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I think I basically agree with you and TJ7. I think he wants it a bit more "set" though, and I like the flexibility. But I think we're more or less talking about the same thing. Have multiple guys in the BP who are capable of pitching multiple innings. Does one need to be tied to a starter? I think that hurts the flexibility. Yank a guy after going through the line-up twice? I think it depends on the score, who your facing, lots of things. For some of these young pitchers, the only way they can learn to get better going through a line-up a 3rd and 4th time is to do it. I'm not so sure managers are set in their ways against this, I think it's a matter of finding guys who can do it. In recent years relief pitchers only pitching one inning is the norm, but wasn't all that long ago that wasn't the case. Fun discussion though, beats talking about Cobb for a change!
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And what if one or both suck? You just throw it out there like "No problem, one guy goes 4, then the next goes 4-5." It will rarely work out that way. Why is the idea of a starter cruising nonsense? Suter had a few starts like that, so did Woodruff. Eva\en 1 out of 2 Wilkerson starts he put up 7 strong innings. The notion of benching someone who's pitching well just because it's time for his piggyback partner to get his innings is just crazy to me. But the bigger question to all this is WHY? What is the advantage? Or put another way, what is the disadvantage to having 5 starters go as long as they can, and have an 8 man BP ready to pick up innings as needed?
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that he should "panic". As much as it pains me to justify Briggs's longtime argument, look at the Scooter Gennett situation last year. I would say the team overplayed it hand there, and ended up dumping a useful player that ended up getting snapped up by a division rival and having a career year. I think fans are worried that the situation may play out again this year with the glut of OF and 1B candidates. No one is against looking past 2018, but none of us want to see them give away assets again due to roster mismanagement, either. That will happen, you can't avoid losing quality players. It's a function of getting better at the MiLB and MLB levels. Who are they giving away this year anyhow? Maybe Aguilar?
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What did you say a year ago when they entered the 2017 season with: 1. Guerra 2. Peralta 3. Nelson 4. Davies 5. Anderson DL- Garza I understand your point but the Brewers in 2017 hadn't just traded 3 top ten prospects for Christian Yelich, nor had they invested $80 million in Lorenzo Cain. Those moves, combined with the success of 2017, have drastically changed fans expectations and smart fans recognize a glut of talented OF and a dearth of talented SP. This roster is oddly constructed and while I trust Stearns and think he has done an amazing job as GM, I think he may have misplayed his hand in regard to the OF and SP. So he should panic and trade OFs for less than they're worth, and sign SP for more than they're worth? It's not "misplaying his hand" to look beyond 2018.
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Yelich and Cain aren't on one year contracts. It's not like they had a surprise season in 2017, so Stearns is going "all in" this year. In fact, even if they get Cobb that's still not going all in. He's continuing to make the MLB roster better, while not destroying the farm system.
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All of that makes sense, and you don't need a rigid piggyback system to accomplish what you're talking about. If you have 3-4 guys in your pen that can pitch multiple innings, that would serve the same purpose without being so locked in to pitching certain relievers in certain games. Maybe one guy (let's use Suter as an example) is pitching really well in long relief. Why not pitch him twice a week at 2-3 innings each instead of saving him just for a piggyback once a week? And again, what happens when the starter is cruising? You take him out after 4 or 5 just because it's someone else's turn? I'm not against change. Heck, the massive defensive shifts work, and that would have been laughable back in the day. But that doesn't mean every change is a good idea. Bernie sliding onto a platform instead of into a mug is a good example of that.
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This piggyback idea has been kicked around now for at least a couple years around here. It has its merits. Problem is, its too rigid. Too many things can happen to blow it up. One of many examples, what happens when Guerra or Woodruff go 7? Now their counterpart doesnt pitch for 10 days. I do think the trend is to have more arms capable of going multiple innings, we started seeing that last year already. That's the closest we'll get to piggyback starts. But it won't be as strict as tying two guys together, or two sets of piggyback starters.
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I just don't see Yo and Guerra for options in the pen. Miley, possibly. But I think they're in the rotation either in Milwaukee or Colorado Springs.
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True, but who steps in at SS? Sogard is the best option there out of those three. Honestly, since they are all short term solutions I would have rolled with both Walker and Sogard and traded Perez. First, Perez would definitely have trade value. Secondly, his versatility to play OF really isn't needed this year. But main reason, I like guys who can PH where you have a good feeling they can put the bat on the ball or take a walk. Perez just has way too many bad ABs for my liking.
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That is how they usually announce them as. Wish I could think of a recent example. I don’t think it is fully tagged to your payroll, just what you actually pay is. Not sure why they do it. Maybe for arbitration reasons? If you go to arbitration that team really valued you as a $15mil player not a $7mil player for last years salary. Maybe it is for basic comparison reasons? Not totally sure. I would think it depends on the contract. If the contract says $15MM, it's $15MM even for that half season. Otherwise it would be worded to say $7.5MM in 2018, $15MM in 2019, $15MM 2020, etc.
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So if someone offered him $250MM today, he would still wait until end of March? Got it.
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Broxton getting more interest than Santana?
