OldSchoolSnapper

They were hurt though. The same thing would happen next year if two of the OL got hurt. That stuff is always going to happen. I'm not even saying they didn't mildly upgrade the OL. I just don't think anyone was thinking after Gute's little pep talk, omg yes, I hpoe he gets Nate Hobbs!

Yeah, no they didn't. For one, the "youngest team in the league" is the youngest team by like tenths of years. #1 and #32 are separated by like 2 years. A bunch of teams have their "average age" being beefed up by old kickers and/or backup QBs. If you were to swap out two 22 year olds with 30 year olds, the Packers average age goes up by nearly .4 years. A middling WR who could catch a ball would have been beneficial for them last year, as would pretty much any mediocre vet at any of the spots in which they are very raw. It's probably the single dumbest stat that keeps getting parroted in regard to the Packers. It's gotten to the point where people say it like it's something the Packers are mandated to do. It's just as much one of the self-inflicted problems so many people have with their roster. I don't think any rational person is saying that Gute is some terrible GM. But to me he is essentially front office MLF. He's good, but has done some very stupid things that deserve criticism. He could have at least not given his little speech only to walk it back two months later.

Lastly, the day people stop referring to the Packers as the youngest team in the league as some excuse, I will throw a kegger. They don't HAVE to be the youngest team in the league!!!

I'm not sure what point this is making. Let me spell it out: Rebuilding isn't what Packers fans pretend it is. It doesn't take 10 years anymore and you don't need a HOF QB to do it. They did it twice, nearly 3 times (3 appearances) with different HCs and QBs, a backup QB in a playoff run. They did it half the amount of time the Packers have failed to even play in the game. And they did so taking considerable risks. All the lame excuses about how fans aren't grateful and if they were Browns fans they'd be miserable - whoopity doo. It's not some great point. None of those teams had what the Packers had. I really fail to see the Packers last 20 years as some badge of honor. It's just a massive disappointment for what they had under their roof. BTW, your entire post is disingenuous. Declaring the season 'over' because your $220 million QB suffers a knee injury is not exactly Mr. Negative. Pretty sure about 90% of the fanbase was despondent when that happened. Don't act like it was about the Packers sucking, I made that comment because Love was hurt. If you're going to do that, go through all the GTs where I wasted breath talking to doomers about how the Packers were looking OK. Don't cherry pick one thread where Love is crying on the ground as some kind of evidence of 'negativity.' You knew exactly what you were doing with that 0-1 nonsense, so just shove it. Pretty much every GT I was taking an optimistic tone, argued all year they weren't that far off Minn/Det, and I was one of like a handful of people who thought the Packers were capable of a run. This nonsense that I'm some chronically negative poster is quite frankly pure ********.

And? They lost in the Wild Card. They didn't elevate at all last year. They were 1-5 in their own division, in which not a single team won a playoff game. They were not a Super Bowl contender last season. They were arguably a worse team this January than they were last January. I think it's time people re-evaluate what a playoff team really is when 44% of the league makes the playoffs. The NFL skirts close and closer to the NBA in that aspect every 5 years. They were bar none the worst team in the NFC playoffs by the time it started. These lame-ass comparisons to the 70s and 80s are so dumb and played out. Go tell me who played QB in Green Bay from 1970-1990 and make an honest attempt at comparing it to present day. As far as signing Jacobs, yes, great player, but he replaced Aaron Jones who has been one of the most productive players in the team's history. I am not at all saying it wasn't a great move (they had to do it because Jones wasn't reliable and aging), but when you replace somebody who's already really good you're merely doing maintenance. They did the exact same thing this year on the OL and at CB. Those guys will probably be just fine, but they aren't moving the needle at all and they replaced outgoing FA who were either the same or slightly worse. Peddling those two guys off as 'big moves' is an absolute joke. "I am still curious, what was the move they should have made but it doesn't really feel like there is one beyond what wasn't available. Or Hendrickson? Surely ONE move couldn't completely change your entire attitude of the direction and mentality of this franchise, right? If they were to end up with TJ Watt...that'd just be another move, but...still...complacent?" Wut? Lol. They didn't do ANYTHING remotely close to this. And yes, this is exactly the kind of move I think a LOT of fans were expecting this offseason, especially after Gute's diatribe at the end of the season. SOMETHING, but we got a middling OL, a nickel corner and practice squad WR. "One" move can make a big difference, especially when you're close to contention. The line between very good and good is pretty damn thin in the NFL. There are a lot of losing teams that lose a handful of games by a score or so. Honestly, can't say I am surprised though. The whole M.O. of this website is that average is fantastic and everyone should be smiling at all times with teams that make the playoffs. It's totally cool that the Packers have 4 MVP awards in the previous 14 seasons and not a single damn appearance in a Super Bowl. Just finished an entire season where they clearly showed they did not have the talent to compete with the upper echelon, and we're supposed to be excited because they are adding a handful of rooks in a couple weeks? Oh, ok. At least the Brewers have the excuse of competing in a laughably unfair league. The rest of MLB should be embarrassed they manage to win 90 games. How the Packers seem to completely evade criticism from some people truly astonishes me - and for the record - yes - I would say that the majority of Packers fans are frustrated with this offseason and most of the last 15 years. You can be a consistently 'good' team that underachieves. They're not mutually exclusive.

