Brewers Interested In Orioles First Baseman Ryan O'Hearn

What are we thinking that it would realistically take to get O'Hearn from the O's?  Rental 1B/DH putting up solid numbers this year.  Is this worth one of our young SP's with many years of control left (Henderson, Patrick or Myers)?  Personally, I don't think it is, but I'm guessing that the O's would at least want one of them for O'Hearn.  If not one of them, I think I'd be OK going with a Luke Adams and Tyson Hardin package.  Would certainly sting to lose both of those guys from our system (whom I do like), but I'm guessing that's the type of package that it'll probably take to get them - if we aren't OK giving up one of the three controllable SP's mentioned above.  

22 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

What are we thinking that it would realistically take to get O'Hearn from the O's?  Rental 1B/DH putting up solid numbers this year.  Is this worth one of our young SP's with many years of control left (Henderson, Patrick or Myers)?  Personally, I don't think it is, but I'm guessing that the O's would at least want one of them for O'Hearn.  If not one of them, I think I'd be OK going with a Luke Adams and Tyson Hardin package.  Would certainly sting to lose both of those guys from our system (whom I do like), but I'm guessing that's the type of package that it'll probably take to get them - if we aren't OK giving up one of the three controllable SP's mentioned above.  

Too much imo.

1 minute ago, TURBO said:

Too much imo.

I don't disagree, but something tells me that's probably what it would take to get a guy like O'Hearn.  Heck....we just gave up a top 30 prospect yesterday for a backup catcher.  O'Hearn is one of the best rental bats on the market this deadline and is an All-Star this year.  

No need for him

He's difficult to price because he has been horrible since June 1. Can't expect him to stay ice cold, but also do not want to pay for his career months in April/May.

I'm out on O'Hearn, I'd rather roll with Vaughn and hope and pray the magic continues.

I'm not putting guys like Henderson, Hardin, Myers, Patrick, Adams, Burke, etc on the table for this guy.  He just isn't reliable, and not a big enough needle mover.

4 hours ago, Madhawk23 said:

I don't disagree, but something tells me that's probably what it would take to get a guy like O'Hearn.  Heck....we just gave up a top 30 prospect yesterday for a backup catcher.  O'Hearn is one of the best rental bats on the market this deadline and is an All-Star this year.  

Just because we over-paid for our new back-up catcher, doesn't mean we should continue to over-pay for anyone else.

Also, because he is one of the best bats available, doesn't mean he is worth what it costs to get him.  If Carlos Santana is the best bat available, would you offer the same package that it would take to get O'Hearn?  He may be the best bat available, but that doesn't mean he is worth what it would cost to land him.

Pass.

turbo, one thing i've noticed in a lot of threads, is that you're too in love with our prospects in general and too unwilling to trade any of them.

You've gotta be give something to get something, and ultimately, most of these middle of the road prospects aren't going to amount to much in the big leagues.

16 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

turbo, one thing i've noticed in a lot of threads, is that you're too in love with our prospects in general and too unwilling to trade any of them.

You've gotta be give something to get something, and ultimately, most of these middle of the road prospects aren't going to amount to much in the big leagues.

That is partly true, I can't lie.

However, if we are going to part with top prospects (which is our lifeline since we don't dabble into the free agent pool for the big guys) then it better be for better players than Ryan "freaking" O'Hearn.

I hate rentals that cost us players that have 5+ years of team control.  Rentals can have a sneaky way of not working out, and that just doesn't sit well with me.

12 minutes ago, TURBO said:

That is partly true, I can't lie.

However, if we are going to part with top prospects (which is our lifeline since we don't dabble into the free agent pool for the big guys) then it better be for better players than Ryan "freaking" O'Hearn.

I hate rentals that cost us players that have 5+ years of team control.  Rentals can have a sneaky way of not working out, and that just doesn't sit well with me.

Your a person that just doesn't like taking risks

Somebody tell Turbo, all the prospects can’t/wont make the bigs. Identify the iffy prospects and trade them to help the big club, especially when the MLB team has thee best record in the bigs. Geez 

The caustic edge of some people here who think they’re paragons of courage and vision because they’re happy trading any given prospect for any given rental is exhausting.

Every decision involves risk. Trading for Ryan O’Hearn entails risk, yes. So does standing pat with Andrew Vaughn. So does cutting bait on Logan Henderson or whomever. 

Assessing value is hard. There are good deadline deals and bad deadline deals. Defaulting to only caring about rentals’ value and not caring about prospects’ value isn’t some kind of moral and intellectual high ground.

(To be clear, a bunch of people have made strong cases for the Jansen trade, and I completely respect their points.)

3 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Your a person that just doesn't like taking risks

lol

Thanks for the psychological evaluation, but if you knew me better, you'd know that just isn't true.

3 hours ago, SeaBass said:

I don't think that's true about Turbo at all. If you've paid attention to Turbo's posts over the years he's heavily invested in the minor league players. That goes beyond just knowing who the Brewers top prospects are. He goes to games specifically to watch those guys play. They aren't just names on paper to him. There's a deeper connection there. He's simply admitting his bias and there's a reason he has that bias.

ahhhh, somebody gets me.  

😄

All that you just typed is truth in a nutshell.

8 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Your a person that just doesn't like taking risks

No he’s a person that will take calculated risks but wants to be smart about it.

Big market teams can afford to unload prospects and then just replace them in free agency……….we can’t do that.

If Arnold has proven anything it’s that he usually knows what he’s doing.

Lets see what happens.

8 hours ago, KCBrewerfan34 said:

Somebody tell Turbo, all the prospects can’t/wont make the bigs. Identify the iffy prospects and trade them to help the big club, especially when the MLB team has thee best record in the bigs. Geez 

Other teams aren’t looking for “ iffy prospects “ for the kind of upgrades people want………….its a sellers market.

Im sure Arnold is willing to give up some prospects……but that doesn’t mean other teams are willing to give us what we want for those prospects. 

7 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Other teams aren’t looking for “ iffy prospects “ for the kind of upgrades people want………….its a sellers market.

Im sure Arnold is willing to give up some prospects……but that doesn’t mean other teams are willing to give us what we want for those prospects. 

Other teams also aren’t trading studs .  And I’m fine calling teams bluff to the last minute and maybe landing a Castro, Kwan, Mauricio since our offer of guys not including Pratt, Henderson, etc happened to be best after all.

One of the small market playbooks is to hoard prospects until you get a window, then sell them for the expensive rentals you can’t afford to sign in FA (CC Sabathia).