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Alright, so I'm offering you Lindor, Jose Ramirez, and Corey Kluber for Yelich.

I could see an argument for Woodruff as an acceptable high end pitching prospect type. He's still got recent top 100 pedigree, he's got great stuff and he was dynamite for us late in the season and postseason. Who wouldn't want him? Now do I value him as much as Burnes no, but you're right, Woodruff is basically a high end pitching prospect as far as value is concerned. No way is anyone valuing Aguilar at Keston's level, though.

I'm all in on Ramos. I realize Realmuto is younger and superior, but parting with Hiura+ just is too counterproductive. Get Ramos on a 2 to 3 year deal, keep Hiura. Lineup by July: 1) Cain 2) Hiura 3) Yelich 4) Aguilar 5) Shaw 6) Braun/Santana 7) Ramos 8) Arcia Finally, the lineup without the black holes we've been waiting for.

I would just like to point out that, at the time we traded for Yelich, some people were equally dismayed at giving up what we gave up at the time, and we've got a lot different perspective now. I think I'm in the camp of, if you can get it done without Hiura and Burnes, go for it. If not, pass. As I said I think Peralta+Ray+Turang+Nottingham is probably the top offer I'd make and I think it's a fairly competitive one if the market doesn't end up being there for the Marlins to land a Robles/Tucker type. At the end of the day though, the Astros have all the leverage here in this market. They can dangle either of Tucker or Whitley out there and if they do that you pretty much just have to bow out and look at other options.

Are you taking control into account? No way I'd trade 4 years of Yelich for 1 year of Arenado.

Would you trade Yelich for Trout straight up?

Yelich being MVP this year has nothing to do with his comparative trade value of when we acquired him compared to Realmuto now. He was not perceived as an MVP candidate at the time. He was a 4 WAR type OF, well above average but not elite. Obviously, that's different now. Last year's trade market for Yelich also doesn't necessarily relate directly to Realmuto's now. Markets can vary greatly over time and sometimes even greatly from one position to another depending on demand for that position. Personally, I think Realmuto probably fetches less than what Yelich did, but it's not as far off as you're making it out to be. Realmuto probably gets a big position premium but takes a hit on the 2 years of control versus 5 for Yelich. They'll ask for Hiura for sure. Doesn't mean they'll get him and doesn't mean we can't get him without Hiura, but it's a totally reasonable ask for 2 reasonable cost years of a perennial 4 WAR catcher.

That's why the baseline of the Brewers package needs to be Aguilar and Nottingham. The Marlins get an All-Star first baseman, they get a young, controllable catcher. Two of their biggest needs are met. Being on a contender with a good friend may help the Crew extend Realmuto. Give the Marlins an answer at first base and a ready-made replacement for Realmuto, and then Dubon and some secondary pieces will be as good. But a Thames rebound and the continued development of Erceg/Gatewood compensates. Meeting needs means nothing to them. Ok maybe not nothing, but very little. They are way too early to be worried about that. They'll want quality, and what you're offering isn't nearly enough in that department.

Thanks, I was going off Spotrac info.

After the DeGrom/Syndergaard mania this year, it sounds like one ace that may actually be available is Corey Kluber. Kluber has an ideal amount of control left for his age being controllable through 2021 for $15, $15.5M, and $16M salaries. Sounds like the Indians may have some market constraints where they would ideally like to shed some payroll. That said, they're not tearing anything down, so they'll want high end talent near the MLB level. So forgot about headlining a deal with anyone but Hiura, and plan on including someone like Burnes, Peralta or Woodruff as well, for starters. Still, if you're totally in the Brewers need to acquire a true ace camp, it does sound like they'll seriously entertain offers. https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/11/2/18058096/mlb-trade-rumors-cleveland-indians-corey-kluber-carlos-carrasco-edwin-encarnacion

Huh? A solid defensive catcher with an OPS+ more than 90 for 4 of the last 5 years sounds pretty solid as long as you don't break the bank for him. Especially if the upside is 120+ OPS. The prediction was $12 million a year for three years. That's a lot of money, and he's coming off a big year in his contract season. I've been burned by the Jason Kendalls the Brewers have picked up. Lucroy won't be as big a risk, and I'd bet a return to Milwaukee could revive his bat. It worked with Jeff Cirillo. You have thrown out way, way worse hypothetical money of Mark A's before than 3/36 for Wilson Ramos. Jason Kendall is a very different situation than Ramos. 3 years older when we signed him for starters and not a good hitter at that point in his career. For every guy in their 30s who has a career rejuvenation from going back to their original team, there are 10 who are just done. I don't expect Lucroy to be different. It's not like he never wanted to leave here to begin with.

Really kind of odd that Moose would turn down a 1/15 option from us if his market really is 2/16. Unless he just already knew we weren't going to exercise 1/15 from our end either.

His OPS+ has been under 100 for three of the last five years - 91 in 2014, 66 in 2015, and 97 in 2017. He also missed time with an ACL injury. Those pose some risks. If the Crew goes free agent, bringing back Lucroy at 3 years, $9 million makes more sense. Perhaps the return to Milwaukee will make him regain his stroke, the way it did for Jeff Cirillo. He's also had a 121+ OPS in 2 out of the last 3 seasons, which is a more recent outlook. Even if he's only at 100-105, that's a nice upgrade. The injury concerns are legitimate, which is why I'd limit him to 100 starts or so with Pina getting 60. No interest in Lucroy whatsoever. He looks done and has been quite bad for 2 seasons now. Not even an offensive upgrade from Kratz. I'd rather just roll with Pina and Nottingham.

