Brewers (Wilson) vs Rockies (Gomber): 7/1/24, 7:40pm

[rickh150]

Pulling Chourio was an out of the blue one for me…

[rickh150]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

You said that the move to PH for him was a brutal confidence killer. I disagree.

Now you're saying you disagree with the decision, which is fine. Frankly, I wouldn't have hit for him either. But your being upset with the decision has zero to do with it somehow destroying his confidence. Again, if that sort of thing sends him into some sort of mental tailspin, it would've done that a long time ago.

 

 

Well, pulling him while hitting around.900 OPS for a month can’t help, Maybe it won’t hurt much but it definitely won’t help.

[Bulldogboy]

6 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

You said that the move to PH for him was a brutal confidence killer. I disagree.

Now you're saying you disagree with the decision, which is fine. Frankly, I wouldn't have hit for him either. But your being upset with the decision has zero to do with it somehow destroying his confidence. Again, if that sort of thing sends him into some sort of mental tailspin, it would've done that a long time ago.

 

 

What I am saying is clear. You do not need or want to pinch hit for Jackson Chourio at any point in the next 8 years. Period. Now if you want to focus on the confidence part of what I said fine. It can't help but the option you are sending up there unless it's Juan Soto ain't a better one given you are not winning a world series this regardless. Getting Chourio to be the next Acuna is the priority. That happens as we saw last month by letting him hit. Is that clear enough?

[Bulldogboy]

Now is the time play Chourio in right. Mitchell in center and Frelick in left. Make Yelich the dh. Platoon Bauers and Hoskins.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, rickh150 said:

Well, pulling him while hitting around.900 OPS for a month can’t help, Maybe it won’t hurt much but it definitely won’t help.

From what I've seen of him since the beginning of April I don't think it'll hurt at all. 

It helped (the team) today in a vacuum, as Frelick reached twice. 

[duewizard]

Man Im sad to see Bryse, Payamps and Hoby regress. I know it makes sense and their peripherals were awful but I really wanted them to succeed. Not sure what the options in-house are though. Herget?

All other relievers pitching well with the Sounds we have already tried except for Chirinos, Blackwood and Middendorf. Maybe try Bennett? Meeker again? Patrick in a relief role? Not sure. 

Bickford was just DFAd lol

[Scooterfletcher]

We need a low low trade of Kopech for Wiemer if doable…

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

What I am saying is clear. You do not need or want to pinch hit for Jackson Chourio at any point in the next 8 years. Period. Now if you want to focus on the confidence part of what I said fine. It can't help but the option you are sending up there unless it's Juan Soto ain't a better one given you are not winning a world series this regardless. Getting Chourio to be the next Acuna is the priority. That happens as we saw last month by letting him hit. Is that clear enough?

You went from thinking that it'll destroy his confidence to not liking the move, I assume from a strategical standpoint. To me that's two different things, so I didn't see that as clear at all. The 'confidence part' was the only thing you brought up originally, so that's what I responded to. As to tonight, the guy they sent up to hit for him (as I admitted, I wouldn't have made the change, so I guess I was wrong) responded by reaching base twice. If he's going to be the next Acuna IMO nothing they're doing/not doing right now is going to alter that.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

That happens as we saw last month by letting him hit. Is that clear enough?

In the month of June + this last game, they pinch hit for Jackson Chourio five times. 

And it didn't seem to hinder his effectiveness.

The thing is, we're probably on the same page afa wanting to let him hit. Like I admitted, I wouldn't have pulled him back tonite. But I don't see the way he's being handled as being a hinderance. His last few weeks prove that.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

21 minutes ago, duewizard said:

Man Im sad to see Bryse, Payamps and Hoby regress. I know it makes sense and their peripherals were awful but I really wanted them to succeed. Not sure what the options in-house are though. Herget?

All other relievers pitching well with the Sounds we have already tried except for Chirinos, Blackwood and Middendorf. Maybe try Bennett? Meeker again? Patrick in a relief role? Not sure. 

Bickford was just DFAd lol

I'm sure they're counting the days until Williams makes it back. Herget will probably be here again. Bukauskas being out sucks; he was throwing the ball well & I'm sure they have their fingers crossed there. D L Hall should be back soon--in what role I have no idea.

Craig Yoho is in Biloxi. I wouldn't be surprised if he is in Nashville sometime in the next month or so. It wouldn't shock me to see him in Milwaukee this year.

If I had to guess I'd say Patrick is being looked at as a starter if needed. I mentioned more than once that I'd rather see Wilson come out of the pen, but circumstances prevented that. Maybe that's a move that can be made down the road.

[Bulldogboy]

30 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

In the month of June + this last game, they pinch hit for Jackson Chourio five times. 

And it didn't seem to hinder his effectiveness.

The thing is, we're probably on the same page afa wanting to let him hit. Like I admitted, I wouldn't have pulled him back tonite. But I don't see the way he's being handled as being a hinderance. His last few weeks prove that.

 

Check into how often guys like Bobby Whitt Gunner Henderson Jackson Merrell etc have been pinch hit for in there careers. I'm going to say Chourio has already beat the combined total of all three. That is insane considering he is on the same level as a prospect. I do not trust the Brewers especially with Mitchell back to handle this well at all.

[duewizard]

29 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I'm sure they're counting the days until Williams makes it back. Herget will probably be here again. Bukauskas being out sucks; he was throwing the ball well & I'm sure they have their fingers crossed there. D L Hall should be back soon--in what role I have no idea.

