OldSchoolSnapper

#56 would be the top 8% of 25-man rosters. That sounds about right to me. Honestly, Yelich strikes me more. Reigning 27 y/o MVP who probably hasn't plateaued. I doubt he'd be #7 in BOS/NY/LA.

He looked so drained to me last season. Like a noticeably diminished player. I don't doubt he'll get plucked out of the bargain bin soon, but if I were a GM I just wouldn't bother. He has a chance to be decent somewhere but I would rather go with a 23 year old than clog a roster with Randall Cobb. 2/14 or something sounds like what he'll get, with low guaranteed $$ and an out for the team to release him if he proves to be washed up.

Yeah, I don't know when he'll be out of football and I'm not going to predict that, but looking at the two other slot WR'ers who signed for 8-10 million and while they're a couple years younger, they haven't been as productive as Cobb. I'm fine if you believe they have more value than Cobb, but Cobb definitely has more value than a vets minimum. I think he'll get 6-8 million per year. Are you referring to Humphries and Crowder? If not, NVM, but Cobb really hasn't been more productive. He was for a season in 2014, but that's prehistoric. He's had trouble staying healthy and has been topping out about where those guys are now. It's just Ascension vs. descension. I'd take both of those guys over Cobb at this point 10/10 times. His catch % dipped sharply last year which is usually a good sign a WR is falling off. Not withstanding Crowder getting hurt last year, both have gotten better every year thus far. He's never been the athlete Crowder is either. But someone will pay Cobb. I think he'll go the same route as Jennings. He'll wind up somewhere and probably be moderately productive for a little bit and then fade away. I thought he was a great player four years ago and one of the best at helping Rodgers through busted plays, but he has a ton of red flags signaling he's out of juice.

What I actually meant was why not trade him last year before paying $21mm. Pretty much everybody was low on the Giants last year. You can't just let him walk away, but it's a head scratcher why they didn't trade him last season.

It's bizarre NYG extended him. Why? They paid $21mm for a season, eat $16mm dead money. Good on them getting a nice return back, but that made no sense. It wasn't like people thought they were on the verge of big things.

Not really surprised at the haul given they extended him last year. CLE will have him as long as they want him.

Those are kinda apples to oranges. Cobb is an old 28 with a lot of miles and bruises. It's hard to believe he's 28. Crowder is an ascending 25 and was on a lot of radars to have a breakout season in 2018 and got hurt. Humphries is another ascending player. Those guys are going to be cogs where they're going, or at least planned-to-be cogs. Both of them commanded higher prices for their potential. I think Cobb is out of gas and will be out of football by 2021.

From the descriptions, people have of Amos (here and elsewhere), I don't think its all that off base. Burnett was a non-flashy, dependable, always-in-position type player until he was about 25. Then it seems he fell off a cliff and the MB we had the last 3 years (and Pitt last year) wasn't the same player. So hopefully Amos doesn't follow MB's path... That's what I saw as well. But according to NFL personnel expert OldSchoolSnapper, it was WAY off. Because rather than focusing on the Amos signing, all we got was a diatribe on how Burnett was trash, and only blind Packer fans thought otherwise. This straw man is the post that sent this off the rails. JMB has a penchant for dictating the way other people should post. I am not the first person to mention this. I'd completely let the topic get away from MB, he makes three more replies without me responding, then needlessly calls me out. There was literally nothing about the topic that wasn't civil until this.

Dude, I just told you there was ANOTHER article in the cosmos with quotes. JFC.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/10/30/silverstein-packers-put-house-order-pair-necessary-deals/1821324002/ HHCD was upset with Packers brass. I thought everyone already knew, but here is your link. There is another out there with direct quotes from other sources. You can find it with some Google. I'm done talking about it at mod request. You're hell bent on getting a reaction.

I'm not pulling HHCD having a bad attitude out of thin air. I don't know you're under that impression, but it was pretty clear that he had soured in the locker room by the time he was traded. I'm not digging up the articles for you, you can do it on your own. Is there a reason you keep spamming the same link? Your last one is a 404 btw. I don't see what the point is? It grades him out as an average player to slightly above player, which is right about what I've been saying...he's a guy. You're making addition by subtraction into a really big deal for some reason. The guy had no future in GB and we salvaged a 4th out of him. He was walking. It's not that complicated. You've taken the way I used it out of context and run with it. You know what I meant and was talking long-term. OK? Let it go. I'm off this topic now. It has nothing to with FA. I didn't like either guy moving forward and was far from alone thinking that. I riled up the MB defense force, but I'm not going to budge off calling him a mediocre player. You've cherry picked a single stat the way AJ Hawk lovers would rattle off his tackles. Neither was a ever a difference maker, they were role players.

I'm saying that we got something, anything, for a guy who was leaving anyway and our season was not going anywhere (to me, I know were 3-3 or something at the time but I never bought in to them last year). Wouldn't have mattered to me if we traded Ronnie Lott at the time, we stunk and he was leaving. Of course HHCD was the best S on the team. It was him and a bunch of stiffs. I give credence to those leaks because they were not GB-only leaks, they were coming from sources outside the team too. And well, I watch the games. He changed from early on from a hungry player to an arrogant one. As far as why I don't buy into positive praise from coaches, I didn't say that I don't, but when are you going to hear a coach say "he's average" about a current player? You won't. Burnett's deal with GB is a terrible comparison. They extended a whole bunch of guys needlessly under Thompson to contracts they didn't deserve. He loved overpaying for his great discoveries. We can never know for sure, but I'll never believe he'd have gotten the same attention in FA that Amos did. I don't care about you getting angry over some semantics. On the day we traded HHCD we improved the state of the organization given the context. And I was happy when we made no offer to Burnett because I never liked him. They were both great moves to me. HHCD was at least a blue chip talent though, Burnett was mediocre.