FVBrewerFan replied to TURBO's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Package like they got for Lind would be perfect. No immediate crunch on 40 man, but building high ceiling talent in the lower minors. Not every deal needs to be for mlb level talent. -
What is the budget limit then if you know? Spending money on the Sogards, Gallardos, Mileys of the world is a really Milwaukee Bucks way to do things. Budget limit is higher that $2MM more. Every deal stands on it's own merit. They obviously want to another pitcher in the rotation, but not at any price. So their max salary is a static number, it is not etched in stone. Difference is two-fold. The Bucks have a salary cap, so a bad move DOES tie up money that could be spent elsewhere. Secondly, the Bucks bad signings are generally longer term contracts. I'm not even arguing they should have those guys in the rotation. I'm just saying financially it won't make a difference. If it's up to me, I'm rolling with Woodruff and Wilkerson until Nelson gets back. I would even consider Perrin or Derby for the 5th spot.
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2018 Minor League Roster Forecast
FVBrewerFan replied to And That's topic in Brewers Minor League Talk
Interesting, one year later and it's a struggle to put more than 3 OFs at each level. -
Their salaries would not prevent the Brewers from doing anything else they wanted to do. The Brewers had the lowest payroll in baseball last year and now they don't care about millions of dollars? I don't remember saying they "don't care" about millions of dollars. Obviously this year is different than last year, and you know that. Yes, I do know that paying Yo $2MM on a one year deal will not prevent them from doing anything else they want to do.
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Their salaries would not prevent the Brewers from doing anything else they wanted to do.
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Is that really what they're doing, though? IMHO Stearns is posturing with the "we like our group" stuff. Maybe they do, but I would definitely not assume that the Brewers aren't going to add a starter from the Group of 3 within the next couple of weeks. I'd still be surprised if they don't. Stearns is trying to build leverage, IMO. I agreed with you up to the point of saying "trying to build leverage." There is no leverage talking about Yo and Miley in the rotation. Other teams know it, the agents know it, we know it. With that said, yea, it's just GM speak. "We like our guys." Sometimes we all fall prey to what Stearns says, when 90% of the time it's just GM speak. There is a chance nothing happens, but I think it's pretty obvious he would like to sign and/or trade for at least one more arm.
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Are there any other teams with four guys who can average 20 PPG? Maybe there is, and just not coming to mind, but the Bucks have them. And then Brogdon is a legit 15-18 PPG. That's why it's dumbfounding when they go through stretches of 3-4 games where have trouble scoring. At this point, there is no secret. They need more intensity and toughness on defense. Not sometimes...all the time. And move the ball on offense. That iso stuff with Middleton and Giannis was really tough to watch. Really comes down to this. Do they want to win, or do they want stats? Because with four guys capable of scoring a ton, something has to give. Honestly, I think once Jabari is back 100% I truly believe he could be the leading scorer if he wanted to be. Can these guys be team players enough to let the game come to them? Answer to that question will determine how far they go this season.
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Always depends on the pitcher. For guys like Anderson, Davies, Chacin, etc. no, ST results don't matter- they have their spot. But if there are specific things they're working on with guys like Yo and Miley then how they progress (or not) in ST will make a big difference like it or not. As I said earlier, options also come into play here.
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If we're going by ST results, Woodruff hasn't looked very good so far either. At some point you have to fill the 4/5 spots with somebody. Also, options play a role and if I'm not mistaken Woodruff and Suter both have options? Anyone else....Guerra? I must say, looking at past results and ST results Suter/Wilkerson look like the best options to fill those spots.
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2018 Fox Sports WI Spring Training TV schedule
FVBrewerFan replied to TURBO's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Hmm...I have Spectrum and don't get that channel. Must not have the right package :/ If you get FSN you get the alternate channel, it's just usually not listed unless something is on it. -
Really man? Just surprised to see a mod being a funny man and posting stuff like that. Did you carefully read his post? "110% chance of signing unless he doesn't." I get how sometimes we can't tell if a poster is using sarcasm, but this is about as obvious as it can be isn't it?
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If you build the team to allow it. He doesn’t go deep into games intentionally and I doubt that really changes. If you have a deep bullpen to carry the extra innings it could be pretty effective. We do plan on going with the 8 man pen so that would work in his favor. If the pen ends up not being deep though it is not going to work out very well for us. Yea, I'm done with the doubting Suter game. Every step of the way he has surpassed what I thought he could do. As brew pointed out, he did go 6+ in almost 1/3 of his starts. And he could have gone deeper in most of those others. I really don't think he's much different than the vast majority of MLB starters these days in that regard.
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Pretty much this. If the team is underperforming near the break and Knebel is lights out again then it could get interesting. Yea, I was advocating trading him and others in the off-season. But now that they have made (and likely making more moves) to compete, it doesn't make much sense to trade him now. But I agree, if things go south this year I think Knebel will be on the trading block at the trade deadline. (Unless he's part of the reason they went south, of course.) If he puts up numbers even similar to last year he will have massive value, because he has proven he's not a one year wonder.
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And Wren looks like Ted Williams. I'm excited about Hiura too, but we really REALLY need to put ST performance in context, especially extremely small sample sizes.