BrewerFan

I haven't looked at Walter recently, but NFL Draft Buzz HAS to be the worst "scouting" site out there. They just cut and paste the same answers. If a RB is under 200LB, he's 'questions in pass pro, curls up and tries to dive at blitzers feet,' or something along those lines. They have ~10 positive attributes, ~10 negative ones and just mix and match. "Stacks CBs with the best of them," is one.

Hell, Derrick Brooks would be worried about that! But I know one way to solve that issue...send Leo to the NFCN! I'd be thrilled with him as the Mike in this defense. Not quite so thrilled with him in coverage, but he can rush the passer. To be honest though, this one went over my head. Is Chenal particularly bad spying a QB or has Lamar broken his ankles a couple times?

I'd be shocked if he makes it to #58...less so Mims with his injury history. I'd guess he'd go to one of Balt, KC, SF at the end of the 1st and if he doesn't go in Rd1, then I can't see Washington passing him. But it's the draft. There are always guys falling. We drafted Quay, there were people who had Dean as the #1 LB(more had Lloyd, but some certainly had Dean). I think the best case for the Packers would be a team like the Raiders or Denver seeing Penix/Nix sitting there at #25 and are willing to give up a '25 1st to move up. Payton is the most likely to do so, but it'd be easier to justify Guyton and say Edggerin Cooper in the early 2nd if they're there.

I don't think you want the other safety to be exclusively a box safety. If you get a guy in Rd 1 to play safety, ideally, it'd be someone who's interchangeable with McKinney. Someone who can play the slot, play the run and play CF or in a split safety look. I understand the argument you'd rather have a pure CB. That will be interesting...if the Packers are willing to take a guy like Wiggins with his frame, or Sainstrail in the 2nd(I've warmed up to that a lot). I would trade down if I were them. I think they could easily add a 1st in next years draft and I'm definitely of the opinion that you're better off building that OL before you throw that young QB in there. Very few QBs are going to be able to go from CFB to the NFL and play behind a poor OL. On the other hand, Daniels is really impressive. He can make every throw, he's going to be one of the most elusive QBs in the NFL right out of the gate. If it's Maye who's on the board, then I'm definitely moving down and trying to still grab Alt.

I don't really think that's all that compelling. They had Clifton/Tauscher through 2000-2010/'11. Then they drafted OTs in back to back years with Bulaga and Sherrod, the latter ended up having a serious injury and they end up with Bakhtiari and Bulaga for most of the next decade. MANY of those years they also had very pressing needs and used the 1st rd to address more glaring issues. Randall when you started Gunter at CB vs Jones, Haha when you needed a safety badly, Stokes when you lost in the NFCCG with Kevin King's blown coverage. The odds are obviously against taking an OT, but this is not a large sample size and I don't think it's predictive of what they WILL do. Especially if they think there is an elite OT there. I think they'd have taken Wright last year if he was on the board at #13. There are 22 positions on the field and Gute has broken with "norms," several times. They'd have taken Watson in Rd1 if Minnesota would have agreed to trade pick 32 instead of 34. Of course even that wouldn't be a thing if Jordy had been drafted a few spots earlier. Off-Ball, Safety, a smaller WR in Jaire, Reed was under their size thresholds. Again, they probably take another position just because it's the field vs OT, but I don't think it'd be because they haven't taken one since they took two back to back.

I didn't see anyone you missed, but I think Fautanu is pretty clearly a LT. The concerns there were mostly with length and he has the requisite length and he moves really well. Suamatia I think can play LT but probably not right away. I think Guyton ends up at LT(I know you didn't say otherwise). He had a left handed QB, so he was protecting his blindside. If there's one guy who's realistically available at the end of the 1st(I think Fautanu, Fashanu, Alt are gone) I think he's the most likely OT they take. I do believe he also has Guard versatility in this scheme given how he can bend. The huge advantage to having Tom is the ability to play him at LT though. So even if you think someone is a RT only, don't think he's got the feet to play LT, I don't think that's a big deterrence.

I don't want all that in Milwaukee. He has been vindicated with regard to the accusations, but it was still an ugly situation, ugly details, I don't think the people are changing their mind about him and I've never heard a teammate with a good word to say about him. I get that's a bit hyperbolic, but he's not exactly been well liked and...I just don't think the Brewers need that drama, to upset the chemistry and I think we can cover it. Even if Miley is the worst case, I think we can add a player and get by with our defense. Bauer was a great arm. He hasn't played in 4 years and you've seen the discussions on this forum. It'd only get uglier in public...if you think it's justified or not.

