Jopal78

Ok, let’s unpack this. The Packers are in the bottom third of the league in cap space already. They have Wyatt, Quay Walker, Sean Rhyan, all coming out of contract (Not to mention Rasheed Walker, Enagbare and Doubs), cap space is at a premium Cutting Jacobs saves them 8 million dollars in cap space. I’ll let you put Wyatt, Walker, and Jacobs in order of importance but if you’re being honest he’s 3rd (maybe even 4th depending how they view Rhyan’s solidification of the OL after moving in as a starter at C). Now turning to production. The Packers have lightened his load this year, and his yard per attempt went down despite being rested more. His yards after contact are down significantly, likewise his broken tackles are way down, both of which also likely explain his lack of long runs. Then you dismiss lack of long runs and bring up touchdowns scored. What relevance do touchdowns scored have, especially when 8 of his 14 were from 3 yards out or less (Unless you think Wilson couldn’t have also barreled in from 3 yards away)? You’re right, maybe they demand Jacobs take a huge pay cut for ‘26 and he comes back because he estimates he won’t do better as a free agent. Is that a player you really want as a starter? But objectively, Jacobs is a 28 year old running back, with lots of mileage (more career carries than Saquon, Kamara or McCaffery who are all older), starting to have nagging injuries, his physicality is diminishing statistically, and he’s not a threat to take it to the house. When teams can often find starting tailbacks on the 3rd day of the draft, it’s not really a hard decision on Jacobs.

McNeil, Alonso, Nimmo and Diaz all elsewhere, Mets fans probably wondering how long Stearns has left on his contract

Jacobs isn’t any good either. When you have 2 runs for more than 20 yards across 15 games, it’s not good. With 8 million in potential cap savings more likely than not he gets released after the season.

When 7 teams make the playoffs from each conference and there are only 8 teams with winning records in the NFC the bar is set pretty low to get into the post season.

I bet Arenado regrets not getting out, when he nixed a deal to the Astros. He still has 2yrs/42 million left in his contract. Truly amazing if/when he’s traded the Cardinals will have to include cash which would mean there would be two clubs paying for Arenado to play for someone else (the Rockies are still on the hook for 5 million dollars this year).

LOL…. This is getting too dumb to keep going. However, you do you and keep rocking those Packers colored glasses if you want ( they just make you sound silly like in the paragraph above!).

Really? That’s an asinine take. LaFleur coaches these players everyday from July though January. So under your reasoning some weeks he masterminds a game plan and in others weeks he forgets what he’s doing? LOL… Or is it more likely the coaching is consistent and the players simply don’t execute week in and week out? Which feeds directly into your second point, talent wins games, the Packers are an overall roster of mediocre talent: a few legit star players but 47+ mediocre players.

They’re a mediocre talent team, and are right about where they should be in the standings. If you thought a team which doesn’t even roster many of the best players in their own Division was amongst the cream of the crop, then you were fooling yourself from the get go and it explains your frustration their not marching into the postseason as a one or two seed, and blaming the coaches.

This post could be in the dictionary next to entitled. Sheesh.

You’re missing the point. Where is the room for growth in Green Bay. Lack of talent on offense, lack of first round picks, lack of cap space. Those are objective facts. Taking the Packers roster and getting it to a legit contending status within the above parameters is a tough job, especially when there will be pressure from day one as the fans are going to expect instant results. And spare me with all the super stars down with injuries sabotaged their season. That’s nonsense, as they’ve been mediocre all year. Why did the Bears land the hottest coach candidate last year? Because they had picks, cash, and expectations low enough ownership would allow it to be built the right way. You’re upset the Packers a fringe playoff team, yet clamor it would be the best job in the NFL you can’t have it both ways.

You don’t remember the 80s and earlier then. What have they had 4-5 losing seasons in the last 33 years? In the 80s Green Bay is where careers went to die. For context in 1980 the Packers drafted a player 4th overall (Bruce Clark) and he refused to play for the Packers and went to the CFL until the Packers relinquished his rights. What “great” players? I dare you to name players on the Packers outside of Parsons who are clearly the best at their position in the North Division let alone amongst NFL best. It certainly isn't anyone at QB, RB, WR, CB. A flawed team is still going to win 10 maybe more games, and people equate that with sucking. Signs of a spoiled fan base.

