Sal Frelick gets the call

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I doubt it.

Who knows. Miami has absolutely tanked since the FO sent Eury Perez down to avoid Super 2. 

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, brooks_quichenick said:

You doubt that manipulating service time, which has famously pissed off a number of MLB players in the past, would piss off the Brewers clubhouse that seemingly loves Wiemer? On top of that being a dumb baseball decision, it doesn't make sense to sour relations between the FO and clubhouse after last year's deadline issues.

I think Weimer doesn't hit.  There is more than enough justification to send him down and every player in that clubhouse knows it.  Gaining another year of service time is the opposite of a bad baseball decision.  I think the clubhouse would love whomever is productive with the bat in center field considering Frelick is probably just as good with the glove.  I think winning is the top priority for everyone there and if Weimer can benefit from a couple of weeks in the minors to straighten out his offense, I think every single player the clubhouse would understand.  Having said that, I'd much rather see Tapia gone.

[82brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Who knows. Miami has absolutely tanked since the FO sent Eury Perez down to avoid Super 2. 

OK, any real proof those things are related?

[brooks_quichenick]

2 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I think Weimer doesn't hit.  There is more than enough justification to send him down and every player in that clubhouse knows it.  Gaining another year of service time is the opposite of a bad baseball decision.  I think the clubhouse would love whomever is productive with the bat in center field considering Frelick is probably just as good with the glove.  I think winning is the top priority for everyone there and if Weimer can benefit from a couple of weeks in the minors to straighten out his offense, I think every single player the clubhouse would understand.  Having said that, I'd much rather see Tapia gone.

Service-time manipulation isn't a baseball decision. It's money. Luckily the Brewers FO isn't dumb enough to do that, at least yet, because Tapia got DFA'd. Wiemer has a 1.4 fWAR and is an elite defender, it would be quite silly to send him down if we're trying to win ballgames.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

OK, any real proof those things are related?

Who knows but sending down a player in a clear service time manipulation move is certainly something that could rub a team the wrong way. 

[Frisbee Slider]

Tapia has been below replacement level. Wiemer is above replacement level. Seems like the right choice.

[MVP2110]

5 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Service-time manipulation isn't a baseball decision. It's money. Luckily the Brewers FO isn't dumb enough to do that, at least yet, because Tapia got DFA'd. Wiemer has a 1.4 fWAR and is an elite defender, it would be quite silly to send him down if we're trying to win ballgames.

Was sending Turang down for a couple weeks a dumb decision? He's also an elite defender who has struggled with the bat. If Wiemer was tearing it up I'd agree with you but sending him to AAA for a few weeks could actually benefit him & the team

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, MVP2110 said:

Was sending Turang down for a couple weeks a dumb decision? He's also an elite defender who has struggled with the bat. If Wiemer was tearing it up I'd agree with you but sending him to AAA for a few weeks could actually benefit him & the team

And would benefit the team in the long run, which is absolutely a baseball decision.

[Matt Breen]

Love to see Frelick at top of lineup. Move Yelich down. Enough of Miller in the cleanup spot.

[Frisbee Slider]

Does Wiemer have such an obvious replacement that would be an improvement? I’m fine with Joey batting ninth and running balls down in CF.

[duewizard]

I would much rather have one extra year of Wiemer than have him right now when he can't hit. 

[brooks_quichenick]

4 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Was sending Turang down for a couple weeks a dumb decision? He's also an elite defender who has struggled with the bat. If Wiemer was tearing it up I'd agree with you but sending him to AAA for a few weeks could actually benefit him & the team

Turang has struggled far more at the plate than Wiemer, he's currently at a 0.0 fWAR. I just think it doesn't make a lick of sense to send down arguably the best defensive CF in the National League when he's been well above replacement level.

[MVP2110]

2 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Turang has struggled far more at the plate than Wiemer, he's currently at a 0.0 fWAR. I just think it doesn't make a lick of sense to send down arguably the best defensive CF in the National League when he's been well above replacement level.

Frelick is nearly as good of a defender in CF. Wiemer hasn't been good with the bat so I think it's fair to assume Frelick atleast wouldn't be a downgrade. I just don't think sending Wiemer down for 2 weeks will substantially hurt the team in any way and has the potential to actually help the team if Wiemer can figure his swing out while also having the added benefit of the Brewers gaining an extra year of control

[umphrey]

I've heard some people say this feels forced with his poor numbers on the year. But I'm told he's been doing well lately and this could be a short stay at the MLB level if it doesn't work, so I'm all for it. I think seeing MLB pitching for at least a few weeks would be good for him. Or hopefully he just hits 300 and stays. 

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Frelick is nearly as good of a defender in CF. Wiemer hasn't been good with the bat so I think it's fair to assume Frelick atleast wouldn't be a downgrade. I just don't think sending Wiemer down for 2 weeks will substantially hurt the team in any way and has the potential to actually help the team if Wiemer can figure his swing out while also having the added benefit of the Brewers gaining an extra year of control

Also, as someone pointed out earlier, Perkins has been an elite defender.  He can also play a very good CF and not hit.  They have viable replacements.

[StearnsFTW]

38 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Good way to piss off the clubhouse

Could tell em to grow up I suppose.

 

I wouldn't do it because it weakens the team but I wouldn't care about pissing off the clubhouse.

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, umphrey said:

I've heard some people say this feels forced with his poor numbers on the year. But I'm told he's been doing well lately and this could be a short stay at the MLB level if it doesn't work, so I'm all for it. I think seeing MLB pitching for at least a few weeks would be good for him. Or hopefully he just hits 300 and stays. 

Clearly a short term tryout to see if they can fill a hole before the deadline and focus assets elsewhere.

[Matt]

14 minutes ago, duewizard said:

I would much rather have one extra year of Wiemer than have him right now when he can't hit. 

Wiemer isn't a guy you worry about manipulating service time with. 

[wiguy94]

20 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Was sending Turang down for a couple weeks a dumb decision? He's also an elite defender who has struggled with the bat. If Wiemer was tearing it up I'd agree with you but sending him to AAA for a few weeks could actually benefit him & the team

Turang was a below replacement level player when he was sent down. Wiemer is a solid regular on pace for like a 2 WAR season.

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, Matt said:

Wiemer isn't a guy you worry about manipulating service time with. 

Why not?

[MVP2110]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

Wiemer isn't a guy you worry about manipulating service time with. 

Wiemer is a potential 30/30 guy with elite defense. If he hits his ceiling he's the exact type of guy you would want to keep for an extra season

[Matt]

Because he's not that kind of player. If he's good the Brewers will extend him long before service time becomes an issue. But he's closer to being out of the league than he is ever reaching three years of arbitration. 

[patrickgpe]

Honestly If they send down Weimer to avoid super 2 status they should trade Burnes because they don’t want to win. I agree it would have to be tiapa or winkler 

[MVP2110]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

Because he's not that kind of player. If he's good the Brewers will extend him long before service time becomes an issue. But he's closer to being out of the league than he is ever reaching three years of arbitration. 

I'm not sure how you can say he isn't that type of player when basically every scouting report on him states that as his ceiling. If he hits his ceiling we Will absolutely wish we had that extra year of control

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Honestly If they send down Weimer to avoid super 2 status they should trade Burnes because they don’t want to win. I agree it would have to be tiapa or winkler 

How is sending down Weimer even remotely comparable to trading Burnes?