I said I didn't understand his methodology because random guessing isn't methodology. That's cool if you're talking about guesstimates on individual players' win totals, but to then say that you can somehow figure out how many wins the team will have is too big a stretch imo. If those two cannot combine to win 30ish games, do the Brewers have any shot of getting to the 88 or so that will be needed to make the playoffs? Suppan, Looper, Bush...I think not. The truth is that you have no idea, and no way of knowing. The point is, those two guys would appear to have the potential to post win totals in the mid-teens. There is nothing random about it. If they can do that, and the other spots can average 9-10 wins each, that puts the Brewers in position to compete for the playoffs. On the other hand, if those two combine for only 20 wins or so, now it will require the other 3 spots to do much more if the Brewers are to flirt with the playoffs. I don't see the other starters being capable of that. It's not whether the other starters are capable, it's if the team is capable. Every year the W-L thing pops up when it comes to pitching, and when you talk about individual players, then imo it's harmless. Once you make the leap into team win projections based on some random guess of what a pitcher 'is' or 'isn't', then you're just on a fool's errand imo.