I'm not stating that if there is a big discrepancy in Hardy's numbers that it conclusively proves anything, just that I think there IS a big discrepancy there, contrary to what Russ is saying. I'm not saying there isn't a discrepancy, just that we can't assume it was a result of batting before Fielder (correlation doesn't automatically mean causation). If Hardy had stayed in the 3 spot he almost certainly would have seen his number go down anyway. I mean, he was on pace to hit 50 HRs or something ridiculous. Again, I can't prove anything either way but I'm not going to just give Fielder credit for inflating Hardy's or Braun's numbers. How come when shaky numbers support a given theory, they are embraced as proof but well done studies that go against traditional baseball thinking, are scoffed at? Kind of convenient, no? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif If anyone is curious, here's the 2006 averages by position in the batting order: [b] BA OBP SLG OPS[/b] #1 .279 .343 .418 .762 #2 .284 .345 .425 .769 #3 .284 .364 .485 .849 #4 .283 .371 .502 .874 #5 .280 .351 .477 .828 #6 .268 .329 .439 .769 #7 .267 .323 .426 .749 #8 .256 .321 .383 .704Really, the issue of protection is yet another baseball anomaly. That is, it makes perfect sense in reality, but not on paper. Just about all "traditional baseball thinking" makes perfect sense and sounds completely reasonable. That doesn't mean the net effect that's assumed is correct. A pitcher being distracted by a base stealer come to mind. It may be true that a pitcher gets distracted but why not also the batter? And if the batter is being distracted more, the net effect would be to actually help the pitcher. Or maybe, the pitcher decides to dig a little deeper and add a couple ticks to his fastball, since getting Braun out is that much more important. Anecdotally, we've all witnessed a pitcher give a little extra to try and get an important out.