Debating pitch counts doesn't end anywhere realistic though. All managers: pro, college, high school, etc... have pitch limits for guys and are now going by that to determine decisions. Getting after CC for it is just, well, foolish. They are being careful and building arms up. And no, throwing before the season, while good, doesn't build your arm up for game situations. I can understand that people don't like pitch counts but I don't know a single program that doesn't have these restraints now. It just the way the game is played.