Burnett at his best was AJ Hawk at his best and that's the nicest thing I can say. They could hack it on the field as parts of a good defense as long as there were stars towing most of the load. When they were cornerstones of the defense, which Burnett was later in his time with the Packers, you have problems.

First of all, I haven't been on any kind of kick about HHCD, so stop making crap up, thanks. We got better because we weren't retaining HaHa, we stunk, and we got a 4th for an outgoing malcontent. There is nothing to gain by keeping him on the roster in a season going nowhere fast. We got a 4th for dead weight. That's addition by subtraction to me, when looking at the big picture. The best safety on that team is pretty empty praise. HHCD was a really good player. In 2014. The article is the JS following his trade that went into how his preparation fell off a cliff, how he felt he'd already earned a huge pay day etc., that was not a guy I wanted on the team. I've never once said he's a bad football player. Again, don't make crap up. I said he went rogue and started playing hero ball at the expense of what he was supposed to be doing schematically. He thought he was better than he was. As far as Burnett goes, nah, the guy was mediocre. We see this with local favorites on every team constantly. I would only have to go back to last summer, when I couldn't really get anybody to tell me anyone in the Packers lineup who wasn't good. If you ask fans, the worst you're going to hear about almost any player is "he's solid, dependable." Burnett was a guy you could replace with 4-5 guys every year in FA. Proof? Well, the fact that this "very solid player" departed in FA and got $4mm in guarantees would say I'm pretty spot-on there. He did the same level of just about nothing in Pitt that he did in GB and is now asking to be cut. He's a run of the mill guy. Nothing special about him at all. And yes, he was a part of the problem, as it was a defense filled with mediocre talent. You don't sign three mega FAs on Day 2 if that isn't the case.

Dude, chill out. Diatribe, really? It was a civil discussion about a player that we don't agree on. No need to get all uppity about it. You don't have to be a personnel expert to see that one of them commanded top dollar and a ton of FA interest and the other signed a mediocre deal with his lone pursuer. Burnett was older when he signed, but 29 is hardly geezer years at safety and nobody really wanted the guy. Not even the Packers. I don't see the need to insult me.

The thing is, Williams really wasn't bad. Most of his price is just the cost of a veteran, but when asked to do a little bit less he's probably an asset to the team, especially as a mentor and depth that can play anywhere if need arises.

I don't recall any team besides Pitt wanting Burnett, and that the Packers let him walk for 3/14 should tell you everything. Some players get inflated locally by coachspeak getting into the news a lot. A position coach will say a guy is "terrific" or the "ultimate pro" every week for a few years and locally that becomes "this guy is a terrific player and we need him." Burnett was addition by subtraction IMO. So was HaHa, who at least used to be good and then went rogue playing hero ball. One of the highlights of last year is getting a 4th for that dead weight. Burnett's claim to fame was being the "quarterback of the defense" on a unit that was among the league's worst. He was part of the problem.

I'm very familiar with Amos and know what he is. He was a PFF all pro in 2017-018. You're either drastically underrating him or overrating Burnett. There was a lot of interest from several teams for him. Burnett is a guy. He always was. Only among GB fans was he a revered player.

More fundamentally sound. Getting pressure from the edge, and from really all over when it comes to Za'Darius, is going to make the LB corps and secondary look all that much better. Amos isn't going to be a super flashy player, but he's also very fundamentally sound and smart. He is very close to what an "in his prime" Morgan Burnett provided. I haven't seen anyone really bringing this up, but these two are also behemoths. Za'Darius is 6'4 and 275. Preston is 6'6. I'd also rate Amos as a better player than Morgan Burnett, whom I consider to be one of the most overrated Packers of the last decade. He had the reverence of fans for some reason but he was a 100% marginal player who essentially never made a play.

I think it had more to do with the fact that his star QB turns 36 next year and no draft pick is going to elevate the pass rush to where it needs to be. You may get a contributor to supplement the defense, but it couldn't be more obvious that they needed good veteran players. Nothing would surprise me in the draft. They could go out and draft two more edge rushers in the first.

I'd be fine with Cobb if you could depend on him staying on the field, but you can't.

I don't think they need much of anything at WR. The guys they drafted are really good. It takes a bit of time for that to materialize but they're good. Adams is a stud, I still think G-Mo is a really good player, but now it's a question of his health. Last year I saw him as a 1,000 yard guy and he was on his way there before he got hurt. I still really like him but I think this is his last chance. A vet WR wouldn't bother me but I don't think they need a big name there by any means. I'd be happy with an average veteran that knows how to play every week.

Anthony Barr was a confirmed Jets signing, but is now sticking with Minnesota.

I believe the only way McCarthy was coming back was if they won the NFC. It did not make a lot of sense to sign four guys like this and then fire the HC. Thus, you got guys like Williams and Wilkerson; it was 90% rebuild and 10% hey, maybe.

I don't think last year was a mistake. It was a bunch of low-risk, high-reward vets, because I don't think they wanted to do anything major until a bunch of ugly money went off the books. I think they knew they were going to be bad last year, but with Rodgers there is always a chance. They went after Mack because he's a generational player they would have controlled for years, but I think there was a definite strategy in the guys they went after last year vs. this year. I'm also not totally finished on Jimmy Graham. The entire offense was dreadful last season, so I'm hesitant to think we got the best he has to offer.