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Stevens is just a guy. The Yelich trade was brilliant and obviously picking Hiura was excellent. Other than that, he has built an old, clumsy roster that has little flexibility, pitching, and farm system. CC and DJ made him look better than he is.

Interesting to lump Grisham into that group. Let's see him perform for more than spot starts over 2 weeks before we do that. He’s a 1st round pick with a superior eye, with a great plate approach that can barrel a baseball. Big discount if we can get him to extend now. No brainer. No brainer? He has had like two good months in his whole career. No one is signing him to a big extension

Where would Counsell go? Nobody else is likely to offer him a manager’s job and I don’t see him leaving to take a coaching job. I think it’s more likely that he would be fired than leave voluntarily, and I doubt if he will be fired. Literally every team that will have a manager opening will want Counsel.

Technically Nick Ramirez became a major league pitcher but that’s not what you are looking for when you are developing pitching on the farm.

For the sake of discussion, let’s say you’re right on Nelson, how many innings could anyone reasonably expect the Brewers to give him in 2019, and for that matter 2020 after barely pitching at all for so long?

Pics or it didn’t happen

People who actually do this for a living think you're wrong, so I'll go with them. That’s fine, I’ll go with “and that”. I’m 100% sure he knows 10,000 times more in depth knowledge on the crew’s system, than a lazy, months late take from a publication that has to cover 30 teams. And That puts in some incredible time and effort no doubt. However minor league pitching development is notoriously fickle and frustrating. Every team in the league has good “potential” at the lower levels, then reality outpaces potential and you know the rest. Even slam dunks like Burnes and to an extent Peralta should give anyone pause calling a guy in low A a done deal to contribute. There are posters still thinking Nelson and Sutter are meaningful assets so that tells you all you need to know about our pitching reality.

At the end of the day it’s tough to be happy with the 30th ranked farm, a horrible pitching staff, and some guys on one year deals to go with Hiura and Yelich.

I don't understand this statement. Stearns took over a team with a mediocre farm system that lost 94 games and that looked like it was going into a 5 or 6 year tank job and got them above .500 in 2 seasons and 1 hit away from the World Series in 3 years. Hard to complain about Stearns' results so far. I figured the team would look like the 2017 White Sox at this point, instead we almost went to the World Series last year. Do you feel that Stearns has set us up for success in 2020 and beyond? Because that’s the premise of this thread, whether Counsel is the guy to manage this team going forward.

These unis are painful to watch. Baseball just does stuff like this.

These unis are painful to watch. Baseball just does stuff like this.

These unis are painful to watch. Baseball just does stuff like this.

Meh. Every fan in the league says things like this about their own players. We don’t have 60 type guys because they aren’t very good, not because there is some sort of bias against Milwaukee.

Meh. Every fan in the league says things like this about their own players. We don’t have 60 type guys because they aren’t very good, not because there is some sort of bias against Milwaukee.

Meh. Every fan in the league says things like this about their own players. We don’t have 60 type guys because they aren’t very good, not because there is some sort of bias against Milwaukee.

This says it all

This says it all

This says it all

Since Stearns took over almost 4 years ago, two of his own draft picks (Hiura and Burnes) have made it to the majors and made a significant impact. Burnes has been terrible this year but there's no denying he was key to their 2018 run and still possesses the arm talent to be a MLB pitcher. He took a collection of blocked prospects based on the timeframe when they'd have required addition to the Brewers' 40 man + Yamamoto and turned it into Yelich, who still has a decent shot at back to back NL MVPs with a few more years of team-friendly control remaining, and several other low level prospects he traded for have also made it to the majors (Peralta, Nottingham). Other prospects like Ortiz, Modeiros, and Phillips were only valuable until they stepped foot on a MLB field or even upper levels of the minors, as their on-field results make them afterthoughts. The Brewers system was pretty well regarded a few years ago, but those same prospects who made up a big part of its higher ranking that Stearns likely dealt at peak (or marginally higher) value have largely proven to be duds. Who cares if the 2016-2017 prospects in the system that gave them a top 5 or top 10 ranking back then are no longer around when they can't actually play at the MLB level? That is hardly a bad job with the Farm - he used the farm to get the MLB club to a home NLCS game 7 last year, and on paper had a more talented roster heading into opening day 2019. Had Stearns not done the same things with the farm that he did, the Brewers don't have Yelich and are in the unenviable wasteland of MLB afterthoughts. I don't love their chances this year given how poorly they've played as a collective unit since the calendar turned to June, but they at least have pieces to build competitive rosters around - and as for the farm, its strength is in the lower levels that are the product of recent drafts. The poor system rating today is largely due to a lack of young talent in its upper levels that can be directly linked to the last couple poor drafts made when Melvin was GM. Melvin left in 2016. The 30th ranked system is all on Stearns. Great pick in Hiura no doubt. Trading away draft picks for dubious player and an overpriced FA is silly. The rest of the picks are guys who so far haven’t panned out. Maybe guys like Lutz will turn exit velocity into performance and Burnes will figure out what is happening to him. There is no denying the farm is in bad shape now and that’s squarely on our GM who hasn’t exactly killed it building the 2019 team either.

