9/7/05 11:30 CT: Brewers (Cappy) vs Redds (Milton)

[endaround]

My question: Say Jenkins did come up again and hits a home run, would you have him run out of the baseline after he touched third in order to get that triple?

[JohnBriggs12]

I don't expect anything near full houses Friday or Saturday either.

 

The high price of gas has affected baseball too.

[ThePurpleStorm]

AHHHHH!!!! I FORGOT THEY PLAYED TODAY!!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED!!!??

All's I know is that JJ had a big day.

[hawing]

AHHHHH!!!! I FORGOT THEY PLAYED TODAY!!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED!!!??

All's I know is that JJ had a big day.

 

Ahhh! I knew they played today but I've been training someone and couldn't monitor the score.

JJ?

(pause to look at boxscore)

 

JJ!

[JET15]

I know the elusive .500 is important but I'd really like to stay ahead of the Cubs. That still is my number one goal. You have to live with Cub Fans to make that a priority, I know.

 

So this win was big.

 

Go Crew!

[brewers19]

Stupid school. I can't believe I'm paying boatloads of money each year for something that causes me to miss Brewers games.

 

I'm glad I never gave up hope on JJ.

[ja002h]

Wow. So apparently there were a couple hits today. Including some SS who should be in AAA right now so Hall can play more often.

 

I'm drooling thinking about the first 5 next year:

 

Clark

JJ

Rickie

Lee/Jenks

Prince

[DHonks]

so is there something wrong with me that when the Crew jumped out to the lead, I went to MLB.com to A) see where we were in the Wild Card standings, and B) see if other important games were underway.?????

[LUKE232323]

Clark

Hardy

Weeks

Lee

Jenkins

Fielder

 

is going to be a nasty first 6 next year. You have good power at every spot there with respect to position.

 

First thing is first, lets try and get 2 of 3 from the Stros.

[brewers19]

And if you choose to put Branyan in there, that makes it one potential powerhouse of a 1-7.

[Member]

Just say no to 3TO.

[cooprules]

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Just say no to 3TO.

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I'll echo this. I admit when he hit two bombs at the opener I was pretty pumped but he is a human windmill.

 

People can talk OPS, SLG, 3TO, or C3PO and R2D2 for all I care. All I know is when teams need to get him out, they get him out. I'll take Billy Hall at 3rd next year over Fanyan. I wouldn't even mind a Joe Randa and leave Billy as the super sub.

[berniebrewer4life]

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You have to live with Cub Fans to make that a priority, I know.

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Preachin to the choir Jet.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/happy.gif

[bjamesw22]

All I know is when teams need to get him out, they get him out.

 By Situation AB AVG OBP SLG OPS On Second 13 .231 .375 .538 .913 On Third 7 .429 .556 1.286 1.842 First and Second 14 .286 .444 .500 .944 First and Third 5 .600 .778 .800 1.578 Second and Third 1 .000 .833 .000 .833 (5 walks) Runners On 79 .253 .427 .468 .895 Scoring Position 46 .283 .500 .587 1.087 Scoring Posn, 2 out 18 .222 .517 .500 1.017 Men On, 2 out 28 .179 .425 .357 .782 Man on 3rd, <2 out 10 .300 .500 .600 1.100 Lead Off Inning 38 .158 .256 .368 .624

Seems to me like the only situations he DOESN'T hit in is when he leads off an inning when there is....nobody on. I don't understand where people come up with this stuff.

[Member]

Sample size, sample size, sample size....

 

 

(Oh, by the way: "Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey.)

[cooprules]

Give me a break bjames. I know you're a big stat guy so I'm not going to change your mind. I'm not trying to. Instead of crunching small sample numbers and computing situational at bats that make the score of the game at the time meaningless, just watch the games. Branyan has been no better than anyone else on this team at knocking in big runs.

[mikerollins]

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Instead of crunching small sample numbers and computing situational at bats that make the score of the game at the time meaningless, just watch the games.

