The Angels just released their entire team (just about)

[Underachiever]

3 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

I bet the guy who runs MLB's waiver department was looking forward to an easy coast to the end of the season. Then this happened.

I heard he was two days short of retirement, poor bastard.

[TURBO]

How can it be that one team can pick up multiple guys?

Shouldn't it be pick one, then it moves up the line?

Totally stupid.

 

[JCREW]

So, when the dust settled,

Cleveland needed to give up on the season, and they got three pitchers. 

The Reds needed pitchers, and they got two outfielders.

Seattle got a RH Reliever who is worse than Chafin (and worse than chafing).

 

Which means that the Twins (ALC) and the Cubs, Giants and Diamondbacks (NLWC) have the most to complain about. 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

At least this gave us something to talk about, even though this is unlikely to impact the playoffs much.  At the very least, it made September a little more competitive.  Glad the Cubs didnt get anyone or maybe I would have a different take.

[JCREW]

26 minutes ago, TURBO said:

How can it be that one team can pick up multiple guys?

Shouldn't it be pick one, then it moves up the line?

Totally stupid.

 

I very much agreed with you when the news on this first dropped, but I have eased up on it a bit since then. 

I don't mind the idea that a team can pick multiple guys. If lower end teams want to churn through the lower end of their 40 man rosters, it probably doesn't move many needles.

I agree that the whole fallout of this week feels like a pretty stupid way to run things. 

 

For the Brewers specifically, it's probably better that the Ohio got to gobble up most of the players. If it had been one player per team, the Cubs might have gotten the last player available. 

[BrewerFan]

59 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't.  Frelick has been excellent.  Taylor is decent.  Wiemer's D is minimally better given the gap in his offense at this point. 

I don't think Taylor is on the same level defensively as Taylor and Wiemer is still very good vs lefties. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't think Taylor is on the same level defensively as Taylor and Wiemer is still very good vs lefties. 

Wiemer's numbers against LHP have actually been declining over the last month or so. He's completely lost at the plate. 

[BrewerFan]

12 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Wiemer's numbers against LHP have actually been declining over the last month or so. He's completely lost at the plate. 

I understand and I said I'd send him down, but he's still got an OPS of ~850 vs lefties and Taylor is under .600 and again, I think Wiemer is a better defensively...so as I said, I'd send him down, but I get why the Brewers don't want to.

[CheezWizHed]

15 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't think Taylor is on the same level defensively as Taylor and Wiemer is still very good vs lefties. 

No, not the same level (hence my description as "decent").  But that doesn't mean he is going to Kotsay it up out there...

The point was that the delta in defensive value doesn't make up for the delta in offensive value.  

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

No, not the same level (hence my description as "decent").  But that doesn't mean he is going to Kotsay it up out there...

The point was that the delta in defensive value doesn't make up for the delta in offensive value.  

Ok...again, to be clear, I said that I'd send Wiemer down. That's how this started.

I then said I understand why the Brewers wouldn't want to.

Wiemer, even with his struggles has a OPS of .864 vs lefties while Taylor a .596 OPS vs lefties.

So we all agree Frelick should start vs righties, but I understand why the Brewers want to keep Wiemer in the lineup for lefties and in CF.

[TURBO]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

So we all agree Frelick should start vs righties, but I understand why the Brewers want to keep Wiemer in the lineup for lefties and in CF.

Yup, and he will prove valuable come playoff time as a defensive replacement and pinch runner.  He will have value to this team from here on out if used correctly.

[BrewerFan]

Just now, TURBO said:

Yup, and he will prove valuable come playoff time as a defensive replacement and pinch runner.  He will have value to this team from here on out if used correctly.

Again, going back between what I'd do, I'd send him down until the end of the AAA season, then bring him back for the last few weeks. Give him regular ABs, let him play...

I just don't think the Brewers will. I definitely want him on the playoff roster though...for all those reasons.

[RightFieldCoder]

I bet if Bos or NY had been in first and Bal/TB/Tor had grabbed 3 pitchers we would have seen Manfred quash the deal.

[BrewerFan]

15 minutes ago, RightFieldCoder said:

I bet if Bos or NY had been in first and Bal/TB/Tor had grabbed 3 pitchers we would have seen Manfred quash the deal.

Yeah, I don't think that's how that would have worked.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

At this point I'm pretty certain the only reason Wiemer hasn't been sent down to AAA is he's going to be the odd man out in the outfield glut assuming Mitchell gets healthy and Chourio is knocking on the MLB door at some point next season, and the Brewers plan to either trade Wiemer this offseason or are planning for him to start next year in AAA and preserve his MiLB options.

Wiemer has looked lost at the plate for awhile now, but I feel for him. After Ruiz was dealt, he was pretty clearly 3rd of the "big three" OF prospects knocking on the door. Had Mitchell & Taylor not gotten hurt, he may still be awaiting his MLB debut. It doesn't take long for pitchers to figure out how to attack you up here, & he's shown no ability to adjust. Hope he gets his head cleared (and the mechanics cleaned up) over the winter. That's one big, talented, athletic kid.

[LouisEly]

Just be thankful that none of those guys got to the Cubs.

[CheezWizHed]

4 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok...again, to be clear, I said that I'd send Wiemer down. That's how this started.

I then said I understand why the Brewers wouldn't want to.

Wiemer, even with his struggles has a OPS of .864 vs lefties while Taylor a .596 OPS vs lefties.

