OldSchoolSnapper

The Patriots are back with the NFL's elite, another club that really cuts the "entitled fan base" trope down another peg. The New England, Philadelphia, Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, (yes, they too have sustained deep playoff runs better than we have) pattern is what we should hold as a standard, not contentedness because we are treading better than Cleveland. That's a solid handful+ of teams that have withstood transformative periods with better results than we have. It's completely fair to ask why we can't do it without being "entitled fans."

I've heard this before and it never ends up sticking. Maybe if they actually do it twice consecutively I'll change my tune. They can have fun with a 1st place schedule and winning 8 games by 2 points or whatever.

The Packers aren't going to win a playoff game. They are by far the worst team in the field right now, they are a shell of their real roster. They're in a far worse spot than even last year's Wild Card. Their game could be very, very ugly whether it's Philadelphia or Chicago. I can't see them beating either one. It's a formality and likely every opposing fan base and coach wants that matchup.

Yeah I hope I'm wrong because Willis is a great story, but this is kinda exactly how I see his future playing out. QB play is bad, he is going to cash out, but this has happened so many times in history where a guy is good as a back up and then finds that success impossible to replicate elsewhere. He's excelled at every test in GB, but like I said last night, he has not played a single good defense in any of these games, and in several of the games that laughably had people calling for Love to benched, he threw like 8 passes for 60 yards. I am rooting for the guy, though.

Gee, where would anybody get the wild idea you're disgruntled?

You love taking things completely out of context and then making totally disingenuous arguments around them. Since you're incapable of posting without ad hominem, I'll play your game. I'm not acting like you are a disgruntled fan, you are one. You're a toddler throwing a tantrum because the season didn't pan out the way you hoped. "They suck. Everyone sucks. Where's my nuk?!" You're like the first person in the history of this forum that has tried to pretend I'm some kind of Positive Pete. I posted a link to a third party that ranks him 12th in efficiency as his position. Your retort was "just stop." Lol. Again, when healthy, which he has been unable to be pretty much ever, Watson is an elite WR. The fact that he puts up the numbers he does despite basically never playing should tell you that. He skipped half a season and has a chance to lead the team in yards. More importantly though, when he doesn't play their offense becomes VASTLY worse. But you're too busy welling up in crybaby tears constantly to see anything.

Lmao. He left on the play the interception happened. Just stop, guy. Surely you are happy enough with the boatload of money you made betting on the Packers to finish exactly where they did. Do it again next year and maybe you'll 10x! You're an angry season seat holder. I get it. It's odd though, I can't find a single post of yours predicting this outcome before the season. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/christian-watson/66581 I hate PFF, but he's currently #12. His biggest problem is health and lack of volume caused by health. I don't really think there's significant talent separation between Watson and any of those guys, as it stand today. The pedigree is the difference, but Watson has been incapable of staying healthy. Most of those guys had pretty poor seasons by their standards. Watson has to play 14 games or so and do it for a full year, but I don't think swapping him out with St. Brown next year would really solve any problems for the Packers. DJ Moore? Addison? I absolutely want Watson instead. Bears fans wanted Moore cut 2 weeks ago and Addison is basically a Doubs swap out. I would take the 6'5 guy that runs like he's 5'11 every day of the week.

Finely 2009 Wild Card was one of best performances by a pass catcher in Packers history.

There were grounds to be tired of him prior to the Denver game. Too many situational losses that he had a significant hand in with a coaching decision. It would also be Year 8. Three straight 7 seeds does not necessitate Year 8. He's had his chance, with teams better than this one, and hasn't come through. This year's team also seems to have mailed it in after the Bears debacle. Purely speculative, but I believe Policy has a vision and it doesn't involve a guy hired 6 years before he took over. In no way does this guarantee better results, but I do think it's time.

