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    Welcome to Brewer Fanatic's 2023 top 20 prospect rundown! The Brewers graduated a number of their top prospects throughout the 2023 season, so there are some new names to look at heading into the offseason.

    Let's look at the second installment of prospects, which will cover 11-15, as voted on and compiled by the Brewer Fanatic community.

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    #15 OF Yophery Rodriguez (DSL Brewers)
    The Brewers handed Rodriguez their biggest signing bonus in the 2023 international class, giving him $1.5 million to join the system. Rodriguez doesn’t have one standout tool. Instead, he has one of the most balanced skill sets you will find from a player his age. A patient hitter with an average ability to make contact, Rodriguez is very young and has plenty of projection ahead of him as he matures. He has already shown some in-game pop, but it’s safe to project even more in the future. He has a flat swing path, which is part of the reason the power hasn’t quite come around yet. That swing path also allows him to make such consistent contact, though, and reports have him handling velocity and spin extremely well early in his career. His BABIP of .289 in the DSL is abnormally low, especially for a guy who hits the ball as hard as he does and only carries a 10% infield fly ball rate. He likely had some bad luck this year, and his numbers could have looked much better.

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    Rodriguez isn’t the fastest center fielder around, but he still has above-average speed overall, and he will likely be a capable base stealer as he advances through the system. Defensively, Rodriguez has excellent instincts and gets great jumps. He will have a chance to stick in center, but he also has a good enough arm to handle right field if needed. Rodriguez could have 55-grade tools across the board at his peak, making him a Top 100 prospect at minimum. His combination of advanced hitting skills and physical upside give him a pretty high floor, which is rare for his age, but also gives him a significant ceiling. Look for Rodriguez to follow the Luis Lara route next year, potentially skip the Arizona Complex League altogether, and make his full-season ball debut a month or so into the season.

    #14 RHP Logan Henderson (Carolina Mudcats)
    Henderson was the Brewers'. A fourth-round selection in 2021 out of McLennan Community College in Texas, and thus far, he’s looking like another fantastic find in the Junior College pitching ranks by the Brewers. He was committed to Texas A&M at the time of the draft, but Henderson chose to sign with the Brewers. Unfortunately, most of his first year and a half after signing was spent continuously bitten by the injury bug. Before the 2023 season, Henderson had only thrown 15.2 professional innings. 

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    Equipped with a low 90s fastball coming out of McLennan, he has raised his average velocity to a little closer to 93 and has even reached back for 97 MPH a few times. The fastball plays especially well when thrown up in the zone due to its high spin and spin efficiency. He spins his slider at nearly 3000 RPM, and it shows signs of being a nice pitch. At times, however, it seems that he loses the angle/tilt on the pitch, and in that scenario, the slider doesn’t move much. His best pitch, though, is his changeup. You would be hard-pressed to find a better changeup in the Brewers system. It has some airbender qualities when he’s really got it going. Like Devin Williams, the changeup is a great pitch on its own, but it also helps his fastball to play above the velocity readings. 

    Striking out over twelve batters per nine innings while walking fewer than three per nine, Henderson showed exactly what the Brewers saw in him at McClennan to use a fourth-round pick on him. Henderson mixed all his pitches with regularity and used them all in tandem to have a fantastic and, more importantly, healthy season. Given all of that success in 2023 and that he’s a bit older than the average prospect at Low-A, it would not be a huge surprise to see him skip High-A altogether and the Brewers have him begin 2024 in Double-A Biloxi.

    #13 1B/3B Luke Adams (Carolina Mudcats)
    The Brewers twelfth-round pick in the 2022 draft. Adams was drafted out of Hinsdale Central High School in Illinois and appeared to have been a nice find by Area Scout Ginger Poulson. Adams spent the first few weeks of the 2023 season still an 18-year-old before turning 19 in late April. Standing 6’4, 210 pounds, he comes with a rare blend of patience at the plate to go along with his plus raw power and surprising speed for his size. Adams has played a very solid third base where he has the arm to handle the position and has shown an early ability to make off-platform throws, which is not easily done at 6’4. He also spent some time at first base, where he is a definite above-average defender. His plus arm would be a good fit in right field as well, which he has the athleticism to handle.

