rodgers, we needed to really, really commit to him, trade Love, and let Rodgers know he's the guy until he retires. Or if they really, really wanted to commit to Love, they had a haul waiting for them from Denver, and they'd be so much better off for it now. But Gute was scared, there's no other way to say it, and tried to play the fence. I don't know what this team is now, what their future is or even what their identity is. I can't name one single thing that Matt LaFleur does particularly well. Jordan will probably get one more shot in '24 and then that'll be it, but he has to be better, because it isn't going to be a cheap option. It isn't inconceivable that if we're picking top 5-10 next year and we feel like we have a shot at Maye or Ewers, we might take a swing.

Warner in 2000, Brady in 2002, Roethlisberger in 2005, Wilson in 2014, Mahomes in 2020. Doesn't seem comparatively that rare to me given the long career span of most Super Bowl QBs. And a number of others who were there but didn't win. This has been all the while that Mahomes and Brady have virtually had a monopoly on one of them appearing in the SB the last decade.

I don't think anyone claimed it's moreso than the past. My claim is that it makes MORE sense to have them starting early now, because you're benefitting from a cheap rookie QB contract and can invest heavily in the rest of the team, and by waiting on them, you're wasting that advantage. And while it may be true that QBs haven't won a SB on a rookie contract much since 2000, I'd counter with a few points: How much of that is purely circumstantial, rather than any indicator of it being a bad strategy? What about all the ones that went there but didn't happen to win? Hurts, Colin K, Russ one time, etc. How much of that is misleading because of Tom Brady constantly being in it? And what about teams that might not have won it but their development during those rookie contract QB years eventually resulted in one?

I don't mean to say that it's Love's fault or that he should be better now because of the 3 years. I don't blame him. I blame the organization. I think it's bad business. Nearly every organization with a competent heir these days gets them out onto the field and takes their lumps with them from the get-go. Yes, sometimes it can take a year or two, they'll often struggle at first, and that often depends a lot on whether they have the right pieces around them to succeed. Brock Purdy looks special, but put him on the Chicago Bears and I bet he looks a lot less special. I can see sitting behind a starter for 1 year, like Patrick Mahomes, then taking over, if it's the right situation. But for the most part, teams don't have rookies wait anymore. They throw them into the fire, and that's fine. They're not going to grow better not playing than playing, and meanwhile we sit here and bemoan the price tag of veteran QBs, while we could literally control that ourselves by taking a cue from other teams on how they handle young QBs and not making every Packer under 25 wear little kid gloves for their first few years in the league. It's an organizational inefficiency, IMO, and it's not *just* the QB holding a clipboard concept. They still clearly don't even trust Jordan right now. The man is in his 4th year and they're not willing to let him sling it. Anders Carlson was pulled off the field in Week 2 for what could have ended up being a difference making 56 yard FG after a delay of game penalty because "it was too far." It's all of that. Not to get too far off topic with that last point. But yeah, my main point is, you're wasting a young QBs time and wasting your own money by having them sit for years. And I get that Aaron's performance changed things in 2020 and 2021. But, they always knew he was nearing the end no matter what. They always took Jordan to be their guy, and when you have a long-term plan, you have to follow through on it. They had a shot after 2021 to send Aaron to Denver for a haul and set Jordan and the defense up with all of the pieces they would need to be successful for years to come. Love would now be in his 2nd season starting, be that much further along in his development and have some much stronger foundational pieces in place. Gute didn't pull the trigger, and now we ended up not even getting a single 1st.

Maybe not 3 but the scouting report/consensus on Love when he was picked is that he was an incredibly raw project who would require multiple seasons of development before he would be ready to start.

Then don't groom a guy for 3 years to be your next starting QB. It's an enormous waste of money because the biggest savings in the NFL is having a starting QB on a rookie contract.

He looks good in practice!

This is our guy, huh? He sucks.

Lol, what a dumb pass by Love.

Butterfingers Doubs followed by Butterfingers Musgrave.

Gotta take the ball with you Doubs.