Zack Greinke [Latest: Deal for Odorizzi/Cain/Escobar/Jeffress in place? reply 464]

[BrewCrewForever]

It does hurt to trade away all these prospects, but I give Doug Melvin a TON of credit. This team already has a fantastic offense and needed pitching bad. He went out got Marcum and now possibly Greinke. Talk about an upgrade. Major props to Doug Melvin. He is not messing around.

[sbrylski]

We have no firstbase man ready to take over for Prince next year if no extension is signed, Same with Weeks. So now we end up with holes in CF,SS,1B,and 2B.

 

Mat Gamel for first base. We are working to extend Weeks.

 

I really expect Mcghee production to go way down once Prince is gone.

 

Even if protection does exist, McGehee has always hit behind Fielder. I don't see what effect Fielder is having on McGehee.

 

If we sign Greinke and/or Marcum to extensions it will not give us much room to negotiate with free agents to fill our week areas.

 

So we can't fill holes because then we can't fill other holes?

[logan82]

I wouldn't mind the money going for pitchers as long as they are not getting CC or Lee size per year deals.

[Schlitz001]

I'll wait to for the official announcement before officially scratching my head, but right now it seems a little lopsided. Compare this trade to the Shaun Marcum. 2 years of Marcum = Brett Lawrie. 2 years of Greinke = Odorizzi, Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and we have to take on Bentancourt. Greinke is an ace and a Cy Young winner, but I wonder if we couldn't have obtained someone like Garza for a smaller price tag.

[bthurley19]

Even with Odorizzi included in this trade, this is a trade you make and don't look back. With the two first rounders in this summers draft and the likely picks for Prince next year the cupboard will not be bare for long. We really gave up no proven commodities for a bona fide ace. The reward, in this case, greatly outweighs the risk.

[Matt Breen]

maybe we can get Jason Kendall back in the deal to provide gritty leadership type stuff.

[MNBrew]

I think the Orlando Cabrera idea is a much better alternative than Betancourt. Not a world-beater move, but it'd fill a hole quite well.

 

He's still solid enough and has a mild version of the Hinske-esque mojo going since he's made it to the playoffs the past 4 years (Angels in '07, White Sox in '08, Twins in '09, Reds in '10).

[sbrylski]

I'll wait to for the official announcement before officially scratching my head, but right now it seems a little lopsided. Compare this trade to the Shaun Marcum. 2 years of Marcum = Brett Lawrie. 2 years of Greinke = Odorizzi, Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and we have to take on Bentancourt. Greinke is an ace and a Cy Young winner, but I wonder if we couldn't have obtained someone like Garza for a smaller price tag.

I think you might be incorrectly pushing together the two rumors. I don't think its fair quite yet to assume Betancourt is coming over.

 

One says: Greinke + Betancourt for Escobar + Cain + Jeffress

 

The other says: Greinke + "major league piece" for Odorizzi + Escobar + Cain + Jeffress

[logan82]

Even with Odorizzi included in this trade, this is a trade you make and don't look back. With the two first rounders in this summers draft and the likely picks for Prince next year the cupboard will not be bare for long. We really gave up no proven commodities for a bona fide ace. The reward, in this case, greatly outweighs the risk.

Those picks will not be ready any time soon. Best case scenario is they are ready June 2013. More likely is that anybody picked in the next draft wouldn't be ready until June 2014. This trade leaves a gap in talent and a bad year or 2.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Wow, if Melvin acquires Greinke, i will officially get off his case... anyone left on the FA market that we could acquire for SS or CF?

[ListachRides]

This trade is great news. I hate losing Odorizzi, but it's not as if he was surrounded by enough talent in our system that he marked the beginning of a dominant wave of Brewers' prospects. By the time Odorizzi was up, we were likely to be at least a few other pieces short and having this same debate over trading away some of the following wave of prospects. Opportunities to put a true World Series contender on the field don't come often. I like going for it.

[DannoMac21]

This trade is great news. I hate losing Odorizzi, but it's not as if he was surrounded by enough talent in our system that he marked the beginning of a dominant wave of Brewers' prospects. By the time Odorizzi was up, we were likely to be at least a few other pieces short and having this same debate over trading away some of the following wave of prospects. Opportunities to put a true World Series contender on the field don't come often. I like going for it.