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    At the plate, Adams has an… interesting swing, to say the least. It’s a very violent swing with a ton of moving parts. Yet, at the same time, he also shows an impressive amount of patience. The key for him will be continuing to find the balance between being passive and patient. Otherwise, that may be something that pitchers will be able to take advantage of as he begins to climb the organizational ladder. His loudest contact so far has been on the ground, though his overall batted ball profile suggests he has no issues getting the ball in the air. Early in the season, he struggled with hitting a lot of infield pop-ups, but he corrected that as the season progressed, and that was when he started to see his average climb. 

    When you hit the ball as hard as Adams does, a pop-up is the only ball in play that doesn’t have a chance. His 90th percentile exit velocity this year was 106 MPH. The MLB average for 90th percentile exit velocity in 2022 was 103.7 MPH. As an 18 and 19-year-old hitter, fresh out of high school, Adams posted exit velocity data that would have been well above average in MLB. While the swing isn’t the most visually appealing operation, his results, and batted ball data all point to a very good offensive prospect. Combine that with his stealing 30 bases this year and some interesting defensive skills; Adams will almost certainly have some ups and downs over the next few seasons, but he has an extremely high ceiling if he can put it all together. If Adams had not signed with the Brewers as a twelfth-round pick and had gone to Michigan State and posted batted ball data like this, he would likely already be generating first-round buzz in the 2025 draft.

    #12 RHP Josh Knoth (Yet to make pro debut)
    The Brewers Competitive Balance Round A selection in the most recent draft, Knoth has arguably the highest ceiling of the Brewers' day one selection. Knoth has a smooth delivery that is easily repeatable. Going back to the summer of 2022, his profile was extremely enticing, even though he only threw his fastball in the 90-93 range and was topping out at 95 at the time. This past spring, however, he was up to 98 on occasion and sitting more in the 93-96 range. The fastball has a good life at the top of the zone and pairs extremely well with what might be the best secondary offering in the entire system. That offering is his hammer curveball. It’s a 3000 RPM pitch with a late bite and a ton of vertical movement. His slider could also be a plus pitch, coming in on a different plane than his curve but also having sharp movement and a spin rate of around 3000 RPM. Knoth also mixes in a changeup that shows some interesting fade but doesn’t take as much velocity off of it as you would hope. The Brewers will likely work with him to create more separation between the fastball and changeup.

    Knoth will be 18 for the majority of next season, and barring an incredible spring training showing, the Brewers will likely keep him in extended spring training next year before he makes his debut with the ACL Brewers in mid-summer. Knoth’s upside on the mound might be second only to Jacob Misiorowski in the Brewers system, and the Brewers will likely be careful with his innings load at the beginning. Knoth is far from a finished product, but if he can stay healthy and they can maximize the pitch mix he already has, the Brewers could have a top-of-the-line starter on their hands in a few years.

    #11 SS Eric Brown Jr (Wisconsin Timber Rattlers, Biloxi Shuckers)
    Brown Jr, the Brewers' first-round pick in the 2022 draft, is a premium athlete at a premium position. He plays a strong shortstop defensively, where his arm is above average, especially with the quick release he uses to get his throws off. His quick-twitch athleticism, good range, and good hands have allowed him to make impressive defensive plays. At times, he has seemed to lose concentration and make some errors in some of his routine plays, but that is not uncommon for younger players. On the offensive side of the ball, Brown came out of Coastal Carolina with a very low strikeout rate and an even lower chase rate, to go along with some pretty intriguing exit velocity numbers. Brown Jr fell slightly and further than his numbers indicated, mainly due to his peculiar-looking load and stance in college and some concerns about elevating the ball. He was an analytical darling, but traditional scouts weren’t as convinced due to his stance. 