Biggest things that went wrong this year outside of injuries: They've been absolutely terrible at stealing the ball - horrendous at it. The pass rush they had prior to the Parsons injury should have helped, but we dropped it when we could have had it, and teams eventually started quick-hitting us to death. That was our kryptonite. If you could beat the coverage in 2 seconds, which you can, you could score on us. The Bears sit +21 in differential. The Packers are at 0. And that is with the Packers being 5th best in giveaways. One of the silver linings of this year is that Love got much better taking care of the ball. He had one awful turnover in Cleveland, but for the most part he was wise with his prayer balls that happened to get picked off. When teams did get into the red zone, they scored TDs among the best rates in the NFL. Consistency on offense, which typically is held together by strong OL play that they did not have. In 4 of 6 losses, they Packers averaged 11.5 points. What makes those losses even worse, the margin of defeat was 3.75. You can have one game like that, maybe two, but certainly not 4 when you're offensive guru coach paying a QB what we are. That's awful. You're paying that kind of money specifically to win those games.

I did watch the Denver game. It was a 9-pt lead with possession when Watson left, relax your Parsons obsession. They had just rattled off a 40-yard run for their last score. Perhaps if they just keep running, none of these catastrophic injuries ever take place, who knows. They were going to beat Denver and were scorching them offensively until Watson and Tom were injured. Those were bigger injuries than Parsons in that specific game based on how the offense and defense were playing. I believe they still beat them without Parsons if those two never get hurt, but whatever. Don't agree at all that they don't have a WR who is any good, they have Watson, who is a top 10 WR in the league if he stops getting hurt, which he seems to have gotten under control since rehabbing soft tissue problems. His ACL was a freak thing. He is probably going to finish with around 700 yards despite starting the season in late October. Just nonsense to say the guy isn't any good. Anyone with eyes can see he's good. I can say they're a contender because they were by definition, "contending" with every one of those teams. Say what you want about "playoff teams" but the HUGE difference between last year and this year is that the Packers actually competed against playoff teams, not like last year when they'd be down by 20 at half against anybody decent. In that "2-4" straw man is the second loss against the Bears, a 10-7 loss to the Eagles and a loss in Denver they were dominating until their season unraveled. It's very easily 4-2 or 5-1. There was no explaining away their losses last year, they got embarrassed. The biggest problem with your arguments is that by your standards, nobody is really any good. Every team in the league this year has some stretch that makes them look bad. All these teams are bad somewhere. No argument that the Packers secondary is bad, it is. But it is so obviously clear as day that the season went off the rails after the injuries in Denver, and the ones prior to that just magnified. A guy who was out of the league is our leading TE now. Our two best DL are on IR. Jacobs is pretending he isn't hurt. Our best OL is hurt. We had 43 active players at a point last night. Nobody can overcome that. I get being upset because this season has absolutely come unglued and sucks. I just think "they suck! and they're doodoo heads 😭" routine is ridiculous. Half of what you say has merit, the other half just reads like a tantrum.

Maybe. There's no way to make that sack number look good, but he's 19/121 EDs in pressures this year with 51, respectable. He has also stayed near the top in run stop win rate after being #1 in it last year. Combo guys that play the run do make a lot of money. I can definitely see him getting cut. I'm less sure it's a slam dunk. I'm also not sure the Packers ever trade for Parsons if Gary was playing at the $28 million level he's going to be at next season. He's a solid, albeit overpaid player. His snap count has also kind of always been oddly low, but yes it was lower than usual. He is kinda this year's Jaire. Neither outcome will be surprising.

Very hard to feel good about where this team is headed. This season is shot, but the bigger problem is money tied up in Banks, Hobbs (my God what whiffs), potentially Jacobs...the two young stars, Kraft and Parsons, coming off ACLs. The OL has issues. The secondary is a mess. Not great assets to improve other areas of the team. It's not looking good. This was definitely a go for it type season and it looked like it might pay off until 2 weeks ago. Looks very different now.

Malik is fine and everything and maybe he's good, he was at one point evaluated as a top talent. But it's amusing watching people call for him to start here as if he's actually done much of anything. He has never really had to play against anyone good. Never been extensively scouted against. And I don't mean to knock him at all, but some of these performances people have worshipped him over, he's gone like 5/6 with 70 yards. He's done everything and more the Packers could have asked from him, but in no way do I believe he's better than Jordan Love.