So we all agree Frelick should start vs righties, but I understand why the Brewers want to keep Wiemer in the lineup for lefties and in CF.

Except those numbers don't represent his recent numbers...

Since July 1st:  244/279/390/669  (43 PAs)

Taylor isn't much better (just better power).  But the point was that Weimer's 864 OPS was driven by his first half of the season. There isn't much offensively for Wiemer vs LHP or RHP.

[adambr2]

Can we just pause for a moment and reflect on just how incompetently run of an organization that the Angels are?

Yeah you can tell me about the Lions, or the Browns, or the Pirates, but what organization gets gifted not one, but two once in a generation talents in its sport and somehow cannot build any sort of a winner with them despite many years of trying? How can this even be possible? 

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Except those numbers don't represent his recent numbers...

Since July 1st:  244/279/390/669  (43 PAs)

Taylor isn't much better (just better power).  But the point was that Weimer's 864 OPS was driven by his first half of the season. There isn't much offensively for Wiemer vs LHP or RHP.

What point are we arguing here? 

Since July 1st he's got a .669 OPS vs lefties? Ok...fine. I don't know how to break down RH/LH splits by months, but I'll take your word for that. Yet still, on the season, Taylor's still at under .600. 

 

This is really simple. His OPS vs lefties(which is pretty much exclusively when he's playing now) is .864. Taylor's is .596. The Brewers also probably aren't using arbitrary starting points to measure when using platoon splits. 

We ALL get his struggled offensively as a whole. However even that struggling as a WHOLE isn't as much as Taylor has struggled...vs lefties. So...I don't know what we're going back and forth about. 

 

I said I understood the Brewers rationale for it. And...I do. Better vs lefties, better in CF. 

 

Not a significant factor, but he also hits ties up that game vs Steele(don't remember if there was anyone on) when he drilled a ball to the wall that is probably out in any other field on any other night.

[CheezWizHed]

6 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

What point are we arguing here? 

Since July 1st he's got a .669 OPS vs lefties? Ok...fine. I don't know how to break down RH/LH splits by months, but I'll take your word for that. Yet still, on the season, Taylor's still at under .600. 

 

This is really simple. His OPS vs lefties(which is pretty much exclusively when he's playing now) is .864. Taylor's is .596. The Brewers also probably aren't using arbitrary starting points to measure when using platoon splits. 

We ALL get his struggled offensively as a whole. However even that struggling as a WHOLE isn't as much as Taylor has struggled...vs lefties. So...I don't know what we're going back and forth about. 

 

I said I understood the Brewers rationale for it. And...I do. Better vs lefties, better in CF. 

 

Not a significant factor, but he also hits ties up that game vs Steele(don't remember if there was anyone on) when he drilled a ball to the wall that is probably out in any other field on any other night.

Fangraphs allows custom splits.  And yes, the Brewers do look at them because they have a tendency to play the hot hand and matchup ball (aside from Huira, but that is another story).

The point was the Weimer has been trending down for a while... even vs LHP.  He was white hot early and looking poor now.  And looking more lost at the plate as he goes (no metric...just an eyeball test).  So no real point in saying we must play Wiemer vs LHP over Taylor...  his 864 OPS vs Lefties is a bit of a paper tiger.  They have been about neck-and-neck at the moment vs lefties.

[BrewerFan]

18 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Fangraphs allows custom splits.  And yes, the Brewers do look at them because they have a tendency to play the hot hand and matchup ball (aside from Huira, but that is another story).

The point was the Weimer has been trending down for a while... even vs LHP.  He was white hot early and looking poor now.  And looking more lost at the plate as he goes (no metric...just an eyeball test).  So no real point in saying we must play Wiemer vs LHP over Taylor...  his 864 OPS vs Lefties is a bit of a paper tiger.  They have been about neck-and-neck at the moment vs lefties.

But not neck and neck in CF. Which...again, is why I don't think they'd send Wiemer down for Taylor to take over as the CFer vs left handed hitters when they're merely neck and neck over a small sample size.

[brewerfan82]

Since August 1st:

• Taylor: 139 wRC+ (113 vs RHP, 190 vs LHP), 0.6 WAR
• Wiemer: 46 wRC+ (50 vs RHP, 40 vs LHP), -0.1 WAR

The last month has been especially brutal for Wiemer at the plate. Note, that's only 46 PAs for Wiemer and 66 PAs for Taylor (compared to 6 Brewers having over 100 PAs each in that timeframe), but the lack of usage (which may have also contributed to his ineffectiveness) is just that much more reason it would have been nice having him down in AAA getting regular playing time.

[brewerfan82]

I'd also argue Taylor's better defensively than he's given credit for.

2021-23:

• Taylor: 821.1 innings in CF, 5 assists, 9 DRS, 5.8 UZR/150
• Wiemer: 869 innings in CF, 4 assists, 2 DRS, 7.8 UZR/150

I'd definitely still take Wiemer over Taylor out there, but I think they could cover center for a few weeks between Taylor, Frelick, Perkins, and now Greg Allen.

[Ewitkows1]

On 8/31/2023 at 11:38 PM, adambr2 said:

Can we just pause for a moment and reflect on just how incompetently run of an organization that the Angels are?

Yeah you can tell me about the Lions, or the Browns, or the Pirates, but what organization gets gifted not one, but two once in a generation talents in its sport and somehow cannot build any sort of a winner with them despite many years of trying? How can this even be possible? 

Rendon was no slouch either.