Since Stearns took over almost 4 years ago, two of his own draft picks (Hiura and Burnes) have made it to the majors and made a significant impact. Burnes has been terrible this year but there's no denying he was key to their 2018 run and still possesses the arm talent to be a MLB pitcher. He took a collection of blocked prospects based on the timeframe when they'd have required addition to the Brewers' 40 man + Yamamoto and turned it into Yelich, who still has a decent shot at back to back NL MVPs with a few more years of team-friendly control remaining, and several other low level prospects he traded for have also made it to the majors (Peralta, Nottingham). Other prospects like Ortiz, Modeiros, and Phillips were only valuable until they stepped foot on a MLB field or even upper levels of the minors, as their on-field results make them afterthoughts. The Brewers system was pretty well regarded a few years ago, but those same prospects who made up a big part of its higher ranking that Stearns likely dealt at peak (or marginally higher) value have largely proven to be duds. Who cares if the 2016-2017 prospects in the system that gave them a top 5 or top 10 ranking back then are no longer around when they can't actually play at the MLB level? That is hardly a bad job with the Farm - he used the farm to get the MLB club to a home NLCS game 7 last year, and on paper had a more talented roster heading into opening day 2019. Had Stearns not done the same things with the farm that he did, the Brewers don't have Yelich and are in the unenviable wasteland of MLB afterthoughts. I don't love their chances this year given how poorly they've played as a collective unit since the calendar turned to June, but they at least have pieces to build competitive rosters around - and as for the farm, its strength is in the lower levels that are the product of recent drafts. The poor system rating today is largely due to a lack of young talent in its upper levels that can be directly linked to the last couple poor drafts made when Melvin was GM. Melvin left in 2016. The 30th ranked system is all on Stearns. Great pick in Hiura no doubt. Trading away draft picks for dubious player and an overpriced FA is silly. The rest of the picks are guys who so far haven’t panned out. Maybe guys like Lutz will turn exit velocity into performance and Burnes will figure out what is happening to him. There is no denying the farm is in bad shape now and that’s squarely on our GM who hasn’t exactly killed it building the 2019 team either.

Since Stearns took over almost 4 years ago, two of his own draft picks (Hiura and Burnes) have made it to the majors and made a significant impact. Burnes has been terrible this year but there's no denying he was key to their 2018 run and still possesses the arm talent to be a MLB pitcher. He took a collection of blocked prospects based on the timeframe when they'd have required addition to the Brewers' 40 man + Yamamoto and turned it into Yelich, who still has a decent shot at back to back NL MVPs with a few more years of team-friendly control remaining, and several other low level prospects he traded for have also made it to the majors (Peralta, Nottingham). Other prospects like Ortiz, Modeiros, and Phillips were only valuable until they stepped foot on a MLB field or even upper levels of the minors, as their on-field results make them afterthoughts. The Brewers system was pretty well regarded a few years ago, but those same prospects who made up a big part of its higher ranking that Stearns likely dealt at peak (or marginally higher) value have largely proven to be duds. Who cares if the 2016-2017 prospects in the system that gave them a top 5 or top 10 ranking back then are no longer around when they can't actually play at the MLB level? That is hardly a bad job with the Farm - he used the farm to get the MLB club to a home NLCS game 7 last year, and on paper had a more talented roster heading into opening day 2019. Had Stearns not done the same things with the farm that he did, the Brewers don't have Yelich and are in the unenviable wasteland of MLB afterthoughts. I don't love their chances this year given how poorly they've played as a collective unit since the calendar turned to June, but they at least have pieces to build competitive rosters around - and as for the farm, its strength is in the lower levels that are the product of recent drafts. The poor system rating today is largely due to a lack of young talent in its upper levels that can be directly linked to the last couple poor drafts made when Melvin was GM. Melvin left in 2016. The 30th ranked system is all on Stearns. Great pick in Hiura no doubt. Trading away draft picks for dubious player and an overpriced FA is silly. The rest of the picks are guys who so far haven’t panned out. Maybe guys like Lutz will turn exit velocity into performance and Burnes will figure out what is happening to him. There is no denying the farm is in bad shape now and that’s squarely on our GM who hasn’t exactly killed it building the 2019 team either.

After seeing what a Stearns has done to this roster and especially the farm, how is CC even a consideration for replacement at this point? He is easily one of the top 5 managers in baseball and should be receiving an extension.

After seeing what a Stearns has done to this roster and especially the farm, how is CC even a consideration for replacement at this point? He is easily one of the top 5 managers in baseball and should be receiving an extension.

After seeing what a Stearns has done to this roster and especially the farm, how is CC even a consideration for replacement at this point? He is easily one of the top 5 managers in baseball and should be receiving an extension.

Stearns did such a bad job with the Farm that it’s tough to see what we can do next year short of hope we get bounce back years and better health.