No 2015 contracts for Johnny Narron and Garth Iorg

[sauveb]

The scapegoats for 2014 have been identified. I would be curious to know what Iorg did wrong.

[torts]

The scapegoats for 2014 have been identified. I would be curious to know what Iorg did wrong.

 

[sarcasm]he probably petitioned to bring back yuni b for first base in 2015[/sarcasm]

[Bombers]

How Eddie "The windmill" Sedar still has a job is beyond me. Keep sending them eddie. Just keep sending them.

 

Here is a good example (Eddie isn't in the picture but Brewers writers confirmed Eddie sent Gomez) Yep, lets try and score from 2B on a flyball out to CF. Good work Eddie.

 

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_05_milmlb_bosmlb_1&mode=recap&c_id=bos#gid=2014_04_05_milmlb_bosmlb_1&mode=video

[patrickgpe]

Eddie has survived because he is Doug's eyes and ears on the coaching staff. its my only explanation.

 

(this is unfounded ofcourse, just a theory)

[Invader3K]

Eddie has survived because he is Doug's eyes and ears on the coaching staff. its my only explanation.

 

(this is unfounded ofcourse, just a theory)

He seems to be well liked by the players from what I've observed.

[TURBO]

Eddie has survived because he is Doug's eyes and ears on the coaching staff. its my only explanation.

 

(this is unfounded ofcourse, just a theory)

He seems to be well liked by the players from what I've observed.

 

Yup, that is the perefect reason to keep someone, the players like him... I would have to think that is why RRR was able to keep his job as well.

 

[Matt Breen]

Eddie has survived because he is Doug's eyes and ears on the coaching staff. its my only explanation.

 

(this is unfounded ofcourse, just a theory)

Larry Haney was considered by many to be a front office stooge in the 80s/90s. He was bullpen coach for years, and then pitching coach for a couple of years. He seemed to always seemed to survive managerial changes. I think he stayed on in some capacity with the team until Selig sold it.

 

I remember when Pete Vukovich was an announcer in the late 80s the story was that players would come to him instead of Haney (who was the pitching coach) for help because players didn't trust him.

[trwi7]

I understand why Narron was fired because somebody had to take the fall and offense collapsed down the stretch (but are we really surprised that Overbay/Reynolds couldn't hit, Davis was hurt, Braun was hurt, Ramirez was probably worn down due to age etc.)

 

Iorg getting let go is weird. It's like they discussed it and decided one coach wasn't enough so they put Iorg, Sedar, Tunnell, and Shelby names in a hat, picked one and whoever got picked got fired.

[jerichoholicninja]

[sarcasm]I'm glad Mark and Doug put their heads together and finally found the culprits for last season's collapse.[/sarcasm]

 

(If there was a throwing up emoticon, I would place it right here.)

[Matt Breen]

[sarcasm]I'm glad Mark and Doug put their heads together and finally found the culprits for last season's collapse.[/sarcasm]

 

(If there was a throwing up emoticon, I would place it right here.)

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing-smiley-emoticon.gif

[Mike2k33]

Personally, I'm rather indifferent towards today's news. This has Doug Melvin written all over it. Once it was announced that Doug wasn't leaving I kind of suspected we'd see a "Stan Kyles" approach to any coaching changes. I'm just surprised it was Iorg instead of the other Narron.

 

To those who wanted Roenicke fired, what specifically did he do/not do to have you call for his job? What specific things would you have wanted the team to look for in a replacement?

[TURBO]

[sarcasm]I'm glad Mark and Doug put their heads together and finally found the culprits for last season's collapse.[/sarcasm]

 

(If there was a throwing up emoticon, I would place it right here.)

 

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n136/turborickey/4196aeb8a394e-1.jpg

[trwi7]

Actually, thinking about it now, I'm pretty sure they got rid of Iorg because there's no point in having a 1st base coach when nobody is ever on base.

[jerichoholicninja]

To those who wanted Roenicke fired, what specifically did he do/not do to have you call for his job?