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What’s Policy going to do? Blow it up and start over? Their cap room is tight and no first round picks for 2 years, and sky high expectations from a fan base where one has to be in their mid to late 40s to even understand what it’s like for the team to actually suck. Even assuming they could identify an up and coming GM who would be better than the current GM, said mythical GM wouldn’t find the Packers situation all that appealing. LaFleur and Gutekunst will both get extensions

TE might be close between Tucker and LaPorta. Same amount of games played in their career, LaPorta has been a bigger weapon for Detroit with more yards and touchdowns, Kraft has a better yards per catch. The best RB in the division is Gibbs and it isn’t close. If we’re being honest and not homers Swift is probably second best, then Jacobs. No Packers receiver would probably be more than a #3 on the other North division teams. St. Brown, Williams, Jefferson, Addison, DJ Moore, Odunze/Reed/Doubs?. Depending on the criteria, Goff beats Love in all the statistical categories now. Evaluating on moxie and play making ability? That might be Caleb Williams. Greatest future potential? Also, likely Williams.

It’s philosophical. The other side is you don’t leave trips to the red zone empty handed.

LaFleur and Gutekunst likely both get extensions because they won’t allow them to be lame ducks, and while you can justify firing Gutekunst it’s too big a gamble you could both a better coach and GM, or even find a better GM who would agree to work with LaFleur

I don’t disagree. That’s why he went out and got Parsons— job preservation. LaFleur is a good coach, has schemes to move the ball and score against almost everyone with mediocre talent on offense (how many first round picks does he have on offense? 3?) Gutekunst is a competent GM, would be a gamble assuming you can get someone even better. Then there’s the question if you fire Gutekunst, you likely have to fire LaFleur as well, as a new GM will want his own coaching hire

It’s not LaFleur’‘s fault they lost. yeah they should’ve kicked the field goal early in the game. Nonetheless, LaFleur had a game plan to put points on board and did so with his back up QB even. Defense and ST let them down. Jacobs and Doubs fumbles were the difference in the game The 2025 Packers are just not as talented as the hype machines would have you believe

Don’t fool yourself, look at the talent the Bears have invested in offense. Williams, Loveland, Odunze and OT Darnell Wright were all top 10 picks. , DJ Moore was a first rounder, Swift was take 35th overall and Luther Burden 39th overall. They traded for 2 Pro Bowl guards this year too. Does Ben Johnson get credit for exceeding expectations this year (even though they were set pretty low)? of course, but there are probably high school coaches that could succeed in the pros with the talent group the Bears have amassed in offense. LaFleur knows what he’s doing and schemes up a good game plan, but it’s objective that LaFleur doesn’t have the same talent level on offense as Johnson does so it’s not an apt comparison.

We’ll see how it shakes out. You’re right they have got a pretty good grip on the final conference playoff spot right now; but haven’t earned anything. If they lose to Chicago and Baltimore (they do struggle against mobile QBs) they would then need help to get in.

I’m not talking solely defense. Although if you want to go there, the defense with Parsons not putting away the Giants and Cardinals with backup QBs until the final drive of the game, and getting 40 dropped on them by the Cowboys without Lamb their best offensive weapon, all speaks loudly. The point is and remains: the whole team even with Parsons wasslightly above average at best. Not the top team in their conference, and through 14 games with Parsons nobody can say they were even the top team in their division. It would be an interesting exercise to take time and go through the rosters of the NFC North how many players on the Packers outside of Parsons would even be the best player at their position in the division? McKinney, maybe? Tom? Would it really boils down to, is the GM has been spinning his wheels for 5+ seasons, his contract is coming up, so he pushed in all his chips and hopes to make a splash with Parsons, and improved results before last Sunday weren’t readily apparent for his team, and no the long run is bungled with lack of premium picks and huge contractual guarantees.

It is objective, they are no better this year through 14 games with Parsons than last year, but last year they had seven games against playoff teams on their schedule. This year they’ve had what turned out to be an easy schedule. Backing up for a moment, in ‘24 they went 2-5 against those 7 playoff teams , 1-5 in their division and some how convinced themselves they were one player away from being a Super Bowl contender If you think the 2025 Packers are on a similar trajectory to the 2010 team, you’re fooling yourself. Reflect a moment and ask yourself in how many games have they actually played consistent good football. 2 games maybe? And that’s with six games so far against bottom rung teams, Now, they don’t have Parsons, the picks or the cash to try to get better in 2026

Watch the clip, he must’ve taken too many shots to the skull: he doesn’t remember that he actually got 23 million dollars guaranteed from Arizona. Next, he says while there was no guarantee he would accept it; he wanted the Packers to make him an offer, then contradicts himself at the end of the clip, saying if they would’ve offered him $5 million he would’ve taken it. That’s the problem with talk shows and podcasts they need content, so when some guy goes on and feeds them a line of BS, they don’t have the ability to call the on it.

Unless they believe there’s somebody they can get who’s better they’ll keep him and give him another contract. Sherman and McCarthy hung around like that longer than they should have

He’s played 12 of 14 games, they are undefeated in the games he missed! Give me a break.