NL Wild Card Game 2 - Diamondbacks (Gallen) vs Brewers (Peralta): 10/4/23, 6:08pm

[LouisEly]

4 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Correa replacing Adames.

Carlos Correa?

He of the .230/.312/.399 batting line?

He of the 1.1 fWAR versus Adames' 3.4 fWAR?

Really?

[Jim French Stepstool]

22 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

This is so incredibly wrong. Brewers have dipped millions of dollars into player development. They were one of the first teams to spend a boatload of money on a pitching lab. 

And I'd like to know how much they've invested into relatively untapped Venezuela in recent years.

In the almost 50 years since free agency, I think there have been way more cases of teams wasting money frivolously & failing, then failing because they "didn't spend enough" (see Diego, San😄). Hell, for all the money that team on the north side of Chicago spent over the years, the one time they won a series was on the backs of prospects they acquired in trades or grew themselves.

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

They have the #2 farm system in baseball.  Add to that the talent they'll get back when trading Burnes and the future is really bright.  (And Adames, while not as good as last year, was still a 3.4 fWAR player, the same as 2021.  He has more trade value than most think.)

Losing Burnes - given the way that he performed yesterday - is that really a loss that can't be overcome?

Chourio, Black, Quero, Misiorowski, and Gasser are some of the top prospects in baseball.  Add to that Wilken and Carlos F. Rodriguez, plus the young core in Contreras/Peralta and (hopefully) adjustments/improvements by Uribe/Frelick/Mitchell/Turang/Wiemer and a healthy Ashby.  There's a lot of talent in the organization.

I'm taking a wait and see on prospects.

We've had too many Lewis brinson's come through the system for me to get too excited about Minor leaguers

[Fear The Chorizo]

5 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Correa replacing Adames.

Correa and Adames are basically the same player, and one has a chronic foot problem who made over $30M this season to hit less than 20 hr and miss 30 games with injuries with 5 more seasons coming at that amount.

 

Despite Adames' poor season, I'd take him 100 times out of 100 over Correa at this point in their careers.  Tbh I'd rather have neither

[Jim French Stepstool]

23 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Right. I do find the "I'd rather not be in the playoffs than lose in the 1st round," line kinda funny.

 

 

Funny isn't the word I'd use. More like "Living on a planet I've never visited".

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Sixtolezcano said:

The question is will Attanasio et.al. have the guts to actually invest in the players rather than a new scoreboard, remodeled stadium, etc. to squeeze out a few xtra bucks. 

You know the money allocated for stadium improvements can't go into paying players, right?

[Sixtolezcano]

10 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

They have the #2 farm system in baseball.  Add to that the talent they'll get back when trading Burnes and the future is really bright.  (And Adames, while not as good as last year, was still a 3.4 fWAR player, the same as 2021.  He has more trade value than most think.)

Losing Burnes - given the way that he performed yesterday - is that really a loss that can't be overcome?

Chourio, Black, Quero, Misiorowski, and Gasser are some of the top prospects in baseball.  Add to that Wilken and Carlos F. Rodriguez, plus the young core in Contreras/Peralta and (hopefully) adjustments/improvements by Uribe/Frelick/Mitchell/Turang/Wiemer and a healthy Ashby.  There's a lot of talent in the organization.

I remember a time in the mid-80s when the Brewers had the #1 farm system in baseball. With prospects like Glenn Braggs, Billy Joe Robideau, B.J.Surhoff, Gary Sheffield, Bill Wegman, Dan Pleasac, Chris Bosio, Dale Sveum, and Teddy Higuera. That didn’t work out like everyone thought it would. I believe you’re kidding yourself if you know how Chourio and Quero will end up much less Misiorowski, Gasser, Wilken Rodriguez, Wiemer, Frelick, Mitchell etc.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

You know the money allocated for stadium improvements can't go into paying players, right?

Naw, if your name has "MLB Team Owner" next to it, all of the revenue generated by tickets, parking, merch, advertising just gets dumped straight into your checking account, then you get to decide how much to pay your 40 man roster after you get done buying islands and yachts for your extended family once you see what's left of all that infinite profit.

[Sixtolezcano]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

You know the money allocated for stadium improvements can't go into paying players, right?

Yes.

[Sixtolezcano]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Naw, if your name has "MLB Team Owner" next to it, all of the revenue generated by tickets, parking, merch, advertising just gets dumped straight into your checking account, then you get to decide how much to pay your 40 man roster after you get done buying islands and yachts for your extended family once you see what's left of all that infinite profit.

I don’t believe that is how it works.

[Sixtolezcano]

10 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Funny isn't the word I'd use. More like "Living on a planet I've never visited".

Like Donald Trump’s alternate reality?