Craig Yoho is in Biloxi. I wouldn't be surprised if he is in Nashville sometime in the next month or so. It wouldn't shock me to see him in Milwaukee this year.

If I had to guess I'd say Patrick is being looked at as a starter if needed. I mentioned more than once that I'd rather see Wilson come out of the pen, but circumstances prevented that. Maybe that's a move that can be made down the road.

Yeah the guys on the IL will have to come back I forgot about them. Still, until that happens I'm not sure Kevin Herget is the definitive solution.

DL Hall needs to start. Both he and Bryse give up a bunch of runs, so I'd rather give the kid innings to learn.

Yoho is interesting. Has the stuff to be in the bigs yesterday. I don't know how the Brewers will handle him. He definitively makes it to Nashville by year's end, but I don't know if the Brewers select him this year. With 40-man and Rule-5 shenanigans I don't know if they want to lock up a roster spot. There's also the issue of service time. If he really is the future closer he seems to be, they'll want to keep him for 6+ years.

Yeah Wilson excelled in the pen last year. I'd be tempted to get Patrick up here to give Wilson the long man role back

[Jim French Stepstool]

44 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Check into how often guys like Bobby Whitt Gunner Henderson Jackson Merrell etc have been pinch hit for in there careers. I'm going to say Chourio has already beat the combined total of all three. That is insane considering he is on the same level as a prospect. I do not trust the Brewers especially with Mitchell back to handle this well at all.

I'm sure much more goes into it than looking at how other teams handle their elite young talent. Guys can be at the 'same level of prospect' & need much different paths.

I suspect you're correct about the PH thing. I DO know Witt came aboard as a 22-yr-old (Chourio was 19 until just before the season started) & played regularly right off the bat for a team that lost 97 games. Henderson joined the O's for the last month or so of his 1st year at the age of 21. The O's finished something like 15-16 GB.

Merrill IMO supports your argument the best. At the age of 21, he's playing regularly, & the Pads are in their perpetual "GO FOR IT!!!!!!" mode. I will point out that while Chourio could have a higher ceiling, I think Merrill is a more 'finished product' at this stage. He Ks about 16% of the time--very good for a young player with pop--and has the advantage of being oppo side (LH) for most pitchers. If he was hitting .210-220 most of the season & SD had a RHH or two on the bench they had confidence in I suspect he'd get pulled vs a LHP from time to time. 

The Brewers are handling this the way they see fit. I don't always agree with what they do--like when they pulled him tonite (and I was wrong). But more goes into this--from individual work, to film study, to matching pitchers' tendencies vs hitters strengths--than we could ever imagine. Maybe putting him--and others--in the best position to succeed will, in the long run, HELP his confidence. 

I think Mitchells' return will affect Perkins much more than Chourio. But we'll see.

Hope you & your family have a wonderful 4th.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm in agreement with all who think the time to pinch hit for Chourio is over for good.  Also the time for using Payamps in high leverage situations should be on hold.  What the heck's wrong with Hudson?  He's thrown 2 innings in the last 8 days?

[rickh150]

Wilson had a great start last Tuesday…Murphy thought it was his best ever (pitched after 2 IP of Milner). So He gets a bunch of starts yet. 
Milner’s role was getting worse all the time over the last month… then Koenig gets hurt so he is back in by default. Payamps is getting shelled or is walking guys.  He cannot be 8th inning guy per usual.

[KeithStone53151]

3 hours ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

I'm in agreement with all who think the time to pinch hit for Chourio is over for good.  Also the time for using Payamps in high leverage situations should be on hold.  What the heck's wrong with Hudson?  He's thrown 2 innings in the last 8 days?

I'm glad so many others are beating this drum. There's an argument to be made for a very specific circumstance in October, but not in June. None whatsoever.

Also, I think going forward, we should assume literally every single time a player or manager is ejected is caused by an ump screwing up and said player/manager pointing out their glaring mistake. I mean, how dare the manager/player want the calls to be correct...setting the bar waaaayyyyy too high.

[BruisedCrew]

4 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I'm glad so many others are beating this drum. There's an argument to be made for a very specific circumstance in October, but not in June. None whatsoever.

 

Even though it worked out last night i did not like the move last night. With Chourio hitting well, and possessing much more power potential than Frelick I would have let him hit.

In a situation against a very tough righty where just putting the ball in play is important I might make that move, but not there.

[BruisedCrew]

14 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Now is the time play Chourio in right. Mitchell in center and Frelick in left. Make Yelich the dh. Platoon Bauers and Hoskins.

I strongly disagree that you want to make Yelich a full time DH and demote Hoskins to a platoon role.

I don't think the improvement in defense with Frelick in LF over Yelich justifies having his bat in the lineup every day. Plus, the Brewers need the flexibility to use the DH spot to give Contreras days off from catching occasionally.

Even though he's been slumping lately, I think it's way too early to throw Hoskins onto the platoon scrap heap where he might just play once or twice a week. He's a veteran player who has shown that he can get hot. 

As my preferred lineup for one game against a RHP I would rather have Yelich in LF with Hoskins as DH and Bauers at 1B. Frelick can still play a few days a week to give others a break. In a given week I could see Yelich, Hoskins, and Contreras each being DH a couple of days or getting a full day off.

One thing for absolutely sure is that there will be some more injuries (even if they are minor) that will open up spots for others to play.

[Brian]

15 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

We need a low low trade of Kopech for Wiemer if doable…

Wiemer hitting .193 in the minors, that would be the trade of the decade.