Too Early 2023 Ideas (or beyond)

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

19 hours ago, Hopper said:

Please don't start the Gallo talks again.  I was so happy we were not in on him at the deadline last year.

He just isn't a guy we should want anything to do with.

It would be just my luck that they'll jettison a guy I hate watching hit (Hiura) only to replace him with someone who is basically the LHH version of Hiura. At least Gallo is a quality defender, so he has that going for him.

[Ro Mueller]

On 9/5/2022 at 1:21 AM, jay87shot said:

Any ideas on finding a solid catcher? I had thought a month ago that Caratini/Severino/Feliciano/Reetz would be solid but I am not so sure now. Also maybe Narvaez could be back for 1/4 or 5.

Danny Jansen would be an interesting lower cost home town option to platoon with Victor.

MJ Melendez would be interesting, Salvy Perez isn't going anywhere. Weimer or Mitchell for Melendez would be a win/win.

Manny Pina could be a option as well with Atlantas duo.

James McCann if NYM eats his contract.

I am sure we could find a good young catcher in a Burnes or Woody deal.

 

Jansen seems like the logical guy. We need a catcher and RHH power bat. He’s from Appleton West. Make the move, Mr. Arnold.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, damuelle said:

Jansen seems like the logical guy. We need a catcher and RHH power bat. He’s from Appleton West. Make the move, Mr. Arnold.

We might be able to buy out one or two of his FA years while we're at it. Would absolutely love that move. 

[Oxy]

Would Mitchell, Ruiz, Ethan Small and maybe Russell Smith be enough to pry Bryan Reynolds away from the Pirates?

[Hopper]

1 hour ago, Oxy said:

Would Mitchell, Ruiz, Ethan Small and maybe Russell Smith be enough to pry Bryan Reynolds away from the Pirates?

I hope not, we don't need another outfielder, we just don't.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, Hopper said:

I hope not, we don't need another outfielder, we just don't.

Reynolds wouldn't be just another outfielder. He is what the absolute ceiling of someone like Mitchell or Frelick would be. That would be a "go for it" type move if I ever saw one. 

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, Oxy said:

Would Mitchell, Ruiz, Ethan Small and maybe Russell Smith be enough to pry Bryan Reynolds away from the Pirates?

Add Wiemer and Turang and you're almost there.

 

[Hopper]

28 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Reynolds wouldn't be just another outfielder. He is what the absolute ceiling of someone like Mitchell or Frelick would be. That would be a "go for it" type move if I ever saw one. 

meh, Reynolds is over-rated imo.

He didn't have a great year last season, and in no way is he worth what it would cost to get him.

I'd rather roll with the rookies than spend what it would cost in prospects to get Reynolds.  Plus, some of the big teams are now in on him, so we can cross him off the list.

[jay87shot]

I wouldnt mind Reynolds but he is turning into a LF quickly which doesn't work. We would also like need to overpay, my guess is that it would need to be Frelick/Weimer, Mitchell/Ruiz, and the Pirates chose of 2 pitchers which seems like to much.

 

I read that the Padres where in on Christian Vasquez. I know we have done a ton of business with them but Aaron Nola or Luis Campusano would both be nice options.

[Brewcrew82]

This crap never ends....

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This crap never ends....

Holy hell that's terrible.

2 of Henderson, Holliday, Rodgriguez or gtfo.

[titletownking]

When do we see this team go for it? I mean really go for it. Push all the chips in, trade meaningful prospects for big additions at the deadline. I would bet next year is the target. Young bats should have had a full season under them, elite pitching doesn’t come around often and sure they could move them for a decent haul but it would be nice to go all in just once. 

[Oxy]

3 hours ago, titletownking said:

When do we see this team go for it? I mean really go for it. Push all the chips in, trade meaningful prospects for big additions at the deadline. I would bet next year is the target. Young bats should have had a full season under them, elite pitching doesn’t come around often and sure they could move them for a decent haul but it would be nice to go all in just once. 

To take your question literally, it's been 12 years...trading the farm for Greinke and Marcum and holding onto Fielder up until free agency.  That was fun...but the last 5 years and next 5 years is way more fun...if it isn't it's only cuz...somehow...Brewer fans are...spoiled???? that cant be...

[jay87shot]

If we were to push all in and trade all our prospects and max salary, our roster and resources would still be way below the likes of the big market teams. Look at the Rangers, the have spend more in free agency the past year in a month then we have in our entire franchise in free agency. (and I would guess it would would be multiple times). Say we trade 3/4 prospects for Reynolds and 3/4 for Murphy and sign a couple big name relievers. Our team looks better but still not up to a team like the Dodgers, heck we wouldn't look as good as the Angels on offense.

By keeping a strong team that can be in the playoffs every year and then having a chance it keeps us from being the Pirates and risking a rebuild and it never working. If the Brewers went threw another 10+ year stretch like the 90's to early 2000's of garbage baseball a move out of Milwaukee could be possible,

[jay87shot]

Jameson Tallion (4/68) and Taijuan Walker (4/72) just got huge deals. Both are iffy 3's solid 4's, does this sky rocket a pitcher like Eric Lauer's value. Essentially both of those guys are the same pitcher as Lauer 93-95 with a 5 pitch mix, Walker was a little better this year, but the arguement could be made that Lauer has been better than both. I understand Lauer's FIP and other advanced stats say he is worse than his base results, but combining the past 2 years look at the results.

