You have a pretty serious discrepancy between what you know as fact and what you state as such. Here's a fact. Gary wasn't even listed in our poll for #12. Complete afterthought. Not a single soul would say that's because he was going top 3 or 5. Murray, Bosa, Allen, and Williams were clear top 5 predicts. Prior to Gary being picked: 0 times you seen his name in the thread. Peavey you participated in the poll. Never mentioned Gary being a top 12 choice nor question why he wasn't an option to vote for. Just keep sitting there telling yourself Gary was worth the pick at 12. I'll maintain my questioning of his selection as a fact he won't live up to a #12 selection. This statement is so wrong on so many levels. I totally get questioning the Gary selection, as it is totally open to scrutiny whether adding another edge rusher with a premium pick was really a need, given the signing of two young-ish ones to big money deals, and having another coming off a 10.5 sack season. But not having Gary listed on our poll here was probably an afterthought, as I personally saw him connected to the area where the Packers drafted in many stories and mocks. He certainly wasn't my top choice in that spot, but the guy was a pretty much a top 10 guy in nearly every mock, some early ones even top 5. Was he worth the pick at #12? I'd say yeah, simply because that was the range he was predicted to go at, if not a little earlier (McGinn had him going to Cincy at #11). Drafting him at #12 wasn't a reach at all. But saying that he won't live up to the #12 selection is a straight up fool's errand right now. I think you need to get over the perceived insult that the Packers' draft board didn't line up with yours, because they took who they took, and if we want this team to win, they need several of these guys to show up in a big way.