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I'll take the opposite view on this one, I love Ohtani. It's awesome to see him get this deal and it's felt like the Dodgers were destined to be his home for a few years now. And I am happy he'll be in a market and on a team that will showcase him for the entire sport. We never had a chance with him, so I'm happy to let the Dodgers throw unprecedented amounts of cash at him in order to get him. It's been shown time and time again that the teams with the highest payrolls and the teams that win the offseason don't automatically win the World Series. The Dodgers have one championship in the last 36 years and it was in a pandemic shortened season. The Yankees have one championship in the last 24 years. The Padres, Mets, and Phillies have spent "stupid money" acquiring players and have 1 combined championship in the past 37 years. Heck Ohtani was already paired with "the other" best player in MLB for 6 years and they had no playoff appearances to show for it. I'm not opposed to a more level playing field, but the payroll discrepancy in baseball is also one of its "charms" and part of the reason its been so enjoyable watching the Brewers become a consistent playoff team despite that disadvantage. There are ways to build a successful team that doesn't include signing the most expensive free agent each year. Now let's watch Chourio put up bigger numbers for a fraction of the cost the next 10 years and enjoy laughing every minute of it! 🥳🤞

this is the worst thread ever

Not sure that's true though... Luis Robert's deal (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/luis-robert-22648/) ends with two club options of only $20M each, but those are his first two FA years (which Brewers are getting for $16M and $17M in the Chourio deal, and then the Brewers have the option of extending that to what would have been his 3rd and 4th FA years at $25M each) Corbin Carroll's deal (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/arizona-diamondbacks/corbin-carroll-30414/) is $28M for each of what would be his first two FA year with an option for another $28M in what would be his 3rd FA year. Wander Franco's deal (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tampa-bay-rays/wander-franco-23844/) is $25M per year starting at what would have been his 1st FA year Ronal Acuna's deal (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/atlanta-braves/ronald-acuna-jr-25027/) is the closest to what Chourio's getting with $17M in each of what would be his first two FA years. This is the only case of these four where the club options are a bit nicer at $17M per year. Another way to visualize this: 1st FA Year: Chourio ($16M), Robert ($20M Club Option), Carroll ($28M), Franco ($25M), Acuna ($17M) 2nd FA Year: Chourio ($17M), Robert ($20M Club Option), Carroll ($28M), Franco ($25M), Acuna ($17M) 3rd FA Year: Chourio ($25M Club Option), Robert (FA), Carroll ($28M Club Option), Franco ($25M), Acuna ($17M Club Option) 4rd FA Year: Chourio ($25M Club Option), Robert (FA), Carroll (FA), Franco ($25M), Acuna ($17M Club Option) So for the most part, the Chourio deal is a bit friendlier than those other deals, and possibly quite a bit friendlier depending on what a $25M contract looks like in 8 years.

I definitely prefer Hoskins (proj. 116 wRC+ vs. proj. 103 wRC+), but he's going to be more expensive (~$14-18M per vs. ~$7M per for Santana looking at FanGraphs and MLBTR predictions) and have more teams going after him and we don't know if we'd be a preferred destination for him. That said, I'd be very happy with a Santana return as plan B. While adding a more dynamic bat would be great, I'm also a fan of limiting holes in the lineup with above average bats whenever you can as well. Last season we only had five players (one of which was Santana) with at least 50 PAs that ended the year with a wRC+ over 100: I think this team is probably going to lean on the young'uns developing into the more dynamic bats we need to add (and hopefully an Adames bounce back if he's still here), but re-adding a solid, veteran, switch hitting bat in Santana as well to round out the roster wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. All that said, would love to be surprised and get Hoskins or another big bat in a trade!

Taken from https://apnews.com/article/chourio-brewers-contract-dc78fbd32462a4ae7256454988ee7f5c:

I agree that they shouldn't rush him if he's clearly not ready. That said, the contract certainly removes service time manipulation as a reason to keep him down, while at the same time increasing the temptation to start him immediately to try to earn the rookie of the year related compensation since he's almost certainly coming up at some point this year now anyways and bringing him up later doesn't add any extra control at this point. How much incentive that is/should be for starting him right away is debatable, but the contract certainly adds reason to move him onto the major league roster sooner than if the contract wasn't given to him.

Could also be working something out with escalators. Something starting around $8M but could go up to $12-14M based on games started or innings pitched might be beneficial to both parties. Miley potentially gets more than the $10M he turned down, while the Brewers get a little insurance on an aging pitcher who has had years of only 16, 4, and 8 starts in the past 6 seasons.

I'd be very happy to have him back, but I'd be very hesitant to go North of $10M on him. FanGraph's Crowd Sourcing has him getting 1 yr / $8M (https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?&pos=sp), which I would hope would be much closer to what we offer him.

If you'd like a better idea of how this contract probably actually looks, take a look at Luis Robert's contract: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/luis-robert-22648/ This contract is not going to prohibit them from making any 2 or 3 year deals they could have made otherwise.

Ahhh... that would make a lot more sense on that front. But yeah, the Chourio contract still likely doesn't really affect the payroll or any other potential signings this season.

We are talking about Matt Olson who signed a 8 year, $168M contract? And the Chourio contract is likely structured in a way that he's basically getting paid what he would have gotten anyways in each of the first 6 years, giving him the contract has virtually no bearing on adding other players the first 6 years.

Love it! Hard to go wrong with $80M over 8 years as long as he becomes at least serviceable. Interested in hearing what the options look like. Guessing they're going to be pretty hefty to pick up, but awesome to have the control if he turns into what he could.

Probably but I still don't think it's an acquisition that prohibits them from getting a better first baseman this offseason, or means they're going to trade an outfielder, or indicates they're going to go cheap the rest of the offseason,

I'd be surprised if acquiring a middling guy entering his 1st year of arbitration on November 17th provides any major indication of how this roster is going to be constructed over the next few months. The other potential stuff going on tonight likely will have a much larger impact. And even then, we are waaaaaaay early in the offseason to make any conclusions.

Well the roster's set! This is always the funnest time of year to be a fan, lol.

hmmm... my 2050 rendering came out a little different... nice to see they put some money into Helfaer Field as well

If Ross is still getting paid by the Cubs, then my vote is to pick him up for free and beat the Cubs next year while they pay for our new manager. Regardless, hopefully we finish ahead of them in the standings next year and today ends up feeling like something somewhere between a nothing burger and a dodged bullet.

Well that wasn't expected. Maybe he will spend a year tearing them apart from the inside and then return?? 😬🤞

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Maybe he's going to manage one of his kids' teams? [half blue]

We can lowball CC!

The Polar Bear is Pete Alonso's nickname and there was some trade speculation involving him at this year's deadline. I was in gest speculating him as compensation for CC ;)

Here comes the polar bear!

I'm really on the fence with how to handle this offseason. I do usually side with getting a haul for your stars before they hit FA (or get injured... what a blow with Woodruff), but I feel like we're in a unique spot where our farm system is looking pretty healthy already and we had a wave of prospects hit the majors last year and another wave coming soon that could help this team be contenders as early as next year already. The hardest thing for us to find moving forward is a front of the rotation headed by a guy like Burnes, so it's tempting to take another swing while we still have the ace. That said, I'll be excited to see them go into the season with Burnes still atop the rotation, but also won't be disappointed if they get a real haul for Burnes either.