3 WRs, at least one LT. Williams looks great. He couldn't beat good teams at USC and he played a little too much like Johnny Manziel. Undisciplined. He has a ton of upside, but I'm not sure if he has more than Daniels anymore and the Bears are going to have to get it out of him. Mahomes got to sit for a year and learn from Reid. Williams isn't going to be given that luxury and he's going to have who developing him? Just another reason I'd take Alt if I were them, though I imagine they'll go defense with that 2nd pick.

Yeah, but if you're trapping well above the 3 point line, you would expect more of a hockey assist. Either way, the rest of the team is going to have to keep hitting shots to make Indiana pay. I agree...I'd probably leave him to rehab in Milwaukee either way. Gotta win one of the next 3 and then maybe hope he comes back.

Gute just publicly praised Cooper DeJean...so he probably wasn't going to be on the board...but if he is, unlikely he's the pick now! I'm only half serious...but I would be surprised to see Gute talking about how much he likes the versatility of a player they were targeting in Rd1.

If Williams and Daniels are in the division, I'd be good with moving back, picking up another pick early in the 3rd and getting Cooper. Especially if Guyton, DeJean, Fautanu, Barton, etc...are all gone by 35. I'd prefer Suamataia over a OG only at #41 and not a fan of Trotter, but I'd be a big fan. I do think to move up to #2, Minnesota is giving up more. Washington would have to be overwhelmed. I really hope the Bears trade down is Alt is on the board. Alt with Wright and Williams gives them an incredible foundation, but I think they will look to split, one on offense, one on defense. Jarrian Jones at #169 would be a steal. I think he could go in the top 100...but there are so many variables. I like the picks and the positions for the Packers. I don't think McCarthy makes it to #11. I think teams are going to be aggressive moving up for that 4th QB and it seems like scouts are higher on McCarthy than those making the mocks. He was asked to do a ton at Michigan, but he's been a winner. 3X B1G Champ, NC. He seems a lot like Herbert coming out with more team success.

I have no memory of the 1970s, just stories of my Dad's glory days. I had some very vague memories of the late 80s, but the Brewers are in pinstripes in them. These are my favorite jersey and I've bought this color for most of my Brewers merch...so no, those are not the only people who could say these are nice jerseys (though I'd say they're awesome, not nice, so might be splitting hairs here).

I agree. Mims may be too much to pass up at #41, but #25 with limited playing time, seems like a high-risk signing but with too much risk. Guyton is one of the biggest boom or bust prospects in that range. Wiggins would be interesting for the reasons mentioned. He's just so skinny.

Probably. He was similar to Walker in '21 at OT, but he was brutal last year. Athletic and maybe they can work on his technique and patience at OT. Seems like he lunges at Edge rushers and gets off balance. A lot of people are upset over this. Not entirely sure why. He's just a body to provide depth. Certainly not a lock to make the team.

Yeah...they're so good at finding QBs, they're helping the Brewers find pitching. What, that wasn't obvious in my post?

You could transfer once without sitting out(unless the coach that recruited you left). That was the NCAA rule. That was challenged and an injunction blocked the NCAA from making kids who were transferring a 2nd time from being ineligible. That was just this past year. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-agrees-to-temporary-injunction-granting-eligibility-for-multi-time-transfers-until-end-of-spring-sports/

I don't care if he has a .750 OPS if his line is .280/.350/.400. For that matter, I don't care if the SLG is .375. He's an elite defensive MIFer. I don't need him to be a slugger.

I saw someone else talk about this. Maybe Andy Herman. He discussed trade up/trade down potentials. Basically trading up for Alt(I think that was his hypothetical) would require a #25 and a 2025 1st. He did say he didn't think Gute would do that either way unless Gute loved a player as he's been aggressive, but he's never been THAT aggressive. The other possibility was trading down from 25 and he threw out the idea that you could add a 1st from a team like Denver, IF one of the QBs is still on the board at 25 and they want to get him in the 1st to get that 5th-year option SO, hypothetically, Denver wants Penix or Nix, they offer #76, #121, and 2025 1st. If THAT trade is offered, Gute's voice shoots up about 10 octaves, his hamstring rips from the bone as he runs to send that trade in! And then he probably starts to look to move up from pick #41 and move back up into the end of the 1st rd. But a 1st rd pick from a team like Denver could have an enormous franchise-altering impact. That team is such a mess, that could be a top 5 pick if not a Bears-type situation with the Panthers this past year. I'd be more skeptical that Payton would do this...if he hadn't done it in the past. I do not believe that they'll make a concerted effort to add picks for next years draft. I think they approach this draft trying to just have the best draft possible and if they add a future pick, that'd be an ancillary benefit, not the driving motivation. Better to celebrate the 32nd pick when hosting the NFL draft than anything else!

