I think we continually trip over the save stat/closer label -- I think the thing to try to assess -- is "who is the better BP arm", Lidge or Torres -- If they are both entering games in high leverage situations. Upgrading a BP arm to be used in high leverage situations is probably going to net you some wins, I don't think that there is any doubt about that, of course the caveat though is ensuring that the "upgrade arm" is used in the right spots. I seem to recall, that upgrading a league average 1b, (e.g. Mike Jacobs) to Ryan Howard the year he won the MVP, was like a 4 win upgrade. I am pretty sure if a manager used his best arms in the highest leverage situations they could swing 4 wins a season pretty easily. For arguments sake, let's say that Brad Lidge is the best BP arm available -- if a manager used him 70 times a season in the highest leveraged places instead of a Brian Shouse (like Yost used him, not as an exclusive LOOGY), or Mota, I would bet you could get 4-5 wins -- at least until the actual scenarios unfolded. If used correctly, I'd gladly pay $10M for a BP stud, if I was ensured he'd not be used in the "by the book" manner. Part of me wonders if teams are hanging on to the whole "save scenario" for marketing reasons. I think teams like a fireballer coming in the 9th to K three guys even though the team has a 2-3 run lead. Brian Shouse "holding down the fort" isn't as exciting as ending the game on 3 K's. I think teams like the fans leaving the game on a high. EDIT: A team having a closer is sort of like the WWF that has the finisher move, to end the match -- same sort of fan reaction.