Was that a little "shot" at the end? The Reds made him feel wanted... Did the Brewers not do the same? Oh god, we don't need to parse every syllable of every sentence everyone says. If that was all he said, I would tend to wonder if there was more to it. In the context of everything he said though, especially about loving Milwaukee and Counsell and how much he's going to miss it, I agree there's nothing to it. Guy saw a good opportunity and took it. No different than any of us who have ever left a job for a similar one in a different location for various reasons.

I voted for Ramos. Mlbtraderumors.com has him projected for 3/36. I would gladly give him that if it meant hanging onto our trade capital. He hits almost as well as Realmuto, you don't lose any defense at all, and he isn't going to break the bank. What's not to like?

I'm sure that Miami would ask for that to begin with and I don't think we should do that, but I don't necessarily think we should just walk away after that ask, either. The market for Realmuto could be big, or maybe not. There are FA options available like Ramos and Grandal that a couple of potential suitors might look at first instead of Realmuto if they don't want to pay the prospect price. We know they were asking for a Robles quality prospect which is similar to Hiura in value, but no one was willing to give that in July or last year and I'm not sure why that will change now. Thing is, regardless of what the Marlins feel Realmuto is worth, they are not in a very good position of leverage with him. Everyone knows he wants out, and they know he's not going to re-sign with them. So they have 2 years to get the best possible deal for him. No doubt, his peak value is right now. No matter what he does in 2019 for the most part, his value won't be higher next year with just 1 year of control remaining. Hader...really? Come on man. I'm not a proponent of the whole "Stearns would hang up immediately"...but just no. Hader is one of the best relief pitchers in baseball, possibly one of the best pitchers in baseball. It's like having Andrew Miller with 5 years of team control and 2 years of $550k contracts. The only way his name should even come up is if it's the Mets discussing Degrom/Thor...and even then he's not moving. One thing many of you are missing with Realmuto is injury/performance risk. He's coming off a career year, in a catching depressed market, and at peak age. His trade value is probably about as high as it ever has been. I would personally argue it was higher at the deadline(when he had a 902 ops versus his full season 825 caused by a very mediocre 2nd half), but they missed that chance already. The only way he could increase his value is having a 900+ OPS type first half again. If he has a bad month in the first half, or gets hurt...his value would plummet. So no, it's not like they have all this leverage like they don't need to take the best offer. Not taking the best offer this offseason would be a dreadful decision for that franchise. Was all that addressed to me? Just confused because I agreed with about 95% of what you said.

I'm sure that Miami would ask for that to begin with and I don't think we should do that, but I don't necessarily think we should just walk away after that ask, either. The market for Realmuto could be big, or maybe not. There are FA options available like Ramos and Grandal that a couple of potential suitors might look at first instead of Realmuto if they don't want to pay the prospect price. We know they were asking for a Robles quality prospect which is similar to Hiura in value, but no one was willing to give that in July or last year and I'm not sure why that will change now. Thing is, regardless of what the Marlins feel Realmuto is worth, they are not in a very good position of leverage with him. Everyone knows he wants out, and they know he's not going to re-sign with them. So they have 2 years to get the best possible deal for him. No doubt, his peak value is right now. No matter what he does in 2019 for the most part, his value won't be higher next year with just 1 year of control remaining. They can wait and see what happens between now and the trade deadline but they have very little to gain and a lot to lose if he gets hurt or has a down season.

Perhaps, but for one year, it's not a killer. He pitched well in Milwaukee - I think DJ did well with him. So, why not take the risk, and have him? The pick, if he declines, is worth the risk. It's not worth paying a guy $12M or so over market for a pick that you'll never even get because he won't decline the QO. That would just be bad payroll management.

Who knows maybe his agent asked the Brewers if they would interested in exercising their end of the option and the Brewers let them know they wouldn't be........allowing Soria to be the one to opt out. Agreed, it can be argued that it's more advantageous to the player to be seen as the one turning down the deal. Either way, had no interest in either at these option prices anyway.

Vlad Jr. is going to be a little much but I don't see Whitley as an outrageous ask for 2 cheap years of control over a 4+ WAR player at a very shallow position. They were asking for Robles during the season. Realmuto is really, really good. I think we could get him, but Corey Ray plus some filler isn't going to get it done.

Realmuto's agent says he definitely expects him to be traded this offseason.

Miley was great for us, but there is no way we are making him a qualifying offer, and no way he is turning down 1 year/18M if it's on the table.

Also the problem with that is that Moustakas is not as good as Shaw nor as versatile.

Any Shaw trade speculation just makes no real sense to me. Good slugging lefty bat at 3rd, 4 WAR per season, top notch defense at 3rd and 1st, also versatile enough to play 2nd. 3 years of control, under 30. Only an 18.4% K rate. Isn't that someone we would be interested in acquiring if he was on a different team?

More news on Monty today. After reading this, reinforces even more that they should cut him. Aaron was hot," said one Packers coach. "And he had a right to be. He yelled, 'Take a (expletive) knee!' He was very, very mad." In the eyes of many of Rodgers' teammates, his ire was justifiable. According to more than a half-dozen Packers players and coaches who witnessed it, Montgomery had thrown a tantrum of his own on Green Bay's previous offensive series, becoming noticeably enraged on the sideline after being removed from the game. At least one player believed there was carryover from that incident to Montgomery's decision to disregard his coaches' instruction and return the kickoff. "They took him out (the previous drive) for a play and he slammed his helmet and threw a fit," one Packers player said. "Then (before the kickoff) they told him to take a knee, and he ran it out anyway. You know what that was? That was him saying, 'I'm gonna do me.' It's a (expletive) joke. "I mean, what the (expletive) are you doing? We've got Aaron Rodgers, the best I've ever seen, and you're gonna take that risk? I mean, it's '12'! All you gotta do is give him the ball, and you know what's gonna happen." #MichaelSilver #NFL