OldSchoolSnapper

Good test for Packers this week. Road game on short rest against a middling team. They need to start winning on the road. Looked better yesterday but until they can do that 3-4 times in a row they're just another mediocre squad.

I got mine Tuesday. But the strip refund still hasn't come.

A game is not a piece of machinery, you can't just pick apart certain parts and decide how it would have gone. Anybody watching that game could tell the wheels fell off right after that fumble. If they go up 24-17 the complexion of the game is totally different. They aren't playing the entire 4th quarter from behind.

I doubt MM has given up or is punching the clock. They have been left for dead numerous times during his tenure, and he is more immune to the ups and downs as someone who has lived them over and over. They have looked worse than this. 4-6 in 2016 and getting walloped numerous times before turning it on. "Run the table" was mocked before it started to happen. I think that an unlikely outcome, but something like that is still within possibility. The rest of the schedule contains many winnable games, if they find a groove and start figuring out how to finish drives and games.

Thanks. So I can probably expect it this week.

Why would the league be out for the Packers, specifically? This is tin foil hat stuff, man. The only difference between this year and many others is that the Packers aren't good enough to overcome mundane bad calls. A pass interference or roughing the passer is forgotten when the Packers win 37-20. When the team is bad and has no margin for error these little things stay in your head. You can visit any message board of any marginal team and you will usually find a solid group of people convinced they "get no calls" and "would be a playoff team if not for a single play in Weeks 2, 6 and 9." Roughing the punter is miscalled pretty often. They coach those guys to crumble on contact for that reason. The Packers also drew an illegal contact penalty against SF which you left off your list. It was 3rd and 15 and in essence gave them the game. I'm not saying it was a bad call, but was the anti-Packer crusade on break that week or what?

The Packers were doomed when Aaron Jones coughed up the rock in the middle of a great drive that looked poised to give them a 24-17 lead. That is without a doubt the single play that most shifted their chances last night.

The refs being wrong is a far cry from the refs have it out for the Packers, or the famed "Vegas needed it." The roughing call was blown, but ultimately moot as the Packers forced a 3 and out on the following plays.Yes it changed field position, but was your typical blown call that happens every week in every game.

The refs have been out to get the Packers? Do people actually, genuinely believe this sort of thing? They aren't very good, and a lot of people thought they were .500 or slightly below team. The Packers have had comedic errors this season in nearly every loss. They could have beaten Minnesota, LAR, and had a chance last night and took themselves out of these game with self-inflicted mistakes. Refs don't take kickoffs out of the end zone or fumble on game-changing drives. Why would the same officials conspiring review a play and take a NE touchdown off the board? If you think the refs or Vegas had Whitehead ejected it may be time to take a few weeks off. Why are you watching if you think the game is fixed? That seems counter-intuitive. I don't get the complaining about the ejection. It is all moot if he simply does not smack the dude in the head. That some other official doesn't make the call doesn't mean he can't be reasonably ejected for it. Most of those things go unseen by the officials, and even when those little spats happen, I'll say again, the contact is rarely as solid and flagrant as it was. I'm never going to defend any player getting tossed for slapping somebody in the face. It was stupid and they tossed the idiot. Good.

Vegas needed to cover so eject Jermaine Whitehead after he slaps someone in the head. That plan would have very easily been foiled by him not slapping someone in the head.

A first rounder is a first rounder. It can easily be Jordy Nelson (actually a 2nd I think) or Justin Harrell. I think people worry about the order a bit too much. That is a slot for an immediate contributor no matter who it is, if you hit on the pick, which is the real obstacle. AJ Hawk was our highest pick of the last god knows how many years and he was not all that great.

This flies in the face of national media reports, but I believe Giannis will sign his next big deal with the Bucks. When that comes due the Warriors will likely be starting to fall apart. Some competitive balance will be restored and the Bucks will have a few playoff runs under their belt. Athletes blow smoke all the time but I just have a gut feeling he is not going to bolt for the Knicks or something.

McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the league. McCarthy is one of the best coaches in Packers history. But..as Walsh said...you have a lifespan of 10 years in the NFL. After that, your message gets stale. Look at Andy Reid. He was run outta Philly after 5 trips to the NFCG...and now his offense looks brand new after a few years in KC. I think MM will be similar. I just hope we can hit on the FIRST coach we hire after MM and not waste 2-3 more years in the meantime. One of the best in the league because he piggybacked off Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and ran up his career wins total? We've thrown away another year of Aaron Rodgers doing this stupidity. The guy is unimaginative, won't play his best players, and is flat garbage. Belichick won with Matt Cassel. Tomlin won with Landry freaking Jones. Zimmer won with Case Keenum and whoever else on the QB carousel over there. Pete Carroll as much as I hate him is a better coach. Sean McVay is running circles around McCarthy and pretty much the rest of the league. Sean Payton is a good coach. Nagy is pulling a miracle with Trubisky. Mike McCarthy has aborted seasons with Brett Hundley among others. Give me a break on the best coaches in the league stuff, he's barely top 10. Elite coaches don't plant players like Aaron Jones on the bench while continuing to force guys like Randall Cobb in there who is washed up aside from a couple fluke bombs the past few years implanted in our memories. Only the idiots like the Dolphins, Browns, Bengals, etc coaches do. I agree on the whole, but I don't think any coach would have saved 2018. The roster is a mess, and a bunch of bad TT decisions finally caught up with them. When Rodgers (justifiably) controls such a large portion of cap space, you simply cannot afford to have massive amounts tied to guys like Cobb, Matthews and Perry. When you sign Rodgers, the rest of the team becomes similar to the Brewers in a way. He can mask a lot of flaws, but you need to do a really good job with what's left over, and they just haven't. I think they are primed for a very good 2019. A lot of money coming off the books, a very strong '18 draft class, and a bunch of picks in '19. This year was a soft rebuild. BG brought in some low-risk guys that might get us over the hump if Rodgers pulls off another miracle but it's not working. They are playing teams like LAR and NE very tough. They're close, but lack some experience and a couple impact guys. But I also reject MM as an elite coach. I defended him for a while, but soured on him in 2015. It's time to go and I'm confident he's fired New Year's Eve.

I will never believe McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the league.

This is the first season in a while that the majority of the disappointment rests with the offense IMO. They have not closed games, have disappeared for 50-75% of some games, and just have not had a rhythm. The final and stats of this game will betray the defense. They kept us in this one, offense did not help at all. And also why McCarthy will be fired. It's his masterful offense that's been awful.

Rodgers has 1 INT this year and the Packers are -1 in TO differential. Pretty incredible.

Packers truly just can't get out of their own way this year.

MVS is a special player. They got a gem in him.

The way the defense is holding up right now is nothing short of incredible.

Terrible call. That's not roughing.

If that's not intentional grounding, they need to change intentional grounding. I get that it may not be by the book, but that's ridiculous. Brady chucked that at the dirt when the rush came. Hope Blake is OK.

That's pretty embarrassing from Cobb. A WR in a one-on-one with a safety and can't get an inch of separation.

My lord, you gotta pick that off. What was Brady doing?

Packers had that play sniffed out to perfection.

Breeland, not Brice.