Pathetic.

DVT is similar to nerve issues in that it's going to vary drastically from person to person as to how long somebody is on the shelf.

There is definitely hyperbole happening here, but it is inexcusable that a small market let this happen. It's honestly bizarre. I can't wrap my head around it.

Pretty much. Winning a series. They have Giannis, and it's not like they don't compete with some of the best teams, so I think even beating Cleveland is within the realm of possibilities, but I'd put it at like 5%.

Meh. I think that's a huge stretch. Giannis has definitely played armchair GM like every other NBA megastar, but I really don't see any of his requests preventing them from winning a title. His hand-picked coach was a disaster but I really, really don't think that was a championship team regardless. I guess sticking to his boys longer than they should have, but I am just not seeing how Giannis really prevented another title. Injuries did more than anything. And yeah, I would say the core was too old to win multiple titles, but it was necessary to win the one they did, it was the right group of guys, and it's not like they didn't have 3 or 4 legitimate title shots. Giannis has been more than any fan could have dreamed of; I don't even like to say "blame" because I don't think there is much of anything to blame the Bucks for. They won a title, and have pretty much followed the same bell curve that most NBA champs do; you ascend, win a title or two, and then end up in the 45-win club for a couple years while your core erodes. Rarely do you get back to the mountain top. You can look at Denver and Jokic and already it seems unlikely they win again.

Bizarre post as I have not posted here in 3 weeks, and you should probably go back and read the IGT and season threads because I'm definitely more on the optimistic side around here. I did not say I was going to root for the Vikings, but I do wish Rodgers would have gone to Minnesota, yes, because I think that would have been incredibly entertaining just like it was when Favre did. And I think watching Rodgers beat them twice would be what this FO deserves for its routine complacency. Sorry to break it to you but you don't have a monopoly on what people can post. The majority of the Packers fan base is frustrated with this crap. They haven't played in a Super Bowl in 15 years despite having one of the best QBs of all time. Then they sink $200mm into another guy and just continue to save cap space for a rainy day for some reason. Meanwhile Philadelphia has won it, fired a coach and rebuilt and won it again in less than half the timeframe. It's the GM's job to find creative ways to improve the roster, Gute has not done this. That's not to say he hasn't done anything right, but if you're going to build through the draft, you'd better draft better in the 1st than he has. I think the Packers have run most people's patience pretty thin especially after giving a speech about how it was time to compete for titles at the EOY. I feel the way you do about all the Positive Pete crap. I'll be posting freely, without regard to your feelings, sorry, especially if and when the Packers are 9-8 in 3rd place.

This is as unexcited as I've been heading into a Packers season in some time. I don't care what they do in the draft. I hope they hit, but nothing they do there will get me excited. Probably since 2018 or whenever it was when I was pretty confident they were going to suck, and they did. I was definitely excited Love's first year and last year to see the improvement, but the Packers are clearly ok with being ok, and competing for the 5th seed because that is what this team is. Not a chance this team wins the North and it is not a top tier club. They're close, which makes it all the more maddening we apparently have this TT reincarnate. My gut right now is they'll be worse than last season. Genuinely not sure this is even a playoff team, with how competitive the NFC looks to be again.

