What TLB is trying to say is the system and the Brewers didn't give a damn what kind of seasons him, JJ, Prince, etc were having a few years ago (06, 07) when they were puting up All-Star numbers and the Brewers were just renewing their contracts for 430K, etc. That's the system. I'd look back through the archives if I thought I'd find it, but I didn't see anyone vouching to give Corey or Prince more money then? It's ok for the "system" then, but now it's not?? Let's just let the "system" play out and worry about what Corey does or doesn't do on the field, but let's not try and pretend for one second that you'd wouldn't try to get an extra 600k out of your employer's system, when that same system didn't give a crap about your performance in the past. This is basically what I was getting at, yes. So because he had a good 2007, he just gets a pass from now on? That's absolutely not what I said. I said the fact that he put up an .892 OPS has created unrealistic expectations. He is absolutely worth roughly $4M-$5M unless he's actually "trending downward", but realistically, there isn't any way to know yet whether he's trending downward, or if he's merely had a couple of down seasons. His LD% last season was basically identical to his 2007 number. The rest of his swing data looks pretty similar aside from him just swinging less overall in 2009 (Hart & the team have addressed this, basically saying that he's not going to be asked anymore to take pitches for the sake of taking pitches like he was in '09). The only thing I can see that's been down is his HR/FB%, which iirc tends to fluctuate for all players. I could be wrong on that one, though. I hope someone can confirm that or refute that. Nady appears to have put it together in 2008 (4.0 WAR), then was setback by injuries in 2009 and basically did not play. He isn't coming off of 2 underpreforming years where he just plain sucked. One good season out of a 6-year career from Nady definitely means he's put it all together? A season in which he had a .337 BABIP, his BB & K rates really weren't much different from career norms? I think he's a pretty apt comparison. And why is Nady's injury history relevant, and Corey Hart's isn't? Who's to say that the appendix wasn't giving him problems he was just trying to gut his way through? After all, it was described as an emergency procedure -- why isn't it possible that he was dealing with pain for a decent chunk of the season? I don't pretend to know, but it just seems all too convenient to say that the appenix issue doesn't count. Your assertion that we shouldn't "pretend that nobody would try to get an extra 600k out of our employer when that system didn't give a crap before" doesn't apply to Corey' situation at all. How does it not apply? Because you're annoyed at Corey Hart for not being a perennial .900 OPS player, & he's looking to make as much money as he possibly can? Hart can easily lose his arbitration case, and I'm sure he's well aware of that. Maybe he feels like risking an additional ~$300K is worth it with a decent shot at an extra ~$750K. I mean, we're talking about nearly an extra million bucks there. Does he deserve it? I don't even think it's worth it for fans to worry about that. The extra money he may win will mean next to nothing to the Brewers, and could mean a whole heck of a lot to Hart & his family. If he wins his arbitration case, he's certainly not hamstringing the Brewers' payroll flexibility. And if he loses, well then I guess he felt that risk was worth $300K. I mean, some people are literally passing judgment on this guy over an amount that means zero to the Brewers' competitive chances in 2010 or beyond. It just makes no sense to me. I'd like to say, on the record, that I really don't like or dislike Corey Hart. I just find the backlash & venomous distaste overwhelming.