MKE81

Walker has a career minor league OBP of .310 and K rate of 30% on top of below-average defense. Yes, he has higher upside, but he will likely have to move to 1B where his bat projects to be well below average. Neither is great, but IMO Wren projects to be more successful in the majors (as a 4th OF) than Walker (as a 1B). As for a Walker-Kh. Davis-C. Carter comparison, they aren't comparable. Looking at their minor league numbers: Walker: .251/.310/.486, 30% K rate, 7.7% BB rate, 5% HR rate Kh. Davis: .285/.389/.501, 20% K rate, 12.7% BB rate, 4% HR rate C. Carter: .283/.378/.535, 23.5% K rate, 12.1% BB rate, 5% HR rate Carter was also drafted out of HS, whereas Walker and Davis were drafted out of college. The odds of Walker developing into Khris Davis or Chris Carter are pretty slim. I never compared him to Davis or Carter. Your description about Wren can be said about Reed except Reed is better in almost every facet of the game, which is why he's thought of as a possible average starter or very good 4th vs Wren as a 5th ceiling. 5th OFs don't make bigger impacts than every day players. I also don't care about Walker's below average OF defense because he won't be playing OF for us. Your key phrase is Walker having "higher upside". He's going to K a lot but he can put up similar or better slash lines as Moreland, Moss, Adams, Marte, Zimmerman and such while hitting for elite power playing no worse than Carter on defense.

Compared to Reed and Walker, I'd much rather have Wren on my 40 man. Reed is 2yrs younger and at the same level in the org; the only things he doesn't do better than Wren are stealing bases and hitting for a higher BA. Reed all day over Wren. The Twins system has been ranked between 3 and 10 the past 2 seasons and Walker was 8-15. Sickles had him at 8 in their system heading into this season. You'd rather have a AAAA OF over a cheap, controllable, young starting 1b hitting 30-40HR? Wow

Not to mention Puig just replaces Braun - a position we are most stacked at so I don't understand the logic behind that example of MLB talent coming back

Here's a reality check since I was the guy who posted the Brinson 20/20 floor perspective. This year there were TWO CF in MLB who were 20/20. Not nine....TWO. You can say "if given 600 AB then xyz..." all day long but it's not realistic because almost everyone doesn't reach 600 AB. Last year there were TWO CF who had 600 AB. Over the past 3yrs there have been between 12-14 CF each year in MLB who only had 500+ AB. There are 30 teams. You do the math. There are 90 starting OFs in MLB. This year there were FIVE 20/20 (3 in 2015, 2 in 2014). 38 had 500+ AB (7 of those had 600+). Again, do the math. 20/20 OFs don't fall off a tree. Which is why you don't trade them unless you do so from a position of depth. Regarding Scooter, someone will trade for him even if it's as a platoon and lefty bat off bench. It'll be for 1-2 low level prospects (or a pen arm perhaps) but it doesn't matter because we have Villar ready to improve the 2b position and getting anything for Scooter will benefit the org somehow even if it's just to provide additional depth somewhere.

O's have a DH spot too and Trumbo is a FA

Webb, Weiss (injury factor though) are intriguing

There is no 3b right now or for the next 2-3yrs. Villar is a middle IF who can fill in at 3b, he's not a starter there for a career. He'll also be more valuable as an up the middle player. A Hwang type at 3b allows Villar to go to 2b, which then increases the offensive and defensive output of the IF as a whole. Scooter "should" be as good as gone. Perez, as stated above, isn't a regular. While I'd be comfortable with him starting he's more effective as a utility, which is why they need to find a 3b to start for the next 2-3yrs. If the opportunities aren't as great for Perez this year compared to last then so be it. This team won't be built around what's best for him, nor should it. Both Susac and Pina already are upgrades over Maldy. They don't need a lefty bat they need quality players. The Brewers have been good at finding pen arms for some years now. It's not difficult to focus on multiple position upgrades simultaneously. Nobody's saying 3b is a top priority but it needs to be addressed hence this discussion

I'd have no issue with us taking a shot on this guy leaving Perez as super utility. I'm on board with this. While I wouldn't mind Perez starting at 3b I'd rather have him as super utility. Hwang looks like he's definitely worth a shot. What would his price tag be?

False - Rizzo was #75 pre-2012 on BP and BA but was unranked on MLB.com pre-2012 (the trade was made in January of 2012). (Funny how what #75 ranking comes into play.) Cashner was in the majors two years after he was drafted. I also believe he was off the prospect lists pre-2011 because he had >50 IP and 123 days of major league service time - and thus no longer qualified for rookie status in 2011 - but I could be wrong about that. I was also the first person on this message board who thought that Mike Fiers and Jacob Barnes were legitimate pitching prospects. I've been proven right on a few things over the years. I hope Brinson is the top-20 prospect that everyone on the planet except me thinks he is. However, if the Brewers shouldn't trade him because he is a 5-tool talent and the best CF prospect in the system... then why did the Rangers trade him? False - Rizzo was 75 on BA and 69 on BP (pre 2011) then he was 37, 47, 75 pre-2012 for all three. He was a Top 47 on two lists when traded. The internet is a funny thing. WOW- you really went out on a limb calling Barnes/Fiers legitimate pitching prospects. Not like they had very good success at every level or anything. The Rangers could afford to trade Brinson to acquire a Top 3 catcher and very good back end pen arm. They did everything to push Gallo but knew they wouldn't get Lucroy/Jeffress without giving up Brinson. Excellent prospects and MLB players are traded annually

231/318/726 last year as a 23yr old in first MLB season (better than 2015). 2015 he slashed 288/385/888 including his not so good MLB numbers. 2014 was 264/360/775 including his 0-8 in MLB. He doesn't have serious issues. You might be the only person who would say Kirk is basically Ellsbury.

