Bregman

[DR28]

Its been reported that Bregman isn't considering a short term deal.

[wntrtxn21]

11 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Its been reported that Bregman isn't considering a short term deal.

In Detroit, Boras said they have refused any short term deals. The Tigers refused Boras' $200M demand for Bregman. 

[Lloyd330]

Has it been reported what Bregman is looking for? is the 6/$200 real?

Sooner or later, players will realize that Scott Boras is not as good as he used to be. 

Bregman hasn't been a star player for almost 5 years now and had one pretty good season in there 

Who would you rather have - Player 1 or player 2

 

 

[TURBO]

11 hours ago, Devinep said:

The difference between the two is Casas would be cost-controlled and Bregman, even on an opt-out type deal, will be more $ than the Brewers are willing to spend. And I’m not sure starters are being double-stacked with one at 1B and one at DH. 

We have a bunch of guys pegged for DH time.

Contreras obviously when not catching, figure 20-30 games at DH.

Yelich even more obviously since we don't know how he'll be once the season starts, at the very least, he'll be seeing DH time just for back management throughout the season.  I'm going to guess he gets 1/3 of the season at DH, possibly more.  Lets say 50-60 DH games.

Hoskins, hopefully gets to DH a LOT!  If he is our full time 1B, yuk...  Considering Yelich and Contreras with about 80 DH games, that leaves Hoskins with about 82 or so.  We know he'll be playing some 1B, but I sure hope it isn't 80+ games there.

 

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5 hours ago, DR28 said:

Its been reported that Bregman isn't considering a short term deal.

If the teams interested in him are only looking to sign him to a short contract, he may not have a choice. 

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1 hour ago, bigred said:

If the teams interested in him are only looking to sign him to a short contract, he may not have a choice. 

Exactly.

I hope teams stick to their guns.  Don't think the Dodgers need him, so we don't have to worry about them swooping in and getting him below market value.  Well, I shouldn't say that, I suppose if he is still available in a couple weeks, they might sneak in and snag him.

Some of these guys are really over-shooting the market.

Usually it's a Boras client, which I find funny.

[DR28]

17 hours ago, bigred said:

If the teams interested in him are only looking to sign him to a short contract, he may not have a choice. 

Saw that Astros still have 6 yr, $156 M deal on the table.... He'll just return to Houston, if he doesn't get deal he wants.

[DR28]

According to Heyman, Cubs showing significant interest in Bregman.

FTC!

[NOMAAM]

Detroit has gotten burned badly by Baez.  Can’t blame them from balking at 200 million.  Think the Astros offer might be the best he gets.  

[MNBrew]

On 1/23/2025 at 9:00 AM, Lloyd330 said:

Has it been reported what Bregman is looking for? is the 6/$200 real?

Sooner or later, players will realize that Scott Boras is not as good as he used to be. 

Bregman hasn't been a star player for almost 5 years now and had one pretty good season in there 

Who would you rather have - Player 1 or player 2

 

 

I'll take the bait since no one else has responded.... at least to ask who is who?  Clearly one is Bregman.

And I agree that Boras doesn't have quite the same touch, mainly because owners have wised up to him -- at least in terms of paying closer attention to all sorts of layers of number and the values they might equate to -- than Boras has adjusted to the market.

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14 hours ago, MNBrew said:

I'll take the bait since no one else has responded.... at least to ask who is who?  Clearly one is Bregman.

And I agree that Boras doesn't have quite the same touch, mainly because owners have wised up to him -- at least in terms of paying closer attention to all sorts of layers of number and the values they might equate to -- than Boras has adjusted to the market.

I’m thinking he’ll get a deal similar to Matt Chapman with more guaranteed money.  But still with the opt out after a year.

[tmwiese55]

If the Astros 5-6 year deal that's been on on the table is still there, I don't get why he just wouldn't take it.

But yes if he and Boras are being stubborn/greedy and want to risk it on a Chapman/Hoskins style deal then MKE should definitely be involved.  It's not like I think he's awesome or the player he was, but its a clear need and a situation similar to the Moose/Grandal contracts that makes a lot of sense to take the risk and 'go for it' even if its a bit more money than you'd like to spend this year. Next year you clear Hoskins and likely Bregman while getting closer to Yelis end, so salary resets a lot next offseason. It would be a one year spike.  And if things don't go well and Bregman doesn't opt out, he essentially just takes Hoskins pay. So again likely just a one year spike. 

