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It's a play to get people who otherwise wouldn't go to a game. Then hope they have fun and come back. I am also willing to bet the Brewers have seen diminishing returns on giveaway promos as the suppliers have gotten more expensive and there are still empty seats on those days. They used to be automatic sellouts or very close.
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If we're going with 32 year old WRs that are clearly sliding downward, I would rather just let our young guys play. Those are valuable snaps they are missing with more Randall Cobbs in the lineup. Once we're out on Godwin, Metcalf, Adams...it's not worth any of these other guys. Their biggest problem is catching the ball, no "mentor" is going to achieve that. I am unimpressed by what the Packers have done. I am trying not to be a sourpuss about it, but it is feeling like we're running it back and hoping for different results. The draft hasn't happened yet, but I don't think this team was a rookie away from a championship. Gute's speech about it being time to compete for titles got me excited and their moves thus far have been a wet blanket for me. I am just slowly joining the ranks of fans wanting this team to take a big swing. It's been 15 years since we were in the Super Bowl. I don't think they're going to suck or anything, and it's likely they DO get better as these guys develop, I just think they really needed a veteran addition to the front 7. There is no Reggie White, no Charles Woodson, no Clay Matthews on this team IMO.
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I'm an absolutely not on Kupp. The guy is cooked.
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Rasheed Walker only fell to the 7th round because of doubts about his knee coming out of school otherwise he was a 2nd or 3rd round projection. He is a monster and there are reels of him last year just chucking dudes with one hand. The Packers already started moving Morgan to guard last season. I don't think you take a guy who has performed really well at RT and start getting cute with him. Maybe it's true they can't pay all of them, but I feel pretty confident that Walker is the tackle and it's Rhyan/Morgan to fight for the guard spot.
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My point is that how significant can it be when Love was barely sacked and they ran for 2,500 yards? They fortified a position of strength, that at worst, struggled a bit when hit by injuries. But all they really achieved was a mild upgrade on swapping players. It doesn't address need. I don't think OL was really holding the Packers back last season on a large scale. Jayden Reed disappeared for half the season, Doubs, to be harsh, I'd rather ship off somewhere because I think he's got mental issues, and Watson who would be great if he could stay on the field. They are banking on a major leap from one or more of those guys. One is going to miss most of the season. We have a draft. I am just not really excited about our WR upgrade being the 51st pick in the draft.
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I think they "overvalue" relative to the market players with specific skillsets that they think fit what they do. Just in the little Googling I've done with Hobbs he seems to play very aggressively at the line and is a strong tackler. I think they see a use for him in which he'll flourish. Hafley has been pretty good at getting a lot out of players that others have looked past. Banks is weirder to me but I trust them. Guard is generally seen as a secondary position and he doesn't really grade out exceptionally well but I don't trust those grades too much. I am guessing it had more to do with getting 5 guys playing at their strongest position on the line. Like I've said I don't have big issues with the moves. I was just hoping for one of the A listers. Oh well.
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Free agency is always an "overpay" because the market resets every year. That label is pretty much a joke to me because there is no comparison with prior years. It's apples to oranges. An overpay can't exist. The market is what the market is. I don't have a problem with the players or the financials. But I would push back that no, a left guard is not a needle mover, you were already one of the best rushing teams in football. He's fine, he's good, whatever, but it's not making the Packers incrementally better from last season. I'm sure the Packers will be ok, and be a winning team. I am just pretty meh on entering the season with Houdini Reed, Wicks, head case Doubs and Watson out 3/4 of the year. If they couldn't improve there, I was hoping for defense, but it looks like we are relying on the draft to get us over the hump, which sucks when you're picking late and haven't been good at it. I'm not remotely surprised, but I was really hoping for a big splash in the veteran pool. This is paradise compared to Ted Thompson, but I think this team really needs a superstar. They must think he's already on the roster.
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Are they? Because the two biggest needs are a pass rusher, a distant #1 need IMO, and probably a receiver. They needed an offensive lineman after today so I have zero issues with that or depth at CB. But those aren't needle movers. I have a feeling that Gute thinks the WR room is fine. I'm sure we'll draft somebody in the 4th round. I hope that come August I'm not left praying that Van Ness turns into something.
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These guys are fine. I don't mind either one. But if I'm being honest I really felt like the Packers are missing a top tier player on both sides of the ball. I was really hoping they'd be in on one of Crosby, Garrett, Metcalf, Bosa, Baun, Hendrickson. I'm aware some of those guys re-signed and were never going to happen but that was the dream. It doesn't look like we are really getting a transcendent piece in FA like we did last year with Jacobs and McKinney. I hate going into the season expecting the draft to provide that. It just doesn't work. Moves can still be made from March 10 and forward but I see our division coming back even better.
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I would assume it's Jenkins to C. There will be a competition with Rhyan/Walker and Morgan, and at least one guy is going to get hurt so hopefully they have 6 good OL. Who knows what Morgan is. Packers like their swing OL. I personally think Walker is going to be a mainstay and the competition is at guard.
