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Maybe I’m going to just wait until July 31st. Endless speculation and false “reporting” will not do any of us any good.
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Everything I’m seeing suggests Woodruff, Phillips, and Brown for Machado plus possibly Britton? Brown getting scratched hours from his start plus the same thing happening to Woodruff can’t possibly be innings control. Clearly they had them ready to start and nothing about their innings totals changed prior to tonight.
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Crasnick reporting Phillips is possible piece.
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If the price is Phillips and Woodruff, anything else better be a low-level prospect or an organizational soldier-type. Maybe they'd want Jake Hager or Dylan Moore to plug in at SS the rest of the season? I'd be very hesitant to include Arcia along with Phillips and Woodruff. I can be swayed either way on this. I think we all know Peralta and Hiura are off the table but who knows the rest? JDM was acquired for very little while Chapman and CC went for a lot. I’d say phrases like “just a rental” are reserved for Walker and Swarzak. Machado is very possibly the difference between a pennant and watching the Cubs on tv in October. 54 wins before ASB is no joke and we do need to put our foot on the gas. Who knows when we will see this again?
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If the Brewers would rather start a guy like Wilkerson over one of their top major league ready prospects that would raise a lot of red flags to everyone, yes even the Orioles. The decision was so eyebrow raising that most suggested the trade scenario.
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I agree with that if you disregard 5 of his 8 starts last year and everything this year (outside of his Coors start) that he hasn't had success at the MLB level. The Brewers were most likely already involved in talks with the Os at the time they made their decision to bring up Wilkerson as 24-48hrs later Woodruff was scratched from his start (ie they could have known they'd have to go down that path of having Woodruff in the deal so didn't want to risk injury). Peralta is already up. Burnes already transitioned to the pen. Therefore Wilkerson is literally the next dude in line to start combined with him throwing well at AAA since he came back from his injury to start the season. Burnes is tearing it up on the road in the PCL. He throws 93-97 with 3 good secondary pitches and has more control than Woodruff. He projects to be better down the road as a result. When you have Peralta/Burnes in front of Woodruff and Ortiz/Brown behind him why not use him to land Machado? It's not that they're sour on him it's all of this combined. There's only so many spots for all these guys so they have to be traded. Ortiz/Brown are the farthest away so maybe they're in the deal instead of Woodruff Many of us suggested that was the reason he was bumped for such an obvious spot start. I do think he is going in a trade for Machado. The issue is the 2nd/3rd pieces.
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I’m not down on Woodruff at all. Baseball history is full of quality pitchers having mediocre starts to their careers. But if I’m the Orioles I would need a really good answer why we are stating Wilkerson in an important game over a top 100 prospect who should be more than ready.
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Infielders who can hit are worth more than outfielders who can hit.
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Sorry, I guess I'm just getting antsy. I don't get how some posters are ready to throw Woodruff, Broxton and more at Machado, while the same guys are saying Burnes is untouchable. I mean is it simply because Burnes is less known? Both have solid middle of the rotation profiles. Woodruff is about 20 months older than Burnes. I mean, it's gotta be because Woodruff has ben kicking around the system longer, and already has MLB experience, right? Are we going to be looking at Burnes the same way at this time next year if he doesn't dominate at the MLB level? To me the two are interchangeable. Prospects are only prospects until they aren’t. Woodruff hasn’t had success at the MLB level and even the Brewers themselves seem to have soured on him with the likes of Wilkerson getting innings over him. That is puzzling because Wilkerson isn’t our future so there is zero reason to have him starting July games in a pennant race over a top 100 prospect. Yes it’s very small sample size and many pitchers look horrible in their first year. Burnes tore it up until he got to CS. I will say moving him to the pen seemed like an odd move considering we really need him to be a starter so I’m wondering about Milwaukee’s thinking here with him. As for Machado, he is the best hitting infielder in the game at a position of need for us. I was reading that a WS win can be worth around $100M to a team, and a WS appearance over $50M, so for that I’d give up a good talent if I’m the Brewers.
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I’d be fine with this. Jack up the price to LA or Chicago for Machado then get Lowrie for Ray or some low level package like that.
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I would love that deal but if that’s all it would take why hasn’t it happened already? It’s basically just Woodruff for the best offensive infielder in the game. Seems like a no brainer. I wouldn't blame the Brewers for being hesitant to give up Woodruff. Young starting power pitchers are rare enough, not to mention the fact that he has looked very good at Colorado Springs this year, whereas Burnes (who many say is off limits) has struggled at Colorado Springs. Woodruff isn't some "throw-in" type pitcher. The guy is following a very similar path that Jimmy Nelson did, and could very well turn out to be a solid mid-rotation starter, if not much more. Oh no doubt. Woodruff is a real prospect and I guy I wouldn’t just give up on based on a small sample of MLB results. Still this is Machado we are talking about so we will have to give up quality. Woodruff by all measures seems to be our 4th best prospect if you include Peralta still in that category.
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Ray for Happ and then Woodruff plus for Machado. Playoffs baby!
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I would love that deal but if that’s all it would take why hasn’t it happened already? It’s basically just Woodruff for the best offensive infielder in the game. Seems like a no brainer.
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This is going to happen. He is a perfect fit for what we need and we have that AA-AAA pitching they apparently want. If they want Nottingham, even better. Playoffs here we come!
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I think we get him. The NL is vulnerable.
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Seriously though, this is a team with a lot of players who always seem to have nagging injuries and don’t score a lot of runs to begin with. He is keeping his given roster fresh and searching for that magic lineup chemistry.
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[sarcasm]Yeah what does that Counsel know about baseball?[/sarcasm]
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2018 Trade Deadline Prediction Thread
Boomer5 replied to Eye Black's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Machado won’t require Hiura, Realmuto will most likely. -
We don't have enough to get him and we can't afford his contract. Not a fit.
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You must have missed the thread on the front page with "Wilkerson starting tomorrow" in the title... I did miss it. My reaction remains the same.
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Wilkerson starting. Really? Someone teach me how to insert the blink 182 mullet gif please because that is the only possible post here.
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2018 Trade Deadline Prediction Thread
Boomer5 replied to Eye Black's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Machado for Burnes Woodruff Supak Happ for Ray -
Point being I think the only true needle mover that won’t cost us Hiura is Machado.
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Arcia is a serious sell low, Ray isn’t an elite prospect anymore, and Burnes hit a rough patch. I do think that gets us Machado but no way that gets us a 2.5 to 3 controllable TOR.
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Machado has to be priority one. I can’t even imagine the excitement in Miller Park if this happens. Hiura has to stay because we really don’t have anyone in the minors that projects as an impact bat. Peralta pretty much has to stay because he is our best MLB starter now. But everyone else is fair game. Yes even Burnes. Yes even for a rental. Flags fly forever.