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    Last offseason, he made some changes and came into 2023 with a load involving much less movement than the one he was sporting in 2022. With his new load, his hands are still starting in an awkward position, out in front of his head, but his big change was with his lower half. No longer using his big leg kick (he has gone to a much quieter leg lift), Brown seemed to have a bit of an adjustment period to get used to this new load in games. His wRC+ through the end of April was 39. He was hit in the face by a pitch on April 26th but luckily avoided major injury, and after returning on May 3rd, he started hitting much more like one would expect a first-rounder to hit. From May 3rd through the end of the season, Brown Jr would post a 122 wRC+ and an OPS of .781 in that span. The Midwest League is a tough-hitting environment, and Brown Jr did pretty well when he was healthy. He limited his strikeouts to a very reasonable 17.2% rate and walked at a high rate. While he didn’t tap into the power that he has shown flashes of with much regularity, he did steal 39 bases while only being caught five times. 

    Brown Jr is taking part in the Arizona Fall League this offseason, and the hope is that he can take that experience to go along with what will hopefully be a healthier season in 2024 and show why the Brewers took him in the first round. His path thus far has been very similar to Tyler Black’s through Black’s first year and a half of pro ball. The hope is that Brown Jr will follow Black’s footsteps even further on his way to a breakout in 2024. He will likely begin next season in Double-A Biloxi.

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    I could see a path where all of these guys could be top 100 prospects at this point next year, undoubtedly the best 11-15 prospects in my life time. 

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    This team’s farm has many strengths, but to have the teenage talent they have is incredibly exciting. Chourio-Lara-Knoth-Pratt-Bitonti-Adames-Yophrey-Baez — wow.

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    Can’t quibble too much considering I forgot to vote and it’s only a couple two tree spots, but I’d have a hard time putting EBJ any lower than 8th.

    Nothing against the guys immediately ahead of him, but Boeve is going to have to hit & hit well considering the limitations of the rest of his profile. His bat might have a higher floor than EBJ’s, but the rest of the profile just doesn’t compare.

    Pratt is going to be two whole levels behind EBJ to open 2024 and there is just so much volatility with teenage prospects it’s hard for me to put him ahead of EBJ, who has a more stable profile with success already at A+.

    Lara has the best case with his success as an 18 year old legit CF in A ball already, but I’d still give the slight edge to EBJ since he’s a little farther up ladder and has better physicality with Lara not really having a frame that projects huge growth in that department.

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    1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

    Can’t quibble too much considering I forgot to vote and it’s only a couple two tree spots, but I’d have a hard time putting EBJ any lower than 8th.

    Nothing against the guys immediately ahead of him, but Boeve is going to have to hit & hit well considering the limitations of the rest of his profile. His bat might have a higher floor than EBJ’s, but the rest of the profile just doesn’t compare.

    Pratt is going to be two whole levels behind EBJ to open 2024 and there is just so much volatility with teenage prospects it’s hard for me to put him ahead of EBJ, who has a more stable profile with success already at A+.

    Lara has the best case with his success as an 18 year old legit CF in A ball already, but I’d still give the slight edge to EBJ since he’s a little farther up ladder and has better physicality with Lara not really having a frame that projects huge growth in that department.

    Agreed completely. My personal top 20 actually has EBJ 8th. I really like Boeve, but like you said, there’s a much higher floor with Brown due to the other things he does well.

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    I ended up with Brown 13th, but I think I had him 9th in an earlier version I lost. I must have just gone for youth in the final one (rest of that tier, including Knoth at 8, were all teens for a sizable chunk of the year). His year was so disjointed with the injuries that I just don’t know that there was enough there to bump him up a tier or even to the definite top of that one like Knoth (I am a sucker for upside pitching). The 9-13 spots, I had them basically even.