This is definitely the most tournament-built team the Badgers have had since playing in the Final. Doesn't mean they won't lose next round, but it does really feel like they could go far.

Hendrickson is never happening. I don't know why people are even entertaining it. You'll be lucky if the Packers first round draft pick isn't a "raw" DL with "upside" that plays 14% of the defensive snaps.

I've said it before and I will say it again. The offensive line was not holding the Packers back last year. They ran for 2,500 yards and Jordan Love threw a lot of just absolutely awful throws that cannot be explained away by pressure, there were plenty of times he had no one in his face and just threw bad passes. I think he was hurt all year, personally. Maybe their offensive line is better, maybe it had a bad moment here and there, but it wasn't impeding then from going anywhere. They didn't want to retain those guys and went in another direction, that's fine, doesn't bother me at all. But when it comes to addressing weaknesses on this roster they haven't done it. Well I guess Hardman probably means I've watched Nixon take his last kick back, which is something.

I am not sure we regressed much if at all. I just think the NFC was drastically better last year than the year before. Perhaps if you're not getting better you're getting worse, but I think we were pretty much the same with the biggest difference being that Love regressed. Our defense was better, but overall kind of a wash.

I think he's going to retire. It's not insurmountable, but the narrative that he didn't want to be in Pitt/NY, once they lose a couple games and that he really wanted Minny, would be insufferable. Minnesota was a very real chance to win a Super Bowl. The other two aren't there.

We signed 2 guys out of necessity because we let the same 2 walk. We did jack to improve our weaknesses. I will always hold out hope that there is development of rostered players so yeah, it's possible we show up better. I do not however see the talent necessary to win big along the defensive line. It's much more believable that a WR has a strong season and emerges.

I couldn't agree more. They really talked this off-season up like it was time to make moves and we got the Ted Thompson treatment. A no-name scrub WR today is the cherry on top. They are not a lick better than they were to end the season, arguably worse because Watson and a few others are gone. And I guess we are supposed to hope for the draft to put us over the hump. Incredibly disappointing. I really hope Rodgers goes to Minnesota and beats us twice.

At least Tonje isn't doing this in the important tournament.

The college crowd would be DJ Shaq, as the concert follows one of the college night promotions, Thursday is a going out night, and they will probably see it as a funny gimmicky thing that costs nothing extra to do. It makes sense. Nelly attracts a different group of people but for the same reason. I was dragged to Nelly at Summerfest free stage a few years ago because my wife wanted to see him. Is she a huge Nelly fan? No, but she thinks it's a fun show and it's what she listened to in high school. That is exactly what they're after. Non-baseball fans or irregular attendees having a reason to go. Both of these acts likely cost way less than a giveaway.

It's ridiculous. Nobody has any idea what the supposed hold-up is. Rodgers could want 2 years and they are sticking to 1. Rodgers could have a personal minimum wage which he is completely entitled to, and his agent is working it out. Or he is weighing relocating from NY (if the Giants are an option). It could be literally anything. And you've got even respectable guys like Schefter acting like he's doing something wrong by not declaring his choices on March 13.

Am Fam lots are 12k vehicles at capacity. If we are to believe surveys, roughly 40% of attendees consume alcohol when attending an MLB game so give or take on that. I would like to believe that when it comes to drivers, substantially fewer are consuming enough to leave the game legally drunk (plus there are rideshares, bar shuttles). My total guess would be under 1,000 vehicles. I think far fewer are getting inebriated than a casual observer would think just because, for one, people don't actually drink as much as we think (the US has one of the highest alcohol-abstinent populations in the world), and two, the drunks just stand out.

I know it wasn't the point of the post, but that is a massive exaggeration. Yes there are drunk people at the games, but it really isn't the majority of fans, they're just loud, and I would hope that the majority of those aren't driving. I have no doubt that a few hundred .08ers are driving home, but I don't think (hope) it's that many.

It's Wednesday, FA opened Monday, Aaron Rodgers has only just now been released, and he's "holding teams hostage." Nothing must sell better than "Rodgers is a jerk." Good grief.