Kirk was hurt in the beginning of September and was getting sporadic pinch hit appearances and resting hoping he could come back before the season. Suffice it to say, if he wasn't injured, what you saw the first couple of weeks after Santana came back is what you would've seen for the rest of the season if not for the injury. Between Sept 2-13 (12 games) Kirk started 7x playing the entire game and subbed late in another. So, no, he wasn't hurt and barely playing. Santana clearly saw an increase in PT in Sept (starting 11 of first 15 games that month) even while Kirk was still playing, as noted, and Santana was killing it in Sept until Kirk went down (16th).

I agree with most of this except Kirk was still receiving quite a bit of PT when Santana returned and Broxton was starting to emerge. This continued all the way until Kirk got hurt. I don't remember exactly what the split was between playing time among the 3 but it was extremely frustrating and not something I hope to see again this year. Broxton was already established when Santana came back (Aug 19). Kirk went down Sept 16. There were 28 games in that gap and Broxton started 23. Santana and Kirk started 16. There was around a 2wk gap when Santana first came back where he was playing less than half the time but he started 11 of 15 before Kirk went down. There were times where Perez was in for Santana as well. I don't like Kirk at all. But I'm not as disappointed as others on here with the shared time because Santana missed so much time so he can be eased back (plus match ups too). People seem to think Kirk would have continued to take a lot of time from them both but he wasn't in Sept and wouldn't have moving forward. Those 11 of 15 starts for Santana before Kirk went down he hit 349, 3 doubles, 4HR.

Kirk only received a lot of PAs due to Santana's injury, Broxton flopping until final 2 months and Flores being inconsistent all year. If Santana/Broxton carry over their productivity then Kirk, or anyone else, won't be playing much in the OF. That sentiment amplifies if Puig is coming back in a Braun trade too because he's needs the PT to rebound. If that trade happens I can see Kirk removed as Reed/Perez (possibly Wren depending...) taking the backup spots. I can't see the Brewers claiming Walker to keep him in the OF- they have to be moving him to his college position of 1b. Carter is back and traded at deadline if Walker is performing well in AAA or if Walker is on the 25 from the start he's backup 1b and power bat off bench they never had this year. If Braun does indeed go to LA and the return is same as before then one player needs to be traded or removed to open up room for Puig/McCarthy. My gut says Scooter, Maldy, 1-2 SP traded over winter meetings with Braun also traded to LA and Stearns grabbing one Rule 5 player. And I kindly ask St Nick to remove Goforth and Kirk from the 40

While it's possible Plouffe posts those numbers it's unrealistic he does so. He can definitely hit 250+. Over the last 5yrs his OBP has exceed 309 - once (323). He could hit 30 doubles but would need 500 AB. He's never hit more than 24HR and that was 5yrs ago. He'll need 500 AB just to hit 20. With Arcia/Villar up the middle they're not sitting unless they're injured. Perez will work his way in and, if Braun's traded to LA and Puig comes back, he won't be seeing much OF either unless an injury. 3b is where Perez will probably see most of his time. Plus, if they're planning on Walker being on the team providing power off bench he might be the one backing up Carter (he played 1b in college). I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we landed Plouffe I just don't think Stearns will target him. My gut is he tries to acquire a young, blocked 3b who can play for 2-3yrs before trading him instead of playing the Aaron Hill game annually

I don't think Stearns targets him

Camelback Ranch (Dodgers/White Sox) is easy to get in and out of if you approach the park from the West. El Mirage Road then east on Camelback to the ballpark. There's never any traffic from that direction. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Spot on! Nice park too with similarities to Salt River (best stadium). I like Goodyear too. Cubs have a solid newer stadium as well

Coulter and Taylor aren't going anywhere. I could see Diaz or Wang selected but it's not earth shattering if that's the case. I agree with everyone else regarding Goforth, Scahill and others - don't see the point in keeping them on the 40 over Diaz and Wang other than they can contribute to the MLB roster right now. I really like the Walker sign and hope he sticks with the Brewers as a power bat off the bench. You'd think they'd be putting a 1b glove in his hand right away increasing his versatility. He could end up being the 1b solution in the short-term moving forward. I still see us keeping Carter and maybe trading him by the deadline with Walker taking over after that

So 3-4 months of MLB success at age 31 (first season) lands a Top 50? I said 1-2wks ago if I get one Top 100 I immediately accept. He is 32 next year and his career up to last year wasn't great even though he had recent bright spots. Trade him now if the offer is solid

Pass. I'll take the Dodgers deal without even knowing who the two quality prospects are given no money was reportedly going to LA and Puig has already proven his AS talent. I'll go with the known commodity vs 3yrs away Rutherford. Puig performs and you're getting two great prospects for him on top of the two we are already getting for Braun plus whatever we get for McCarthy.