 

This has been talked about repeatably here:

 

...his horrible aggressive baserunning philosophy

...his horrible bullpen management

...his horrible "every starter goes 100 pitches" routine

...his love for washed-up veterans over, well everybody else

...his ho-hum attitude toward horrible baserunning mistakes

...his lack of accountability for players who do things that little leaguers know better than to do

...his starting a guy because he's 2 for 4 vs a pitcher in his career instead of a guy who's clearly the better player

...the squeeze bunt

...the contact play

...the infield in

...Mark Kotsay in CF

...Yuni at first base after the season is over and there are younger options

...Overbay/Reynolds at first base after the season is over and there are younger options

[brewmann04]

Only two coaches i am very shocked at this and no other moves made. Time to see what players will be next.

[craigharmann]

Can't say I'm surprised. I guess the other guys passed their evaluations.

[1992casey]

How Eddie "The windmill" Sedar still has a job is beyond me.

 

The first and third base coaches have jobs other than simply being on the field. I don't know who does what, but I'd guess that whatever Eddie did in his other roles was deemed to be satisfactory or better. Along with that, I'd surmise that decisions to send runners were very much a function of managerial philosophy.

[SRB]

Eddie has survived because he is Doug's eyes and ears on the coaching staff. its my only explanation.

 

(this is unfounded ofcourse, just a theory)

He seems to be well liked by the players from what I've observed.

 

Yup, that is the perefect reason to keep someone, the players like him... I would have to think that is why RRR was able to keep his job as well.

 

 

Seems like a pretty good reason to keep a 3B coach, whose impact on the team's winning percentage must be close to zero. If Sedar has any positive impact on team morale (and he seems very popular with the players), it's more than worth the 1-2 times per season that he gives a bad run signal.

[brewmann04]

Seems like RR has already subnitted names to the Fo for Hitting coach

[danzig6767]

Seems like RR has already subnitted names to the Fo for Hitting coach

 

It won't matter who replaces Narron if most of the same hitters are brought back and Braun's surgery doesn't help his thumb.

[JohnBriggs12]

It's not about the jobs done by Iorg and Narron, it's about getting some younger coaches.

 

Iorg turns 60 tomorrow. Narron turns 64 in a couple months. They need a coach or two who's played in the last 10-15 years.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

If the problem with Sedar was his 3B coaching, they can move him back to 1B and still utilize his work with field positioning, etc. My guess is he was under orders to be aggressive at third, so the question may really go to RR and DM what they want in that coaches box in 2015.

[brewcrewdue80]

Not in the mood to look it up but Nate? Are you DM?

I feel like your proclamation that the team won't fire Roenicke and Melvin stays, and Narron plus another coach will be the only moves done with the staff this offseason...Just came to fruition.

 

Maybe it wasn't Nate but I feel like it was.

 

Meanwhile, how does everyone feel 2015 will play being Roenicke's final year on contract after 2014's collapse?

He's likely to be the 1st on the Hott Seat the moment the season begins. I'll guess he'll be gone before the AS Break. 2015 is about to be an even bigger disaster than this year because they kept Roenicke.

He doesn't have control of the team now. He sure wont in a Hott Seat final year in contract season!

Please DM/MA trade 4-8players this offseason just to give me a reason to pay attention in 2015!

[brewmann04]

I am sorry but both DM and RR might be playing their last season in Brewer town in 2015.

[nate82]

I am sorry but both DM and RR might be playing their last season in Brewer town in 2015.

 

Regardless of how well the Brewers play next season I think it will be his last. I believe Melvin retires after next season. If MA wanted to keep DM longer he will extend him this off season but I believe Counsell is the next Brewers GM. I think the things that have happened so far this year have taken a toll on Melvin.

 

This may or may not be RR's last year it probably will be if the Brewers don't make the playoffs next year especially if the team is horrible next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sveum brought back as the manager though I think this would be a mistake because of the team quitting on him from the end of the 2012 season through the 2013 season.