Yes and the 60 minute game was headed for disaster for Denver until 3 of the Packers top 10 players were hurt in 5 minutes. Sold their future? What future did they sell? Another Jordan Morgan? Van Ness? A WR they won't play and will be lucky to finish with 400 yards? I think any GM on the planet makes that trade for Parsons. You're upset and spleen venting. I get that - but I don't get your thesis. The Packers literally were a contender 2 weeks ago. They were literally sitting at the 2 seed, with a 9 point lead and the ball in the second half against the AFC 2 seed. I don't know how else you define contender.

Hey, at least next year we won't have this problem

Oh please dude. The Eagles scored 10 points. Hurts threw for 180 yards. "Split against Flacco" in another game when their offense scored 10 points and had a FG blocked. You can't be serious. The Bears had two field goals for 58 minutes. They were on their way to beating the brakes off Denver until the season unraveled in a 5 minute span. It's hard to play elite QBs when there are like 3 of them, you must not have been paying enough attention to notice it's kind of been a storyline in the NFL this season. I get it. You're upset how the season unfolded. It's expected to feel like that.

There were coaching warts well before Parsons got hurt, which was the final blow even though there certainly were crushing injuries prior to that. They probably should have been at least two games clear of Chicago before playing the second game. Cleveland never should have happened. Chicago never should have happened. The offensive guru came through with 7 points in a home game against Philadelphia. The conservative stalling in Dallas that forced settling for a tie that they almost didn't even get. Carolina was another debacle but I won't pin it on him, just an OK team that obliterated us up front when it counted like many teams have. The dumb challenges that seem like emotional decisions. Consistently stupid use of timeouts. Not doing anything about his ST unit because his friend is the coach. It's not like his 2nd year either. I would have liked to see how this season goes with Wyatt and Parsons, sure. Maybe it saves him. But it didn't happen and I don't think we need another year of the other stuff.

This game should put to bed any talk of the Packers going on a run and comps to 2010. The injuries aren't the same. There was a quantity of injuries that year but they were not on par with the significance of these. This is a dead team walking and unfortunately they will be put out of their misery by the Bears. A cruel fate for a season that looked promising just two weeks ago. I do hope it's the end for LaFleur. The schtick has run dry. Please don't make the mistake of running it back because of injuries. This guy isn't the answer.

Golden must have awful practice habits or something. I don't know. But he either absolutely sucks or did something to upset LaFleur. He may as well have been sent to the minors this year.

Scoring defense means points. Yeah, who cares about that! They were 5th in yards per rush. 6th in total yards. The defense was good. It's not really debatable. I could engage this "who did they play" thing but I know the difference between someone trying to make a point and someone just spleen venting disingenuously.

The corners suck and everyone knows they suck, they have a nickel CB punt returner masquerading as a CB1. The entire defense was predicated on pass rush. That's a huge problem when Wyatt and Parsons are done. Doesn't help on top of that when your safeties don't catch the ball.

The Packers did well signing Watson. They should extend him again because he is by far the best WR they have and it's not even close. I always thought he looked every bit of a star and just couldn't put it together but he's there. Willis also looks very, very good. Good enough to give you crazy ideas regarding the future that couldn't possibly ever come to fruition.

I'm as big a fan of Jacobs as anyone. I really like him and his heart, but he should be released this summer.

One thing I will say about this edition of the Packers is that they NEVER had two facets playing well at the same time. There were weeks the defense looked incredible and the offense would show flashes but they were almost never happening simultaneously. The only times I remember it happening were the 2nd half in Pittsburgh and tragically the Denver game until the moment Watson got hurt. As for their defense being mediocre and competition stiffening, 🙄. They were 5th in opponent yards per rush. 8th in scoring defense. 6th in opponent yards per game. They were bad in two things all year though: Opponents red zone touchdown % and turnovers. They were 25th and 26th there. Not good. But saying the unit was mediocre at best is just hyperbole and objectively not true. Anybody can cherry pick 2 or 3 of 15 games and write the story they want, but the facts just don't support it. A maddening season, honestly. It'll be forgotten by time, but more than any other it was just decimated by too many significant injuries. I can't remember a season turning as quickly as this one did in Denver. Just too bad.