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Exactly! Sometimes all it takes is an eye for baseball to sit down and see when someone can or can't hit consistently.

 

I don't need to crunch out situational stats, OPS, SLG, VORP, RISP, DJOEI, XISIEG, etc, etc to see that Russell Branyan is not a major league hitter. Just watching him he looks overmatched in most at-bats. Occasionally he'll get a hold of one and all his big time fans will get all excited and say...'YEAH!!! RUSSELL 3TO IS BACK MAN!! HE'S ON HIS WAY TO HIS 40 HR SEASON THAT I PREDICTED!! YEAH MAN!!" While the rest of us just think...well there's his HR for the month.

 

I like the guy. I'm intrigued by his power. I'd like him to succeed. But after watching/listening to about 125 games this year, I don't need stats to tell me he's a career AAA player who is lucky to be a platoon player on a ML roster.

[endaround]

Again people don't understand stats. You were saying Branyan is gotten out when needed to. Bjames comes up and shows that isn't the case. No sample size stuff here. Its fact. Bjames isn't the one making any prediction. Others based only looking at Branyan's failures while ignoring his successes are the ones who are making predictions off biased and even smaller samples.

[MadScientist]

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Seems to me like the only situations he DOESN'T hit in is when he leads off an inning when there is....nobody on. I don't understand where people come up with this stuff.

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Mostly they come up with it by looking at his pinch hits. He is terrible at pinch hitting. Given enought starts he will produce. However the Brewers can't give him enought starts because of his chronic shoulder problems. If that gets fixed, keep him, otherwise cut him loose. There's no point keeping a positional player on the 25 man roster who can't play every day.

 

Anyway this is the thread for discussing what a great win this game was and how it will keep us happy through the off day.

[mls4]

By my count, this is the 20th time the Brewers have hit 5 HRs in a game. They have hit 6 HRs twice (4/14/79 Hisle, Cooper 2, Molitor, Thomas, Oglivie; 9/25/01 Burnitz 3, Sexson 3) and 7 HRs once (4/29/80 Oglivie 2, Bando 2, Hisle, Molitor, Lezcano).

[mothershipconnection]

Seems to me like the only situations he DOESN'T hit in is when he leads off an inning when there is....nobody on. I don't understand where people come up with this stuff.

Because people, in general, are ignorant and stubborn. Someone will say "player X hits for crap late in the game", then you show them that his career avg. obp. and slg. all go up by 20% from the 6th inning on. Then, they say, well, I watch the games and I KNOW he doesn't hit well in those situations, and I don't need some stat to tell me. Or they'll just try to throw a red herring in there so you have to go out and prove something else to them: this is why I rarely bother getting too into stats on this site. To those who look at stats, presenting them is preaching to the choir while presenting stats to people who will never trust them more than their scattered observations is meaningless.

Why oh why can the burden of proof never be on the guy who makes his claims based on casual observation? How come that dude never has to do any research or number crunching? Probably because there's nothing there to analyze, as he has taken the lazy position and says "I just know".

The problem with relying on such "evidence" is that a) you are not intently watching every at-bat of every game all season and b) certain events will be more salient and stand out in your mind moreso than others. Sometimes we remember players for one event and base our opinion of them on that, like a guy who threw a no-hitter, or a crappy utilityman who happened to score a couple runs during the world series and parlayed that into being overpaid for several seasons.

[brewers19]

I wonder if a game thread has ever gotten locked before. The way Branyan discussions have been going lately, I'd say there is a very good possibility of this following suit.

[Brian the Automator]

[ I wonder if a game thread has ever gotten locked before. The way Branyan discussions have been going lately, I'd say there is a very good possibility of this following suit. ]

 

It's happened before, but i'm not going to pull the trigger on this one because i'm generally a bit more relaxed with them.

 

hint:

If you find yourself in an argument with the same group of people on the same topic, the problem isn't with them, it's with you.

[brewers19]

Or, if you continually find yourself in situations that have escalated past discussion and can be classified as an argument. Then it's probably time to step back and re-examine things.