adambr2

Hey, a turnover!

Hilarious thing is he could have been called for offsides on the next play. Move back. How hard is this for these guys?

Have yourself a drive, Gary.

We finally do an awesome 4th and 1 play and do our own version of a tush push instead of just going up there and barking and we still manage to screw it up.

How can we get so many holds/illegal blocks in the back on returns where we're not even actually making a return? Like, how does that even happen? You can't look for the ball and see that it's going to be fair caught or go out of bounds and restrain yourself?

Any Packer fan over the age of 35, you know exactly what play that last TD by the Chiefs before halftime reminded you of without me even having to say it.

Haven't read this yet. Just speculating that the word "Suter" is in the OP post twice or more.

Fickell is proving to be just about as gutless on the edge of FG range as Chryst was. Twice he passed on opportunities to try to tie this game.

I know we're bad...tough to see us being #1 bad though. More like #5-#8. I don't think Arizona will be #1 either. Getting Kyler back should make them better, or at least not the worst team in the league.

One thing to keep in mind this year too is that we are paying the bill that was always going to come due at some point from years of kicking salary down the road. You can only get away with the "cap isn't real" mentality for so long. Eventually, you have to pay the piper. But we shouldn't be hamstrung for too long.

Yeah, I have no idea what the Vikings are doing. No one in this division outside of the Lions should feel like they have a realistic chance to do anything this year. I would guess they gave up next to nothing for him and that's probably why. But they may as well have just waited to see what Hall can do.

Oh, I'll take it, don't get me wrong. We have a lot of holes to fill, so we need all the Day 1 and Day 2 picks that we can get. I expect us to add at least RB and I would not be surprised if one comes in the 3rd.

The good news is a 5th + Douglas for a 3rd is excellent compensation in theory. The bad news is that with our success rate in the 3rd we might as well take that extra pick and light it on fire.

They could be 1-6 as well.... But, point taken. They've only had two games where they weren't remotely competitive. I'd point out, though, that this is a 2-5 team against cupcakes plus the Lions. The Bears, Raiders, and Broncos are bad football teams. Other than the Lions the rest are average at best. I'd say there's probably one more win on the schedule before the two weeks against Detroit/KC which are almost assuredly losses and then probably 1-2 wins the rest of the way after that stretch. 4-13 or 5-12.

I'll be blunt. I hate his philosophy. No, I loathe his philosophy. I think it's a massive organizational inefficiency. I think it's inconsistent with any good business sense in the NFL. To me, with the salary cap in the NFL, it's essentially a game of "Moneyball" between 32 GMs. We all have this same amount to work with. So how can we be most efficient with it? Well, taking the length of one of your most valuable assets, the rookie contract, and cutting it by 50-75% because that's how long it takes your prospects to get up to speed, is not efficient. It is horribly inefficient. Look, it's no secret how important it is to get production out of rookie contracts. You can't build a good roster solely on the veteran market, it's just too expensive. So yes. IMO, "NFL-ready", should be a heavily weighted attribute for any rookie, and Gute not only doesn't value that trait, but he seems to seek out the opposite. So even when you finally start getting production out of your players like Gary, you had years from them where you were getting little to nothing. And I'm not knocking the Gary pick or saying it was bad, and I thought the extension was perfectly reasonable for the market, but that's the reality. You got little out of the rookie deal, now you have to pay market, and you can't build a good roster on all market deals. I'm not saying that every rookie needs to show up at rookie camp ready to be a big contributor from Day 1, but it sure needs to be valued a lot more than we are doing. And these rookies are out there, and they aren't all just guys you find in the top 10 of the first round. Amon Ra St Brown and Puka Nacua being two recent examples.

In addition to what I had already pointed out, Gute's original offer to Adams was under 20M per year before he actually made a reasonable effort to keep him when it was too late. Given his production and the state of the WR market both now and at the time, this is insulting low and it's no wonder that Adams ended up telling the Packers to pound sand. https://wisportsheroics.com/green-bay-packers-davante-adams-trade/ No matter how you dissect it, Gute dropped the ball big time in the 2022 offseason.

Same. I hope he gets traded today for no other reason than his next situation can't be any worse.

Jimmy G is like the veteran version of Jordan Love. Terrible offensive line, but also sucks.

I'm not sure we have either.

I think I'm pretty much out on Watson. Dude can't stay healthy and even when he can, there's no consistency. Doubs is ok, but he's never going to be your #1. He'll have a long career in the league, though. I like Reed. They probably need one more guy.

Given the really rough state and performance of the Packers post-Rodgers roster, such criticisms of Gutekunst seem like pretty reasonable opinions to me.

Felt like Love was a Gute pick and the other two were guys that MLF wanted for his offense. In any case, I agree that they were reaches.

I would have liked that a lot better. I think I'm less irritated about Love when it comes to the 2020 draft as I am about using Day 2 picks on dime a dozen a players like Dillon and Josiah Deguara.

Not a narrative, just the facts -- sorry Louis, Gute doesn't get a pass just because the events were independent of each other. It's your job as GM to have the pulse of both individual situations and be able to plan accordingly as to whether you're going to be able to keep the band together. You want to excuse him for being left holding the enormous Rodgers bag with no WR1 just because Adams asked out after the extension? Really? It was the worst possible outcome in that scenario, and Gutekunst absolutely mismanaged the situation, and that's been the opinion of numerous sportswriters, not just myself. By the way, Adams has since said he would have signed the extension to stay in Green Bay had it been earlier and not in the 11th hour.

I guess I'm looking for what Gute has really accomplished for us that would give anyone pause at moving on. The 2020, as I understand has been beaten to death, was an absolute disaster, and many of us felt that way about it well before we have the advantage of hindsight. I'm certainly not the most glass half-full, but when it comes to the draft I typically take the approach of, "well, let's wait and see." Not 2020. It made no sense. I'm not going to say it's impossible for Love to end up salvaging it, but early returns are obviously not good. I think the most damning indictment of Gute was his handling of the 2022 offseason. Everyone would have understood if he had gone all-in once more. Everyone would have understood if he wanted to turn the page and move forward with his guy, and take the huge haul for Rodgers while it was available to him. Instead he did NEITHER, signed Rodgers, then traded Adams and moved forward with a group of young receivers supplemented by Sammy Watkins, of all people. It was an inexplicable sequence of events and the results were another predictable disaster. What are Gute's big "wins"? Maybe Jaire, Jenkins and Gary, who took several years to get there? That's a pretty darn short list of big wins over a 5 year tenure given the severity of the mistakes.