Too Early 2023 Ideas (or beyond)

[DR28]

So nobody believes in Drury? Dude could have finally figured things out.

I would take Drury over the production at 3B we received last year.

[Robocaller]

4 hours ago, DR28 said:

So nobody believes in Drury? Dude could have finally figured things out.

I would take Drury over the production at 3B we received last year.

I see little improvement over what we had at 3B, I don't think he's a guy you want to be playing 3B for many more years. No strong feelings against him, just that he doesn't move the needle.

[jay87shot]

The Mariners just gave up Erik Swanson and a lower rated prospect for Teoscar Hernandez. Hernandez and Hunter Renfrow are extremely similar players. I would definitely trade Renfroe for a similar package, an 8th inning reliever with like 3 years of control and a projectable rising prospect.

[titletownking]

Just now, jay87shot said:

The Mariners just gave up Erik Swanson and a lower rated prospect for Teoscar Hernandez. Hernandez and Hunter Renfrow are extremely similar players. I would definitely trade Renfroe for a similar package, an 8th inning reliever with like 3 years of control and a projectable rising prospect.

And to get out from that arb raise, frees up some $ to pursue a different bat or swing some trades. 

[jay87shot]

18 hours ago, DR28 said:

So nobody believes in Drury? Dude could have finally figured things out.

I would take Drury over the production at 3B we received last year.

Drury is likely more like the Pads version from last year than Reds version. For a few million a year I would go after him, but anything more than 2/8 or so I would just rather have Jace back.

[jay87shot]

Renfroe to Rangers for Jose LeClerc and Emiliano Teodo would be interesting. Maybe get a few million from Tex to cover a potential buyout of LeClerc. Leclerc has less team control and is owed more but getting a better prospect like Teodo would makeup for that. Maybe add in Gustave if need be.

[DR28]

Uhh hell yes!

[jay87shot]

I like Walsh, I would value him more than 2022 but far less than 2021. Maybe Rowdy for Walsh and a prospect or bullpen arm. Maybe for Tyrone Taylor straight up.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I like Walsh, I would value him more than 2022 but far less than 2021. Maybe Rowdy for Walsh and a prospect or bullpen arm. Maybe for Tyrone Taylor straight up.

I'm not sure Walsh is an upgrade over Rowdy, particularly the version of Rowdy we're likely to get next season with the shift ban and a reversion to the mean for his BABIP. Walsh had an outstanding 2021, no doubt, but the underlying numbers weren't great, and he followed that up by striking out 30% of the time this year. Compare that to Rowdy's 20% K rate the past two years....

[Redd Vencher]

5 hours ago, DR28 said:

Uhh hell yes!

You do know MLB Marathon just makes rumors up for engagement, right?

[DR28]

7 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

You do know MLB Marathon just makes rumors up for engagement, right?

Who cares, something to talk about.

[jay87shot]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/marlins-trade-rumors-trevor-rogers-pablo-lopez.html

Marlins could potentially trade Trevor Rogers. If we ended up trading Burnes or Woody I would definitely be interested. I would guess the Marlins would want a price much closer to his rookie season value than last year however. Also we have been burning the Marlins in transactions for a while so they might be leary. I would give up Ruiz, mid level prospect, and lesser big league piece (Taylor, Huira, Houser, pen piece) for him in a heart beat. I feel like he can ve a lefty version of Woodruff if healthy.

[DR28]

Dom Smith?? He’s gonna be FA tonight.

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Dom Smith?? He’s gonna be FA tonight.

.2 Career WAR. 0 HRs last season in 152 PAs. Essentially limited to first base, and not a great one at that. No thanks. 2020 looks like a short-season fluke. 

[jay87shot]

It hasn't been brought up here alot but what about the Twins as a trade partner for Burnes, Woody, or even Willy. They have a bunch of money under there project salary and have a solid farm system. In the past they have acquire a bunch of #3 ceiling type pitchers (Gray, Meada, Archer, Bundy, Pineada, Paddack, Hill, Odirizzi), maybe they wise up and go for a #1 to pair with Joe Ryan.

They have Jose Miranda, Brooks Lee, Emmanuel Rodriguez,  Jhoan Duran, and Royce Lewis as higher end prospects. Matt Wallner, Simeon Woods Richardson, Matt Canterino, and Edouard Juilien as near top 100 prospcts (if not in on some lists). With a slew of interesting pieces to round out the group, not to mention some veterens and young players who could be included as well.

Woody for Woods-Richardson, Julien, Matt Canterino, Chris Paddack, and Griffin Jax

They get a high end star we get 2 high end arms, a future 2B to pair with Turang and 2 solid arms for the year (if Paddack is healthy).

Burnes and Tellez for Lee, Rodriguez, Woods-Richardson, Canterino, and Jax

Obviously we don't need Rodriguez but if we make a trade to aquire someone and add an OF or 2 this could make sense. We get two superstar potential bat, 2 high end arms, and a pen option. Twins give up a ton of prospects but Rowdy would allow Miranda to move to 3rd and play some 1st/DH and allow Arreaz to move around.

