The Angels just released their entire team (just about)

[patrickgpe]

16 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

This whole situation is completely disgraceful and the foolish commissioner should be fired for being completely unprepared.

I think this was a result of eliminating the Aug 31 trade deadline. The Angels went for it and then lost 7 in a row so they wanted to shed salary, the mechanism for doing this was taken away in the CBA. I would be angry I was an angel fan. Thinking more about this, I am not sure what Manfred should have done. It is unfortunate that all of the releases on Tuesday will have some affect on the Sept playoff race though. 

[jerichoholicninja]

I bet the guy who runs MLB's waiver department was looking forward to an easy coast to the end of the season. Then this happened.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think one way to address this from becoming a recurring thing is to freeze team payroll values used for luxury tax consideration at the date of the Aug 1 trade deadline.  If a team is a marginal contender but also mindful of where it sits from a payroll luxury tax perspective, make them decide whether to buy or sell at the end of July and have a competent plan.  It's obvious the Angels are doing this primarily to crawl back under the luxury tax payroll threshold so they will get a better comp pick when Ohtani signs elsewhere and also to reset the luxury tax penalty structure for being over it consecutive years. 

I honestly could care less if a team with a trash fire front office occasionally opts to go this route under the current CBA to try and save a few bucks after they've been igniting $$ with nothing worthwhile to show for it - I don't see this being the new normal for teams that fall out of the race that happen to have a ton of expensive veterans set to become free agents who also aren't worth making QOs to.  If nothing else, the fact the Angels have a ton of those guys, plus a few other veterans nobody would touch if they were DFA-d because of their bloated remaining contracts, proves the point of how poorly they are run as an organization. 

[Jastro]

 

[patrickgpe]

2 minutes ago, Jastro said:

 

a little earlier than i thought, Cleveland taking on salary and still 11 1/2 out of the WC

[Jastro]

 

[jodo23]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10087901-mlb-rumors-josh-donaldson-contract-considered-by-brewers-after-yankees-release

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, patrickgpe said:

so they got up to 12th which is about what I thought, Cleveland is a marginal WC team

They're actually a 0% WC team. But, yes, a very marginal division contender.

[Fear The Chorizo]

3 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

a little earlier than i thought, Cleveland taking on salary and still 11 1/2 out of the WC

There was alot of back and forth in the NL Central Discussion thread about the possibility of a division winner finishing under 0.500.  In looking at the remaining schedules for the Twins and Guardians, that is a very legit possibility in the AL Central.

[patrickgpe]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

They're actually a 0% WC team. But, yes, a very marginal division contender.

Touché, I didn't realize that they are 5 back in the ALC. 

[Jastro]

 

[patrickgpe]

Just now, Jastro said:

 

This is what I was worried about one team is getting much better because of the Angels stupidity. 

[Jastro]

 

[Jastro]

 

[Jastro]

 

[Brewcrew82]

@Brock BeauchampCan't imagine Twins fans are happy about this...

[Brewcrew82]

Hopefully Renfroe and Bader crush Cubs pitching this weekend. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

@Brock BeauchampCan't imagine Twins fans are happy about this...

Twins fans aren't happy when they discover they've woken up in the morning and everything goes downhill from there. They're the most miserable SOBs I've ever seen.

None of those players were going to reach the Twins. I held out a little hope for Renfroe but none of the pitchers. Yeah, it kinda sucks Cleveland got them but Cleveland has a brutal September ahead of them while the Twins have a much easier schedule.

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

They're actually a 0% WC team. But, yes, a very marginal division contender.

I saw a hilarious argument on Twitter. This guy was...adamant that Hunter Renfroe would be claimed "by a team that's rebuilding like the Yankees to provide a veteran presence for their young guys.

It was pointed out that they just waived Bader(a better veteran presence as he was ON the team, half the price...).

But none of these players will "even make it to contenders." 

 

[BrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, Jastro said:

 

I'd have picked up Grichuk. .323.387.583 .970 vs lefties. Home/Away splits are normal...so it's not like that was all in Col. 

But he's also been terrible with LA and who's place is he taking? Not Canha or Santana. 

40 man rosters, he'd be worth it. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I'd have picked up Grichuk. .323.387.583 .970 vs lefties. Home/Away splits are normal...so it's not like that was all in Col. 

But he's also been terrible with LA and who's place is he taking? Not Canha or Santana. 

40 man rosters, he'd be worth it. 

He probably would have taken Taylor's spot. Maybe Weimer's. They must really value Weimer's defense. 

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

He probably would have taken Taylor's spot. Maybe Weimer's. They must really value Weimer's defense. 

They could have sent Wiemer down for a couple weeks. Even through the AAA season. I feel like he needs regular ABs and they're gonna roll with Frelick for now. But now you've got Taylor and Frelick as your CFers? I get why they wouldn't want to do that.

[jerichoholicninja]

So all this amounts to basically nothing. None of these guys will be playing in the playoffs.

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

But now you've got Taylor and Frelick as your CFers? I get why they wouldn't want to do that.

I don't.  Frelick has been excellent.  Taylor is decent.  Wiemer's D is minimally better given the gap in his offense at this point. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

10 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't.  Frelick has been excellent.  Taylor is decent.  Wiemer's D is minimally better given the gap in his offense at this point. 

At this point I'm pretty certain the only reason Wiemer hasn't been sent down to AAA is he's going to be the odd man out in the outfield glut assuming Mitchell gets healthy and Chourio is knocking on the MLB door at some point next season, and the Brewers plan to either trade Wiemer this offseason or are planning for him to start next year in AAA and preserve his MiLB options.