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    6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

    Can’t quibble too much considering I forgot to vote and it’s only a couple two tree spots, but I’d have a hard time putting EBJ any lower than 8th.

     

    I swear I wrote this. The merry-go-round returns to @sveumrules

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    Wait a moment. We have Boeve ranked higher than EBJ? Ummm, I'm sorry, but that's a big 'not in my book'. This is the 'danger' (I say this extremely casually) of relying on ACL data and possible draft recency bias. As Sveum alludes to, he will be entirely dependent on his hit tool. In the brief time I was able to watch him on a game-by-game basis at Wisconsin there were plenty more question marks than there were answers. Extremely limited positional flexibility (ie he is a second baseman). Fairly below average arm, by what I witnessed. And (the addendum here is we don't know what actually caused his season to end early), outside his first series at Wisconsin we saw that Exit Velocity and line drive rate plummet. I can personally say, after watching him play in 2023, I ended my viewing and prospect fandom placing Robert Moore above Boeve - despite Moore's generally ho-hum year at the plate. Moore smacked many a double. A larger sample size, yes absolutely, but he drove the ball harder and further with more regularity. AND, in the drop of the hat Moore has very competent capabilities to takeover shortstop duties. I actually ended my own 2023 Minor League viewing campaign questioning what we had in Boeve overall. He obviously needs to stay healthy but his bat will be literally everything and that's a big question mark as he faces increased levels in competition. I could have very easily made 2023 arguments to leave him outside my Top 20. He's not really in the same ball park as EBJ in terms of upside and blue chip prospect speak (in my very humble opinion).

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    6 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

    Wait a moment. We have Boeve ranked higher than EBJ? Ummm, I'm sorry, but that's a big 'not in my book'. This is the 'danger' (I say this extremely casually) of relying on ACL data and possible draft recency bias. As Sveum alludes to, he will be entirely dependent on his hit tool. In the brief time I was able to watch him on a game-by-game basis at Wisconsin there were plenty more question marks than there were answers. Extremely limited positional flexibility (ie he is a second baseman). Fairly below average arm, by what I witnessed. And (the addendum here is we don't know what actually caused his season to end early), outside his first series at Wisconsin we saw that Exit Velocity and line drive rate plummet. I can personally say, after watching him play in 2023, I ended my viewing and prospect fandom placing Robert Moore above Boeve - despite Moore's generally ho-hum year at the plate. Moore smacked many a double. A larger sample size, yes absolutely, but he drove the ball harder and further with more regularity. AND, in the drop of the hat Moore has very competent capabilities to takeover shortstop duties. I actually ended my own 2023 Minor League viewing campaign questioning what we had in Boeve overall. He obviously needs to stay healthy but his bat will be literally everything and that's a big question mark as he faces increased levels in competition. I could have very easily made 2023 arguments to leave him outside my Top 20. He's not really in the same ball park as EBJ in terms of upside and blue chip prospect speak (in my very humble opinion).

    I have Moore about 15 spots lower than Boeve. I've been a big believer in him since before the draft, but I do agree with the premise on EBJ being a pretty easy choice over Boeve. I was pretty shocked by that one... Just don't agree with it at all. But a full breakdown on Boeve is forthcoming. The Top 10 all will have their own individual, deeper dives coming out over the next few weeks.

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    4 minutes ago, Smichaelis9 said:

    I have Moore about 15 spots lower than Boeve. I've been a big believer in him since before the draft, but I do agree with the premise on EBJ being a pretty easy choice over Boeve. I was pretty shocked by that one... Just don't agree with it at all. But a full breakdown on Boeve is forthcoming. The Top 10 all will have their own individual, deeper dives coming out over the next few weeks.

    I know it is my friend and, as always, I greatly look forward to it.