[jay87shot]

I am going to role with this Twins idea for a bit.

Lauer for Alex Kiriloff and PTBNL     Twins continue that gathering of 3/4 pitchers, I am think of Kiriloff as a 1B, the Twins have Kepler, Buxton, Larnach, Gordon, Wallner, and Celestino in the OF and Miranda and Arreaz at 1st.

Lauer for Eduoard Julien    One of the biggest rising prospects after .300/.441/.490 with 17hr and 19 sb (not to mention a sensational afl. He would fit into a future 2B by the end of the year or for 2024.

Lauer for Matt Canterino and Sean Mooney    We get 2 younger high potential arms, I would guess the past 2 would be if we don't trade Burnes/Woody and add some solid pen/vet arm.

Luis Urias for Chris Paddack and a ptbnl (quality maybe depending on Paddack health)   This would be if we trade a starter or 2 and acquire a 3B. Urias would help the Twins at 3B and help protect SS a bit if Lewis gets hurt or hits a speed bump. We get a young pitcher with a little bit of a risk with some upside.

Wong for Austin Martin  I doubt the Twins move Polanco to 3B, SS, or trade him, but this might work if they do. Martin is buried behind Lee and Royce Lewis and we would get a former #5 pick and top 50 prospect last year for a year of Wong.

Devin Williams for Simeon Woods-Richardson, Jovani Moran, and Alex Kiriloff, 

I know that we are highly unlikely to move Devin but in this case we get a young reliever, solid starting prospect, and a 1st baseman. This only works if we acquire a couple back end options on top of Moran.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I am going to role with this Twins idea for a bit.

Lauer for Alex Kiriloff and PTBNL     Twins continue that gathering of 3/4 pitchers, I am think of Kiriloff as a 1B, the Twins have Kepler, Buxton, Larnach, Gordon, Wallner, and Celestino in the OF and Miranda and Arreaz at 1st.

Lauer for Eduoard Julien    One of the biggest rising prospects after .300/.441/.490 with 17hr and 19 sb (not to mention a sensational afl. He would fit into a future 2B by the end of the year or for 2024.

Lauer for Matt Canterino and Sean Mooney    We get 2 younger high potential arms, I would guess the past 2 would be if we don't trade Burnes/Woody and add some solid pen/vet arm.

Luis Urias for Chris Paddack and a ptbnl (quality maybe depending on Paddack health)   This would be if we trade a starter or 2 and acquire a 3B. Urias would help the Twins at 3B and help protect SS a bit if Lewis gets hurt or hits a speed bump. We get a young pitcher with a little bit of a risk with some upside.

Wong for Austin Martin  I doubt the Twins move Polanco to 3B, SS, or trade him, but this might work if they do. Martin is buried behind Lee and Royce Lewis and we would get a former #5 pick and top 50 prospect last year for a year of Wong.

Devin Williams for Simeon Woods-Richardson, Jovani Moran, and Alex Kiriloff, 

I know that we are highly unlikely to move Devin but in this case we get a young reliever, solid starting prospect, and a 1st baseman. This only works if we acquire a couple back end options on top of Moran.

Not only doesn't that Devin trade not make sense given that he has three whole years of control left, but it's also not even close to enough for one of the best relievers in baseball. The Twins would have to give us Rodriguez, Julien, or Lewis to make a trade worth it. And even then, we'd be decimating our bullpen. 

 

[LouisEly]

On 10/2/2022 at 6:07 PM, LouisEly said:

Taylor is a great 4th OF and as a RHH will make a good platoon/PH complement for the LHH's Mitchell and Frelick.

While not popular, I would not be surprised if they trade Renfroe.  Only one year of control left and will likely get a significant arbitration raise.  I don't think the Brewers like to let assets expire.  Saving Renfroe's arbitration raise will allow them to bring in a free agent OF along with what they can get in trade value.  I think they'd try to get a major league piece in return with more than one year of control, likely a setup man or long reliever/swingman.

Bump

[DR28]

With the Renfroe trade, would love to see us bring back Haniger... He would be a perfect fit in RF.

[Robocaller]

When do we trade Wong and Hiura, and what do we get for them?

[Robocaller]

4 hours ago, DR28 said:

With the Renfroe trade, would love to see us bring back Haniger... He would be a perfect fit in RF.

He'd be a good call on a 1-year contract. But do you think they're willing to pay for him?

[DR28]

1 hour ago, Robocaller said:

He'd be a good call on a 1-year contract. But do you think they're willing to pay for him?

I hope so! We need a RF’r now.

[Robocaller]

9 minutes ago, DR28 said:

I hope so! We need a RF’r now.

His name is Tyrone Taylor. Or Garrett Mitchell if Frelick is our CF.

[DR28]

15 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

His name is Tyrone Taylor. Or Garrett Mitchell if Frelick is our CF.

T doesnt hit or get on base enough to be our everyday RF.

[Robocaller]

On 11/23/2022 at 6:15 PM, DR28 said:

T doesnt hit or get on base enough to be our everyday RF.

Then you better hope Frelick and Mitchell both hit well as rookies.