JohnBriggs12

Are you even looking at Olt's numbers? 2011 Advanced A ball .267/.387/.504 2012 AA .288/.398/.579 He no doubt struggled in AAA in 2013 but then went to AAA in 2014 and hit .302/.348/.585 and this year he's hitting a not as good but still decent .265/.333/.460. Minors career Rogers .290/.372/.466 Olt .263/.361/.486 And while Olt hasn't done much in his time in the majors, neither has Rogers. Unless you consider a .647 OPS doing something. And I really don't care where he plays although it would obviously be 3rd base with us since we have nothing there. He's just as good of an option as Rogers, Herrera, Clark or any other player you could think of throwing out at 1st or 3rd base with the potential to be a possible solution for at least a few years. Olt hasn't done much in his time in the majors is the understatement of the century. His major league career average is .158. A lot of pitchers are better than that. Olt was given the everyday 3B job for the worst team in baseball starting 2014 and couldn't hold it. Give Rogers 3 months of playing every day and I'm sure he'll put up much better numbers that he has getting 3-4 AB's per week. Why is everyone just writing off Hernan Perez? He's 24. He's showing a lot of gap power in the major leagues and should start hitting more HR over time. He's not a little guy either. He's put together pretty well. He makes decent contact and is more than adequate defensively at 3B. Counsell should be playing him every day. There's nothing in his minor league splits that suggest he should be a platoon player.

I'd rather see Perez get a shot instead of this ridiculous platoon with Herrera. Olt's 27 and still hasn't learned how to make contact. Olt had a half season of playing every day with the Cubs and hit .160. No thanks.

I think those are solid estimates. Peralta might be a tad high, but not much. Obviously a nice (or naughty) September could changes things - especially Peralta and Segura. Estrada got $3.9 million so I actually think I might be low if anything with Peralta. Peralta's record of accomplishment to date has been at least on par with Estrada's through 2014.

Guys who aren't locks to make the team out of spring training have zero leverage so the arby situation really doesn't apply. Either they'll be non-tendered and sign elsewhere or agree to a contract just barely above minimum salary. If for instance Thornburg got $1.2 million arbitration award, it actually hurts his chances of making the team. Same would go with Schafer, who could well be removed from the 40 man after the season anyway. They've essentially got the same guy in Wren at AAA who'll make the minimum.

Peralta: $3.9 million Segura: $2.6 million Smith: $1.8 million

The free agent 3B are sad. From mlbtraderumors.com: Mike Aviles (35) Gordon Beckham (29) David Freese (33) Maicer Izturis (35) – $3MM club option with a $1MM buyout Casey McGehee (32) Aramis Ramirez (38) Juan Uribe (37) Uribe is an okay hitter, but he's declining, plus he's getting old and fat. Freese is probably the only 'everyday' player in the group. He's hit just over .700 OPS over the past two years, so he's not anything special. If you were a contending club, and you had a huge black hole at 3B, you could probably live with someone like Freese. But guys like him aren't going to be with us long term. Like you say, we need a long term solution. At this point, I probably just roll with Dominguez or someone like him (maybe try some minor league free agents or swing a trade for someone). Perez's bat won't play at 3B, and Rogers glove won't either. Not that I think Dominguez is the long term solution, but he was highly regarded, has shown the ability to hit for power in the majors, and just turned 26 (today!). There's some room in there for him to improve - maybe get things to click. But I honestly don't think it's going to happen. It's not like he's raking at AAA (sub- .700 OPS). Still, he's probably the best option at this time. We can live with an experiment in 2016 - if Dominguez or whomever flops, no big deal. We aren't going to be that good so now is the time to risk it. What evidence is there that Perez' bat won't play at 3B? That's a pretty definitive statement for a guy who's just 24. Sure he has just 1 HR, but if memory serves at least 3 of his 13 doubles were banged off the wall and one of his singles was as well. Speaking of doubles, 13 in 160 plate appearances as a Brewer? That extrapolates to 52 in a full season of 640 PA. I personally can't understand Counsell's insistence on sitting him against RHP in favor of a journeyman utility guy like Herrera. Perez had better splits vs. RHP at AAA last year: .291/.340/.410 than he did against LHP: .274/.311/.384. Why is he being platooned other than Counsell having a soft spot for career utility guys like he was?