    My Moore comments, here, are strictly related to the 2023 season - for clarity sake. I didn't rank Moore in my Top 20 (and, by now, you know how I feel about my rankings regardless - throw them in the trash! I'm an old man) but as the season progressed and the sample sizes piled on I grew more fond of what he offered Joe Ayrault and his teammates. Almost always available. Very very capable of playing elite defense at 2B and surprised me with his improved defense at SS - though his range is more limited there due to his size and wingspan he actually took that range to its max as he played it more and more and made several laid out web gems I was definitively not anticipating. His fill in play there was so crucial for the T-Rats in the second half as they made a legitimate run at the post-season. Without his savvy there I don't know they stay steady when EBJ was absent yet again. And, it seemed every time I lamented Moore's early season slump and his low 'hit for average' he would crack another gap double to the wall. I think there's a lot more in his bag than we guesstimate because we plateau'd as his play seemed to taper off. Regardless, he's a really solid 'Ace up the Sleeve' should he ever further advance the bat tool. 

    The wonder of the Brewers system is the massive pool of middle infield prospects ready to make their respective runs over the next several years - from the DSL stateside into High-A. Where these prospect chips fall is indeed one of the most alluring qualities of the system at large. I look at a guy like Moore and he seems like another player in the mold of Patrick Dorrian - Nashville's 'Fan Favorite' award winner in 2023. Another uber-talented player who flied entirely under-the-radar - and, this, in large part, likely due to his massive slump to close out his 2023. Where he lacks the SS capabilities that Moore innately has, Dorrian plays a very very good 3B and a very good 2B. And, when he's not inexplicably mired in a strikeout rut, he hits long balls and gappers like clockwork.

    Anywho, getting wordy. Off-season and all. Love these reports. Love the conversations. Brewers baseball. 365 days a year.

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    3 hours ago, Smichaelis9 said:

    I have Moore about 15 spots lower than Boeve. I've been a big believer in him since before the draft, but I do agree with the premise on EBJ being a pretty easy choice over Boeve. I was pretty shocked by that one... Just don't agree with it at all. But a full breakdown on Boeve is forthcoming. The Top 10 all will have their own individual, deeper dives coming out over the next few weeks.

    Looking through the individual rankings quickly, it appears that EBJ was ranked ahead of Boeve on about half of the lists.  EBJ did not appear on a couple of lists at all in the top 20 which probably accounts for his drop. 

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    @Smichaelis9these write ups are great as usual.  The best part is the deep dive in explaining their data and adjustments they are making.  I follow the stats all season but you charting out their trends, e.g, Brown getting above an OPS of .780 after a tough start, is very helpful.  

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    EBJ vs Boeve:

    I think it comes down to how you evaluate prospects. Defense and a defensive home plays a role, but give me tools or a hitting prowess over arm/defense only. I rank Boeve higher because of potential hitting, and some biases (hoping for a Black type of progress).

    Brown seems like an athlete with good defense but never seen the offensive abilities so far.

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    18 minutes ago, biedergb said:

    EBJ vs Boeve:

    I think it comes down to how you evaluate prospects. Defense and a defensive home plays a role, but give me tools or a hitting prowess over arm/defense only. I rank Boeve higher because of potential hitting, and some biases (hoping for a Black type of progress).

    Brown seems like an athlete with good defense but never seen the offensive abilities so far.

    During their draft summers...

    Brown hit 308/471/539 (17 PA) in the ACL
    Boeve hit 500/556/1000 (36 PA) in the ACL

    Brown hit 262/370/441 (100 PA) at CAR 
    Boeve hit 250/333/333 (84 PA) at WIS

    Boeve hasn't had a crack at his first full season yet, but Brown hit...

    Slow Start
    A+: 12 G | 54 PA | 102/185/102

    Figured It Out
    A+: 36 G | 162 PA | 326/426/437

    INJURED

    Return from Injury/Promoted to AA
    A+/AA: 20 G | 79 PA | 235/329/309

    Currently in Fall League
    AZL: 8 G | 35 PA | 314/400/457

    So we've seen Brown hit for 17 PA in the ACL, 100 PA at CAR, 162 PA at WIS and now 35 PA in the AZL versus only seeing Boeve hit for 36 PA in the ACL.