Lauer=   21/22 ERA=3.19 and 3.69 277.1 innnings 274 k's/100 bb 3.7 WAR (that's with Lauer not starting the first month or 2 in 21')

Walker=   21/22 ERA= 4.47 and 3.49  316 innings 278 k/90 bb 3.1 WAR

Tallion=   21/22 ERA=  4.30 and 3.91  321.2 innings 291 k/76 bb 3.5 WAR

So Lauer's command is a little below but he is also 3/4 years younger and the other two have had serious arm injuries. If those guys are worth 17/18 million for 4 years and Lauer has 2/13 or so in arby shouldn't Lauer have an excess value of 20-25 or so million. That should get us a lot more than I was thinking, or are those two free agents just drastically overpaid.

[StearnsFTW]

12 hours ago, titletownking said:

When do we see this team go for it? I mean really go for it. Push all the chips in, trade meaningful prospects for big additions at the deadline. I would bet next year is the target. Young bats should have had a full season under them, elite pitching doesn’t come around often and sure they could move them for a decent haul but it would be nice to go all in just once. 

I would make a massive bet that next year will not be the year.

I will be completely shocked if both Burnes and Woodruff are Brewers in 24.

Unless you meant this coming season at the trade deadline or something, then I would just be "surprised".

All-in is not the way this front office does business. 

[wibadgers23]

18 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

I would make a massive bet that next year will not be the year.

I will be completely shocked if both Burnes and Woodruff are Brewers in 24.

Unless you meant this coming season at the trade deadline or something, then I would just be "surprised".

All-in is not the way this front office does business. 

Yeah the Brewers haven’t really had an “all-in” move since they traded for Yelich and signed Cain on the same day and that was almost 5 years ago now. Prior to that it was Greinke in 2011. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

[DR28]

I guess cost on Murphy is super high... Thoughts on trading for James McCann?

[wntrtxn21]

3 hours ago, DR28 said:

I guess cost on Murphy is super high... Thoughts on trading for James McCann?

The same 33 year old James McCann that hit .195/.257/.538, is often injured, and is going to make $24.5M over the next two years? I don't think Milwaukee would have any interest at all. 

[jay87shot]

On 12/7/2022 at 4:06 PM, wntrtxn21 said:

The same 33 year old James McCann that hit .195/.257/.538, is often injured, and is going to make $24.5M over the next two years? I don't think Milwaukee would have any interest at all. 

I think McCann would be a last resort type guy, if we trade for him the Mets would have to eat basically all of his salary. I have always liked McCann, however he won't be much of an upgrade from Narvaez last year even if he rebounds more to the Tigers version than the CWS version.

I would prefer Zunino or Tucker Barnhart as last resort type catchers as well. 

[RWeeksFan23]

One guy's name I haven't seen mentioned is Craig Kimbrel; I think he'd be a good target for us.

I know he's coming off a down season for his standards, but even in a down season he still was servicable. 

Strikeout rate down but still good. 

We could really use a late-inning arm; other than Devin Williams there's not much there to feel comfortable about with our bullpen.

[brewmann04]

we going to bring back Manny

[nate82]

I was thinking maybe a trade with the White Sox for Grandal.  Something like Grandal, Kath and cash for Hiura/Bello/Lutz/Whitley/Kahle.

Depending on how much the White Sox kick in they would get a better player than what is in the list now.  But at about $5-8m you could include two of the players in the list and it would be about a fair trade. 

Brewers get more offense at the catcher position without sacrificing good prospects and the White Sox get out of the Grandal contract and free up some money for other free agents.  At $5m the Brewers are only taking on about $13m of Grandals contract for '23.  Maybe they need more and that would eliminate Kath from the trade.  Kath is a high strikeout 3B who is very solid defensively at 3B. The biggest problem with him are the K's but he is still very young so there is still time for him to improve. 

[RWeeksFan23]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

I was thinking maybe a trade with the White Sox for Grandal.  Something like Grandal, Kath and cash for Hiura/Bello/Lutz/Whitley/Kahle.

Depending on how much the White Sox kick in they would get a better player than what is in the list now.  But at about $5-8m you could include two of the players in the list and it would be about a fair trade. 

Brewers get more offense at the catcher position without sacrificing good prospects and the White Sox get out of the Grandal contract and free up some money for other free agents.  At $5m the Brewers are only taking on about $13m of Grandals contract for '23.  Maybe they need more and that would eliminate Kath from the trade.  Kath is a high strikeout 3B who is very solid defensively at 3B. The biggest problem with him are the K's but he is still very young so there is still time for him to improve. 

Grandal really fell off a cliff last year. Prior to that though, looking at his WAR each season, didn't realize just how valuable he's been.

[DR28]

2 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

we going to bring back Manny

God no... MA needs to do better than a Caratini/Pina platoon.