I'll remind you of that comment when he gets his full season's chance. Keon Broxton had nothing on the ceiling Santana has, and look at his emergence over the course of just one year. OK? What does that prove? I could say that about any player. He doesn't have major value right now. Could he with a full healthy season? Sure, but that really isn't saying much. You can't simply factor in his current value and call it a day when analyzing this hypothetical. Hader is going to be equal to or better than Quintana (3.29 ERA past 3yrs with 7.4K rate) and he's 5yrs younger. Santana is ex-Top 100 and was great at the AAA level with extensive play there and he's 24 next year. Worst case he should be 255/350/800. And no, that can't be said about just anybody because not just anybody has that ceiling. Bickford, if scouts are right, will be a mid-rotation or high leverage reliever. BrewCrew is clearly speaking from the perspective of what these players can be in the near future, as was I in my comment. So, hypothetically, we want to give up potentially a better SP, solid RF, worst case high leverage reliever and Scooter for a SP that has a 3.29 ERA the past 3yrs who's 28 next year. He's not an ace. He's just really good and consistent. I don't see the point at all of the hypothetical offering. (creating hypothetical's are fun and good for discussion but only if it's logical to what we're doing now and moving forward. what's proposed makes zero sense both right now and for the future).

If Nieuwenhuis took AB's from Santana, why wouldn't Davis? Because of context. Santana was the every day RF until his injury, which sidelined him a long time. He came back once then went right back out again shortly thereafter. People speculate as to why Kirk still played when Santana was back in mid-late Aug but it could have easily been to ease him back the first couple weeks or so. 2016 was a lost season from the start so why risk additional injury, in meaningless Sept games, to a young player you have high hopes for. Kirk, Broxton, Flores were competing in CF. This year Broxton is the starter going in so all 3 OF spots are penciled in barring injury. Rajai is 36 and doesn't come close to any of them on the offensive side other than stealing more bases than our corner spots. In less than 2yrs Santana/Broxton can bring back value. Rajai won't

I would actually be upset if the Brewers did that trade. Quintana is a very good pitcher but Hader is 5yrs younger and could be just as good if not better. Then you're giving up Bickford, Santana on top of that? No. Signing Turner for 5yrs means he's here during his age 32-36 seasons. Considering he did nothing prior to his age 29 season and didn't really break out until age 30 means he will most likely be an avg player at best his final 2yrs of that contract and you'll get nothing decent in a trade unless you kick in money. And Erceg will most likely be up by year 4 of that deal, which means you're moving Turner somewhere. Plus we aren't competitive in 2017 and 2018 we could be competitive but not playoff competitive (almost-ish). So trading for 2yrs of Quintana then signing Turner really doesn't make much sense from my perspective. The Brewers don't need Castro either - Pina hits RHP better than him and he's 1/10 the price tag. Susac/Pina will be the catchers as Maldy isn't competing with them to start (even though they might say he is).

Seems like people think a Rajai signing would mean he'd take ABs from Broxton/Santana. There's no way the Brewers are doing that. If he signs, which he won't, it'll be as a 4th OF/pinch hitter/runner filling in on off days or if there's an injury or trade

You miss my point. Suter posted a 3.45 ERA in AAA over 146 innings. That's pitching half the time in Colorado Springs, one of the most hitter-friendly parks in professional baseball. He's gotta be doing something VERY right. You seem to be focused too much on "stuff" and not enough on what he actually DOES. From what he's actually done, why not see what he does in the rotation or the back of the bullpen? Does it matter if his fastball is only 85 miles per hour when he gets hitters out? I'm not looking for someone who can post an eye-popping number on the radar. I want someone who sends their hitters back to the dugout. Suter's done that and shown far more ability to do that than Kodi Medeiros (whose ERA was just barely on the right side of 6.00 at one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in baseball - Brevard County). My baseball related comprehension skills are quite strong so I understood what and why you said what you did. And "stuff" does matter. Again, Suter is a fastball/change up pitcher and that's exactly why his numbers look better than everyone else in AAA. The conditions don't affect either of those. He will get rocked as a starter in MLB (already has) and typically closers have some of the best "stuff" - as in 94-99 with nasty offspeed. There's a reason that "stuff" plays well in the final 1-2 innings instead of 83-85 with no movement and a good change. He knows how to pitch, he works quickly and is a lefty so he has things going for him but he will have to carve out a role as either a lefty specialist or 5-6th inning guy. The average AAA hitters aren't anywhere near as good as the average MLB hitters either. This is the reality of it whether you want to believe it or not

If he's a cheap sign I have no issue as a 4th OF but I don't see it happening