    I hope that Boeve turns out like Black too, but that's putting a lot of faith into those 36 PAs as a man among boys on the complex. Brown has a performance record well beyond that level already while being worlds better on the bases and in the field.

     

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    2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

    During their draft summers...

    Brown hit 308/471/539 (17 PA) in the ACL
    Boeve hit 500/556/1000 (36 PA) in the ACL

    Brown hit 262/370/441 (100 PA) at CAR 
    Boeve hit 250/333/333 (84 PA) at WIS

    Boeve hasn't had a crack at his first full season yet, but Brown hit...

    Slow Start
    A+: 12 G | 54 PA | 102/185/102

    Figured It Out
    A+: 36 G | 162 PA | 326/426/437

    INJURED

    Return from Injury/Promoted to AA
    A+/AA: 20 G | 79 PA | 235/329/309

    Currently in Fall League
    AZL: 8 G | 35 PA | 314/400/457

    So we've seen Brown hit for 17 PA in the ACL, 100 PA at CAR, 162 PA at WIS and now 35 PA in the AZL versus only seeing Boeve hit for 36 PA in the ACL.

    I hope that Boeve turns out like Black too, but that's putting a lot of faith into those 36 PAs as a man among boys on the complex. Brown has a performance record well beyond that level already while being worlds better on the bases and in the field.

     

    How fun is it to have such an in depth and ongoing conversation about these players we all hope achieve their best baseball as Brewers?! 

    EBJ is also acquitting himself more than well in the AFL earning his way into the top 3 of the batting order and positionally working both SS and 2B (his first such innings in 2023). In 35 AB in an 8 game sample size - hey they don't play many games down yonder anyhow - to date EBJ has a 3 2B, 1 3B, 5 BB, 9 K, 9 R, 9 RBI 314/400/457. 

    I personally think casting Boeve as a possible Black-like breakout is fairly misplaced in this comparison above but I understand the stretch. If we were going that route, we might also just consider EBJ - given he is just as athletic as Black (and much better defensively) - as he continues to adjust and build off his tweaked batting stance while aiming to stay healthy for an entire season. He'll likely never have the contact skills Black does (not many will, if we're being honest). Regardless to say EBJ is merely an athlete with good defense is fairly miscast, again, in my opinion. He simply hasn't been healthy long enough to build off momentum he has definitely created.

    All this being said, I don't base any of my subjective player opinions solely on stats. So, in Boeve's case I was absolutely thrilled to see him hit the ACL ground running and the High-A promotion made quite a bit of sense given his age but it was a very big unknown. After the game 1 back-to-back Wilken/Boeve HR's it felt dreamy. But, that fell back to Earth fairly quickly for Boeve. I use the greater statistical compilations after I've watched players play for significant stretches. So, in his particular case when I started seeing numerous weakly hit dribblers and topped balls and a complete loss of line drives I knew something was up - it was either an uncharacteristic slump; a problem; or he was injured. Unfortunately, the last memory I have of him was botching an very routine groundball up the middle that ultimately cost his team runs and possibly the game. System wide, back to my own approach, I hope the players' stats back what I'm seeing but I try to use both of these to create a complete picture. I am fortunate in that I have the lifestyle and farm set-up to do this - it certainly seems rare (maybe it isn't).  I know there are historical trends and probabilities embedded in the statistics (this is most useful, for me, in the DSL and to an extent the ACL where we literally have no ability to see the games) but it is my personal experience that watching of the players means quite a bit more to me in the depth of understanding of who they are as a players - where they might go; what they might be working on; how circumstances and contexts skew things etc. A case and point to this is if you just peaked at, say, RHP Cameron Wagoner's stats you'd probably think he had a woeful 2023. When, in reality he had a fantastic season of development and growth and really solidified himself as a possible breakout candidate in 2024. OR, also in the pitching ranks, how RHP Tanner Shears' wild is a much different wild than a RHP Jesus Rivero or another notch down the ladder a RHP Quinton Low. None of that is really in the stats other than likely comparable FIP's or glaring BB:K anomalies. But, they are not all created equal. And, to once again go back to the pitching ranks, it's why I felt RHP Edwin Jimenez was due for a breakout. I said it all last season that despite his inconsistency his raw stuff was as close to a young RHP Mike Fiers as I've seen in the system since...well Mike Fiers. So, his stretches of brilliance in 2023 were completely unsurprising to me. Who is next in this breakout department for me? Off the top of my head, RHP TJ Shook. Somehow completely off the radar but, man, when he has his location going his change-up and curve play to both sides of the batters box. He has the build too - his lower body is very very developed. I personally think he just tapped into what it could be like for him to be a MLB pitcher last year for the Shuckers. I could very very much see a rise for Shook like we saw with RHP Tobias Myers by season's end - who is very much in play for the Brewers bullpen in 2024 and who may very will get a 40-man spot to protect him from Rule 5. What he did at Nashville in that final week was extremely impressive. And, this after already leading the system in punch outs for 2023. I am very excited to see what both of these young men do in 2024.