This sums it up perfectly.

[brewmann04]

It doubtful that the brewers will not resign Weeks and he will have a boat load of draft picks in the next two years to rebuild the Minor Leagues. I guess SS now becomes a major need as well as starting pitching. The Crew has two picks in the top 15 in June 2011 so theyshould find two very good players.

[sbrylski]

This trade is great news. I hate losing Odorizzi, but it's not as if he was surrounded by enough talent in our system that he marked the beginning of a dominant wave of Brewers' prospects. By the time Odorizzi was up, we were likely to be at least a few other pieces short and having this same debate over trading away some of the following wave of prospects. Opportunities to put a true World Series contender on the field don't come often. I like going for it.

This sums it up perfectly.

I agree. And love the username, ListachRides.

[wishicouldhit]

I can't say I love including Odorizzi, Cain, Escobar, and Jeffress all in one deal. I would be much happier if either Odorizzi or Cain were excluded. However, none of those prospects are going to be way above average (e.i. Braun, Gallardo, or Fielder types).

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I love this trade, but I'm not convinced it is real.

[Viva La Grinch]

For those of you that need something to pass the time before Greinke becomes a brewer, here is a great article from SI just a couple of days ago from a KC reporter. Interesting nugget from the article was that KC almost took Fielder at six in that draft instead of Greinke because they were worried about his makeup back then too.

 

http://joeposnanski.si.co...eing-there-with-greinke/

[kramnoj]

I don't think there's any reason to expect this deal to include an extension. The players being traded are the cost of getting Greinke over any other team's offers. I also don't see Greinke signing an extension without having played in Milwaukee and knowing how competitive the team will be.

[MNBrew]

Current SP prospects frequently mentioned around here: Rogers, Rivas, Peralta, Heckathorn

 

Losing Odorizzi would hurt, but we're not without some other good talent coming up.

[Team Canada]

Even with Odorizzi included in this trade, this is a trade you make and don't look back. With the two first rounders in this summers draft and the likely picks for Prince next year the cupboard will not be bare for long. We really gave up no proven commodities for a bona fide ace. The reward, in this case, greatly outweighs the risk.

Those picks will not be ready any time soon. Best case scenario is they are ready June 2013. More likely is that anybody picked in the next draft wouldn't be ready until June 2014. This trade leaves a gap in talent and a bad year or 2.

Or, optimistically, we extend both Greinke and Marcum, and our rotation is awesome for the forseeable future until we have other players come up through the system.

[logan82]

Even with Odorizzi included in this trade, this is a trade you make and don't look back. With the two first rounders in this summers draft and the likely picks for Prince next year the cupboard will not be bare for long. We really gave up no proven commodities for a bona fide ace. The reward, in this case, greatly outweighs the risk.

Those picks will not be ready any time soon. Best case scenario is they are ready June 2013. More likely is that anybody picked in the next draft wouldn't be ready until June 2014. This trade leaves a gap in talent and a bad year or 2.

Or, optimistically, we extend both Greinke and Marcum, and our rotation is awesome for the forseeable future until we have other players come up through the system.

True but I think we are hoping for a lot asking for extensions for Weeks, Marcum and Greinke.

[ListachRides]

I agree. And love the username, ListachRides.

Thanks. Long-time fantasy team name.

[And That]

RyDogg66]But yeah, if this is true, I wont be checking in on the Power 50 much this season

Neither will I!

[Matt Breen]

The Royals may very well be set on trading Greinke to the NL to avoid facing him. KC, Toronto, Minnesota and Yanks were all considered teams that would have serious interest. Plus, we are giving them exactly what they want - two major league, controllable players (Cain and Escobar), one very close (Jeffress) and a top prospect (Odorizzi). And they are getting positions they need as they look toward 2012 as their future. Are these the BEST prospects they could get? Maybe not. Maybe they could get a couple of higher upside players. But maybe we gave the best combination of players that fit the Royals situation. And this lets KC get Greinke out of the AL for a couple of years. All the better for them.

[brewmann04]

the bewers according to the power 50 will lose their #2,3,5 prospects in this trade. The bad thing is there no SS prospect in the top 50 which get me very nervous heading into the 2011 season.