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It's a lock for SNF.
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Just dropping here that Pittsburgh IS on the Packers schedule...that would be awesome.
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Adams doesn't solve the Watson problem though even if he has some gas left. He is great at just getting open, but he is more of a possession WR especially at this stage of his career. He's not someone to blow you away over the top like Watson is. The Packers have a slew of those guys already, granted none even close to Adams but I am sure the hope is they take some leaps forward. Watson was unfortunately the only WR of his kind on the roster. I am pretty bummed. I liked Metcalf a lot. I have never liked expecting rookie WRs to be stars right away although it happens more now than it used to. I think this offense needs help and they are going to try to do it through the draft which is annoying for a team that feels close. I hope we at least do something in FA on the defensive side to be excited about.
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Adams has statistically declined every year since his first year in Vegas, though admittedly there are a lot of factors at play there. He turns 33 next year. It isn't a guarantee to happen, but he is at the age where players fall off a cliff overnight. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's productive next season, but I am just not interested in 33-year-old skill players as costly FA. LAR makes sense because they already have Puka. We'd be signing Adams to be close to the same guy he was in GB. I would rather explore a non-Packer retread path. Would Packers fans really be that into Adams if he were not an ex-Packer? Godwin has been kind of my pick all year. He's the next level down, won't cost as much, and younger. I don't think the Packers are going to add a WR outside the draft though, which is a bit disappointng.
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I'm personally glad Davante is off the board. Pretty much ideal for him getting to be in LA.
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This is exactly what I see happening. They post up for a 1st and 3rd, know it's ridiculous, the higher bidder offers a 2nd, but gets a pick(s) back in return as well. #54 and #87 still stings a bit IMO. Those are 2 potentially high-impact players in this class on rookie deals for one dude with an AAV at $30mm. I think it's more likely #54 and a pick swap in the 5th or something. I just can't see GB in particular giving up that kind of value.
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I think this thread has veered too hard the other way where people are really understating how good Metcalf is. Seattle hasn't been a truly good team for quite a while and the last time they were he had a great season. Even at his best, Russell Wilson has never really made WRs into stars. Geno Smith is a nice comeback story but they have been a mediocre team for some time now. The dude is 6'4, 235 and ran a 40 in 4.3 territory. He is an absolute freak of nature and he loves to block which has been a necessity under MLF. I am OK if people think it's dumb to trade a 1st for a guy you have to pay $30 million/yr immediately, and I'd agree. But I would 100% trade a 3rd and one of our mediocre WRs for him and not even blink. IMO this whole "wow the Packers have WR depth!" thing has gone overboard. We have 3 or 4 guys who don't scare anybody but are quality role players, and it has led to a misconception among some that our WRs are really good. They're not. A player like Metcalf would be huge not just because he is good, but it allows all those guys to stop carrying a burden they aren't good enough to carry. I don't think the Packers get him though. I am sure they have inquired and stated what they're willing to part with, my guess is a 3rd or 4th, and that's that. They won't get into a bidding war.
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They know that isn't happening. Put something insane out there and see which team comes the closest. It at least make it seem like you aren't desperate to get rid of him and won't just give him away. I bet they end up getting a 2nd if they're stubborn enough. I am sure they want this done before the draft.
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I will say it: I am worried about the Bears. That team has good pieces in place and their offensive line was really the biggest area of need, and they have drastically improved before even getting to the draft. They are headed in the right direction and appear to have smart people finally running the show. Williams was good behind a bad OL. This is going to be a very good division.
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I am hoping the Bucks turn into the teams that have knocked them off early in the playoffs previously. I think they can get out of the first round, but I am not totally sold on the Cavs and I would welcome that 2nd round matchup. I don't think there's any way they beat Boston, but I don't think Cleveland will beat Boston either. Holding out hope we are hitting another gear in the playoffs and not overly concerned about regular season games.
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Not a chance Metcalf garners a first going public like that. 3rd or 4th is my prediction.
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He made a bunch of appearances on podcasts and shows heaping praise on what a great organization GB is and how great Love looks, what a composed awesome guy he is etc., I believe he started doing that last year. And I think he kept saying something like "you never know what could happen." He has basically said "I want to go back to GB" without saying it. Don't know if it's going to happen, don't know if Gute wants him, but I think it's probably the #1 place he wants to be. It makes a lot of sense. If you were him, why not end your career in a place you know, you're comfortable, they are close to the top, and you always liked?
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He seemed pretty darn interested in coming back when you read between the lines on his latest comments. I am pretty meh on it. I much rather we bring in somebody younger.
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Exactly. And just some mediocre teams in general with "eh" QB play.
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That 1994 Finals with HOU and NYK was one of my all-time favorites. It really got me into the NBA. Seeing the Bulls took the Knicks to 7 games without Jordan, I'd say it's more than a maybe. Probably more likely the Rockets never win a championship if he doesn't play baseball.