For him, MKE is a hitters park, no position change stuff, winning team, not in Canada taxes. Hope for a good healthy year to get a bigger long term deal next offseason from someone else.     Still, I really don't see why he wouldn't just take the 150 mil from Houston.

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On 1/28/2025 at 1:35 PM, tmwiese55 said:

If the Astros 5-6 year deal that's been on on the table is still there, I don't get why he just wouldn't take it.

But yes if he and Boras are being stubborn/greedy and want to risk it on a Chapman/Hoskins style deal then MKE should definitely be involved.  It's not like I think he's awesome or the player he was, but its a clear need and a situation similar to the Moose/Grandal contracts that makes a lot of sense to take the risk and 'go for it' even if its a bit more money than you'd like to spend this year. Next year you clear Hoskins and likely Bregman while getting closer to Yelis end, so salary resets a lot next offseason. It would be a one year spike.  And if things don't go well and Bregman doesn't opt out, he essentially just takes Hoskins pay. So again likely just a one year spike. 

For him, MKE is a hitters park, no position change stuff, winning team, not in Canada taxes. Hope for a good healthy year to get a bigger long term deal next offseason from someone else.     Still, I really don't see why he wouldn't just take the 150 mil from Houston.

A lot of it might be deferred.  Making it closer to 125.  

[DR28]

If Bregman ends up back in Houston, would love to get Paredes from them.... Paredes would be a perfect fit on this team and in our lineup!!

Paredes for Frelick... Enough to get it done?

[Playing Catch]

23 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Paredes for Frelick... Enough to get it done?

If they re-sign Bregman, I think they'd be willing to give up Paredes. They need outfielders. I think they'd definitely do that deal. But why would the Brewers just flip 3rd basemen like that?

[Jopal78]

On 1/23/2025 at 9:00 AM, Lloyd330 said:

Has it been reported what Bregman is looking for? is the 6/$200 real?

Sooner or later, players will realize that Scott Boras is not as good as he used to be. 

Bregman hasn't been a star player for almost 5 years now and had one pretty good season in there 

Who would you rather have - Player 1 or player 2

 

 

Sorry to say but Scott Boras is still the gold standard in MLB and only getting better. When pro ballplayers are trying to make as much money as possible in the short amount of time they have the insane earning capacity in the major leagues they simply are not going to waste their chances with Boras if he isn’t delivering results. 

The reality is teams are simply not handing out as many mega deals as they used to.

Boras being the wily fox he is, has adapted, getting his clients lots of opt out opportunities and high AAVs. His clients contracts continually push the AAV and with the opt outs is ensuring his clients will always have a chance to be amongst the highest paid, and even if their performance doesn’t live up to the AAV they’re protected with the player options.
 

Corbin Burnes for example has an AAV of $35 million which places him Top 15 in AAV in all of MLB and if he pitches well he gets to test the waters again in 2 years to further increase the AAV. 
 

On the other hand, Cody Bellinger got 27.5 million dollars in from the Cubs last year and after the Cubs paid the Yankees to take him, he’s still owed $58 million over the next 2 years. The AAV is 28.5 million a season which  places him in the Top 50 of all MLB players in terms of AAV despite having simply decent production.

 

[Playing Catch]

23 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Sorry to say but Scott Boras is still the gold standard in MLB and only getting better.

Perhaps it's no different for lots of agencies, and it's merely noteworthy because Boras has been the gold standard, but there have been a number of examples of players leaving him in the last year or so, including Nick Castellanos, Cal Raleigh, Jordan Montgomery, and just within the last 24 hours, reports that Ha-Seong Kim and Pete Alonso are both frustrated by his representation.

 

[Jopal78]

45 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Perhaps it's no different for lots of agencies, and it's merely noteworthy because Boras has been the gold standard, but there have been a number of examples of players leaving him in the last year or so, including Nick Castellanos, Cal Raleigh, Jordan Montgomery, and just within the last 24 hours, reports that Ha-Seong Kim and Pete Alonso are both frustrated by his representation.

 

Exactly, when you’re a lawyer/agent, a client firing you is part of the business and unless all his clients left him en masse, it  doesn’t really suggest anything noteworthy.

The reality is professional ethics require an agent to convey all offers or counter proposals to their client. So a ball player wishing they had done something different once the ink is dry on the contract is really just sour grapes and not uncommon. 

Jordan Montgomery, for example probably was a little hasty in his criticism. After all it was his 6+ era that got him moved to the bullpen. Yet depsite all that he had a player option which he exercised  for ‘25 where he will make 22 million pitching in long relief and will have made $47 million in total from Arizona while basically sucking.