I'm more of the opinion that he went through an in-season dead arm period. He missed 2 full months, then essentially went through a speeded up spring training building up his innings again. Early in the year, he wasn't getting any run support.

Segura gives it his all on a daily basis. He's not good enough to be a reason a team wins, but he's good enough to play on one that does. This season tanked because the guys who were supposed lead this team, failed miserably early on, especially the two high priced starting pitchers. Segura was one of the few who was producing in April when this team sealed its fate. But his skill set isn't one that's going to carry a team. The hope is Arcia is a guy who will be a cornerstone type player on a winning team. When he's ready, you shop Segura. It's pretty simple. There are going to be teams that need a SS that will be interested.

"I've never been enthralled with Gennett" Gennett is 25 and has a career OPS in the major leagues of .756. Kelly is 27 and has a career OPS in AAA of .765. I'm a lot more enthralled by Gennett than Kelly.

Probably a matter of no one out there who will give them enough value in return.

Unless they deal Davis or Braun, why not just play Santana in CF? Sure he's out of position but they have a season to evaluate to see if his bat will play in a corner spot. Let Shafer or Wren be the late inning defensive replacement. I would have figured they could find a capable stopgap for a year, but I'm warming to the idea of Santana's pop being in there. They may not be contenders but they will have some mashers to watch.

Meanwhile Lucroy after stumbling through first 3/4 of the year suddenly has found his stroke.

Harper plays with the same type of passion. He could have 3 HR in a game and his team up by 10 but if he misses a pitch he thinks he should damage, he shows it.

I don't know how you can say that, as if it's nothing. There is no value in having anyone 30+ years old on the roster right now. And yes, we'll see how the young arms do before we know for sure how good this trade was. By the same token, we'll see how good Fiers is next year and the year after as well. I agree. The fact that he's 30+ makes it more likely that he'll regress sooner than if he was 26. It's that simple Pitchers can regress at any age. Not saying it was a bad deal just that they controlled Fiers through 2020 and with his late start as a professional, he doesn't have a ton of mileage on his arm. Fiers has a grand total of 851 professional innings. Nelson has 797. Peralta has 1,128. I'm guessing Fiers has some good years left. Given what the Brewers have had to spend on mediocre pitching over the years because they haven't produced enough of their own and pitching prospects they have dealt for never seem to live up to their scouting reports, it was tough letting him go. It might well have been necessary to part with him. That doesn't mean he couldn't have been very useful over the next 3-4 seasons as their young talent is emerging.

Aren't we all forgetting Brian McCann is on the Yankees? He didn't play yesterday and was probably the guy who first shouted at Gomez. McCann thinks he's the arbiter of the unwritten baseball rules.

We'll never know what, if any, offer was on the table for Gomez alone from the Astros. For all we know Fiers might have been their original target and when the Gomez to the Mets deal fell through Brewers enticed Astros into taking Gomez for additional pieces. Regardless of whether he's 30 or 26, Fiers was controllable, cheap, healthy and an effective if not spectacular SP and giving up a guy like that is painful, especially considering the Brewer history with starting pitching. It looks like the Brewers got very good quality bats in Santana and Philips in the deal, but I'll reserve judgment on the young arms until I see them actually getting out major league hitters.

I think you can include Davis as a player they've developed and though he's having an off year, Gennett's put up decent numbers for a 2B: .289/.321/.435, albeit in a platoon over roughly his first 1,000 career PA. The only "stars" they've developed over the past 15 years were drafted in the top 10. They last picked that high in 2005. Your argument in the first paragraph doesn't hold up. Betancourt had 5 RBI and an .875 OPS in the NLCS in 2011 and Hairston, who by that time was playing 3B and not McGehee, posted .391/.440/.565 in the NLCS. They got by just fine with that left side because they had the most potent duo in baseball in the 3 and 4 spot in the order all year. They wouldn't have had that had they traded Fielder. Starting pitching is what failed them in the postseason, in particular the two they traded the core of their system for, Marcum and Greinke. If anything it was the inability to develop/draft quality starting pitching in the decade of the 2000's that did them in and they are still feeling it.