[phnxcrew]

Well I ignored the playoffs for the most part and I’m glad I did.  Being swept by a team that is built for 2025? Lol.  five straight years of wondering why we lose with zero offense.  This is the definition of ownership being ok with “just good enough”

[Fear The Chorizo]

Just now, Sixtolezcano said:

I remember a time in the mid-80s when the Brewers had the #1 farm system in baseball. With prospects like Glenn Braggs, Billy Joe Robideau, B.J.Surhoff, Gary Sheffield, Bill Wegman, Dan Pleasac, Chris Bosio, Dale Sveum, and Teddy Higuera. That didn’t work out like everyone thought it would. I believe you’re kidding yourself if you know how Chourio and Quero will end up much less Misiorowski, Gasser, Wilken Rodriguez, Wiemer, Frelick, Mitchell etc.

kidding yourself works both ways on many things...and you don't have to go back 40 years in time.  The Brewers also had the #1 system in ~2014 timeframe, which largely led to the latest run of relatively routine trips to the playoffs after a few shrewd trades and some young arms developing.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I remember a time in the mid-80s when the Brewers had the #1 farm system in baseball. With prospects like Glenn Braggs, Billy Joe Robideau, B.J.Surhoff, Gary Sheffield, Bill Wegman, Dan Pleasac, Chris Bosio, Dale Sveum, and Teddy Higuera. That didn’t work out like everyone thought it would. I believe you’re kidding yourself if you know how Chourio and Quero will end up much less Misiorowski, Gasser, Wilken Rodriguez, Wiemer, Frelick, Mitchell etc.

No one "knows". But it's the lifeblood of any organization. Yes, even the big spenders. Being glad your system is ranked highly sure beats the alternative.

Strange, in that your above list has some very good talent on it.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I don’t believe that is how it works.

If you believe the reason the Brewers can't win a WS is because Attanasio is the majority owner of the organization, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and move on

[RobertCrawley]

Tough night at the ballpark. A fair number left after the Diamondback's big inning, but plenty stayed and the place was rocking in the bottom of the 8th and 9th.

It's a sad end to a good season. We didn't get it done. This one is going to sting for a while because we are the better team. But pitchers and catchers report in just a few months. So the caravan moves on.

[Sixtolezcano]

Just now, Fear The Chorizo said:

If you believe the reason the Brewers can't win a WS is because Attanasio is the majority owner of the organization, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and move on

OK. It’s the way MLB is set up. 

[ecjimg]

I came to the realization last year that the Brewers will never win a World Series in my lifetime.  Being a fan of this team is depressing.  Only fans of Colorado, Oakland and Pittsburgh have it worse or just as bad.  Also seems Tampa is cursed with all the pitching injuries and losing Wander Franco

[rondoman]

39 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

They have the #2 farm system in baseball.  Add to that the talent they'll get back when trading Burnes and the future is really bright.  (And Adames, while not as good as last year, was still a 3.4 fWAR player, the same as 2021.  He has more trade value than most think.)

Losing Burnes - given the way that he performed yesterday - is that really a loss that can't be overcome?

Chourio, Black, Quero, Misiorowski, and Gasser are some of the top prospects in baseball.  Add to that Wilken and Carlos F. Rodriguez, plus the young core in Contreras/Peralta and (hopefully) adjustments/improvements by Uribe/Frelick/Mitchell/Turang/Wiemer and a healthy Ashby.  There's a lot of talent in the organization.

None of those guys have proven a thing yet. AAA talent doesnt mean MLB talent.

[rickh150]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Power is nice. But just a single in a couple of those instances would've been more than good enough.

Look at that big inning for Arizona…. Bloop hit, broken bat grounders, seeing eye singles. It was the difference tonight.

[rickh150]

14 minutes ago, ecjimg said:

I came to the realization last year that the Brewers will never win a World Series in my lifetime.  Being a fan of this team is depressing.  Only fans of Colorado, Oakland and Pittsburgh have it worse or just as bad.  Also seems Tampa is cursed with all the pitching injuries and losing Wander Franco

Spoiled…. We have had it light years better than most teams over the last 7 years. Meaningful baseball. Right in the thick of big time games. Playoff losses sting, and playoff record matters… but come now. So many teams have had just a fraction of what we have enjoyed during CC’s time here. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, rickh150 said:

Look at that big inning for Arizona…. Bloop hit, broken bat grounders, seeing eye singles. It was the difference tonight.

And a couple of critical walks. Those are almost always a big part of who wins & loses. Drawing them, or avoiding them as a pitcher.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, rondoman said:

None of those guys have proven a thing yet. AAA talent doesnt mean MLB talent.

So instead of developing the farm system, the best way for them to compete is...............................??

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Look at that big inning for Arizona…. Bloop hit, broken bat grounders, seeing eye singles. It was the difference tonight.

And yesterday Taylor hits a rocket with the bases loaded that's caught.  A lot of luck in a 3 game series.  The current postseason format is a dumb way to end a season.

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, ecjimg said:

I came to the realization last year that the Brewers will never win a World Series in my lifetime.  Being a fan of this team is depressing.  Only fans of Colorado, Oakland and Pittsburgh have it worse or just as bad.  Also seems Tampa is cursed with all the pitching injuries and losing Wander Franco

There are many more fans that have it worse in recent years.  Seattle, San Diego, Minnesota, Cincinnati, Miami, Mets, White Sox, just to name a few.