    Anywho, I digress. I think it's clear where I stand in the EBJ/Boeve discourse 🤣

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    Right. I was stating that there is a completely subjective side to valuing the prospects. Brown has struggled some offensively and Boeve hasn’t been tested. So because he hasn’t had that cold spell I give him more on potential, and his pedigree is strong too being a high round pick.

    I will not argue that the Black comparison is anything more that recency bias, and that will factor into my equation, and the comparison was more as hit first players who need a defensive home. Brown has the defense and his hit tool is good, but don’t see much power. Biases are always a factor - just like myself and others have been upgrading pitching prospects given the track history in 2019-2021. But no the lack of high end pitching prospects success (Small as one example only) I am downgrading it some.  Accurate- absolutely not. But prospect voting is as much bias, and extrapolation, and now analytics as well.

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    34 minutes ago, biedergb said:

    Right. I was stating that there is a completely subjective side to valuing the prospects. Brown has struggled some offensively and Boeve hasn’t been tested. So because he hasn’t had that cold spell I give him more on potential, and his pedigree is strong too being a high round pick.

    I will not argue that the Black comparison is anything more that recency bias, and that will factor into my equation, and the comparison was more as hit first players who need a defensive home. Brown has the defense and his hit tool is good, but don’t see much power. Biases are always a factor - just like myself and others have been upgrading pitching prospects given the track history in 2019-2021. But no the lack of high end pitching prospects success (Small as one example only) I am downgrading it some.  Accurate- absolutely not. But prospect voting is as much bias, and extrapolation, and now analytics as well.

    This is really well said. Thanks.

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    I think the home run power that Boeve displayed in the ACL caused a lot of people to move him up (me included, I think I had him 40th immediately after the draft) because every bit of power he showed gave his profile a little more margin for error. I fully expected him to be great in the ACL. Advanced college bats with his profile should be great in the ACL, especially with how great the league was for offense this year. It was the method that was surprising.

    The question is, is that sustainable against better competition? The thing about Black is that while he is hardly a prototypical power hitter, he gets to the power he does have with such stunning regularity that it doesn't matter. The guy had the third best ISO of any Brewers minor leaguer with at least 200 plate appearances last season, trailing only Clarke and Hiura. The competition level in the ACL simply isn't sufficient to convince me that Boeve is going to be able to do it long term, at least not enough to put him before my third tier drop at 13.

    Similarly, if you believe Brown's the .788 guy from the stretch pre-injury, then he was one of the best offensive shortstops in the Midwest League. If you think he is closer to the totality of his season, then he was simply OK.

    I'm kind of in the wait and see camp on both, but Brown plays shortstop. That's what bumped him up to the higher tier for me.

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