Who? I'd like to know who wants to acquire prospects as an end-game, and not actually "win games". And yes, right now, I'd absolutely like to trade everything. Braun, Lucroy, and Segura. This team was ripe for a complete blow-up. If a Tulowitzki-like deal comes along for Braun, I absolutely hope they take it, and continue to stock up with talent. If someone overvalues Segura based on what he did 2 years ago, absolutely acquire talent for him, especially pitching. If someone needs catching, absolutely trade Lucroy. He's about to be 30, and in the decline phase for a catcher. None of that is the end goal. It's all means to the ultimate end. It's not ripe for a complete blow up when you have 3 very talented young starters heading into their prime value years as major leaguers who benefit from having a veteran proven catcher who happens to also be very affordable for two more seasons. There's opportunity in the fairly near term at the major league level. They dealt Gomez while his value was still very high, but we'll never know how much adding Fiers to that deal boosted the return. For Braun to return value in prospects, a lot of his contract has to be picked up by Brewers and that becomes dead money. The system now is pretty healthy in prospects and they will be drafting high next year and probably in 2017.. The need to "rebuild a system" is no longer pressing. It's time to fine tune it, to start using areas of depth to address thin areas of need.

Wood is making $5.7 million in 2nd year of arby to be Cubs long man. Assuming he's non tendered by the Cubs this winter, Wood is just the kind of low cost veteran worth taking a look at next spring to fill out the rotation. It's a bonus that he's a lefty which the Brewers have lacked forever. If he pitches well, he could be easily moved in July. If room is needed to accommodate Davies or another young arm before that, he can be moved to the pen. If he's awful, just release him. Another bonus is his bat, so if you have a short bench, he can do some PH.

I don't see what the Brewers would have to lose with a September call up and giving him a few starts. Anyone remember the last lefty to start a game for the Brewers? If you guessed Tom Gorzelanny, you'd be correct, back on August 28, 2013. That's 317 straight games started by a RH pitcher. That has to be some sort of record. Would much rather see Suter on 40 man over the winter than Hellweg.

If he qualified among leaders for HR per AB, Davis would be behind only Harper, and the two guys in Colorado, Gonzalez and Arenado and be ahead of the likes of Frazier and Rizzo. He'd also be behind two other non-qualifiers in Stanton and Schwarber, but that's pretty heady company nonetheless. The more he hits, the more I think the Brewers will attempt to move Braun and open up RF for Santana.

Hellweg a lock? Really? You actually think the Brewers are going to invest more in a soon to be 27 year old pitcher who's shown nothing in A ball this year in a league for actual prospects? Hellweg isn't even on the radar any more is he? Hellweg is a lock but not for the AFL. He's a lock for the list of guys who'll be off the 40 man in a couple months. Magnifico is close to a lock I imagine. Barrios too if he's eligible. Roache seems logical. My darkhorse candidate is Chris McFarland. Devin Williams wouldn't shock me either.

You are absolutely correct to point this out and IIRC, DM has even gone so far as to not only state it publicly but to ask that MLB change the rules so that teams can't bring up 40 guys. Personally, I think we should call up as many guys as possible and see if anyone can do anything interesting over the final month of the season. He's almost always added 3-5 guys though. Sardinas is almost a lock and most assuredly will give Segura some much needed rest with a few starts. Sardinas is batting .340 in August after struggling in June and July. They'll add a catcher either Centeno or Ashley who I think is a better option as he's a better bat off the bench option. Beyond that, a couple relievers and one starter option perhaps. Maybe Clark. That's about it.

That nails down why the trade idea is stupid. I'd rather have the 35 points of OPS+ at 3B from a guy who wants to be here. Sandoval's 2015 OPS+ vs. RHP is 123. He's been awful as a right handed hitter but the Brewers have Perez playing vs. LHP already. I agree he's lesser of a hitter than Braun overall, but that's not where you compare him anyway. The question is whether the presumed added production of a Sandoval/Perez platoon at 3B offset a drop off from Braun to Santana in RF? If it's basically a wash and you save approximately $25 million over 5 years it's not a bad deal. Plus you balance out a very RH dominant lineup, which makes dealing Lind more of a possibility. The fact is you aren't going to get tremendous value for Braun with his past and contract. The Brewers have a glut of RH hitting corner OF and a shortage of LH bats and corner IF. That's what prompted the idea.

I imagine they'll add Clark just to have a lefty bench power bat for PH duties, but I wouldn't bet on it. Frankly,his season in AAA has been disappointing and I don't envision him keeping his 40 man spot in the offseason. Longshots for me off Biloxi's roster are Magnifico and Barrios. Bullpen spots are always up for grabs and why not get a look at these two?