Totally agree with almost all of this post... That's why this is a great year to have those extra picks. Allows you to move up or down a bit. All obvious needs. I think we could get by with a day 3 LB. I don't think it'd be ideal. CB is up in the air with Stokes...who had a great rookie season in press man for rookie standards, but then struggled badly, got injured and that injured lingered so long... It's Jaire(injured), Valentine who I like, but he was about an average starter last year(PFF has him graded worse, I don't agree entirely, but solid either way). Nixon is not an ideal slot. So ideally, you find someone to play the slot and then a boundary CB you can develop and who can hopefully come in at some point this year and contribute...assuming it's not Mitchell or someone who looks ready to play right now. I also agree...I'd argue DeJean is worth taking there as he's more likely a Safety. If you have him listed as a CB, that makes more sense, but again, that fallback position is so valuable. Gives you such a high floor(though not a premium position). Watching how Free Agency played out, I have to believe the Packers sign Kamren Curl if they know he's getting just ~9 over 2 years. That was the steal of Free Agency. He's exceptional in coverage, vs the run. He's not a big play guy, but he is very much like an Amos guy and he can play both CF, but better in the box. --Totally agree with LT as the target in Rd1. I'd just push back and say that I think you can take a RT. Tyler Guyton for example. I would have no problem drafting him, starting him at OG(his knee bend is great)...or letting him take snaps all over. He moves so well, I think his issue is more the time spent at DT and just being raw. I don't see any part of his game that doesn't translate to LT. Zach Tom can play either OT also. So if you did take Fuaga(likely gone) you could let him compete at OG with Rhyan and whoever else you drafted and you could always kick Tom over to LT. I've heard people say that the Scouts and Front offices aren't as high on Fautanu, JPJ and Fashanu as the media big boards are. Fashanu is a blue blood. It's just a matter of cleaning up the inconsistencies. He was the "way too early" top 5 pick. Now I've seen him down to 15-18. Fautanu-He fits the Packers recent draft criteria nearly perfectly. You slide him in at RG this year...just to get the best 5 out there, he's an NFL OT, but to ease him in and I think he's your 3rd best OL right away. I think the Packers are going to be moving up and down the board though. Fautanu or Fashanu falls to 20, I think they'd be very eager to go up and get him. I really can't stand the gatekeepers who say "he's not on the Packers board," and offer these absolutes when the Packers have broken with several thresholds, BUT...you think Nubin would be a guy the Packers would go after? Nubin and his 2.91 RAS score, I'd guess that took him off the Packers board. His agility testing was awful, that's the testing the Packers seem to rely on the most. That would probably be the worst athlete the Packers have taken in the draft under Gute...even including late rd picks. It's possible the knee injury was the cause, but I think that's a hard sell for a safety to do what Hafley wants his safeties to do. And while you have McKinney, you really want those guys to be able to rotate and be somewhat interchangeable. I think we get more of a box safety, but I think someone like Bishop fits that profile better. Are you playing Quay as the Mike and Trotter as the Will here? I like Trotter, the lineage, FB IQ, it all fits, but for rd2, again, the Packers would really be going outside their "thresholds." These are obviously not absolute thresholds again, but I think Wilson, Cooper(who may be gone) or Colson later on are all better fits. I also like Ford as a MLB...problem is I don't think he's your #2 nickel LB. I think there are going to be a lot of lean, press type CBs available in this area. OL, Blake Fisher, I like him a lot. Alt overshadows him. An OG like McCormick or Zinter if he falls due to the leg injury. Jordan McGee from Temple could be a gem in the later rds. Joe MIlton would be a great pick in my opinion. Jaheim Bell could be a revelatin after Degura. He's an imperfect player, but he's such a dynamic play maker, I think he would be the guy they hoped they were getting in Degura. Sinnott is a guy who they could go after in Rd4. That's been a priority before. CB/S, Watts from Texas is a guy I've been high on. He's a converted CB, he's 6'3 205, 9.5 RAS IIRC. He'd be an outstanding coverage safety, but there are questions about his ability to play the run obviously. I really don't have any idea if they're willing to trade up in the draft, but if they do, I think they'll make it up by trading down a couple times to add picks in the 5th-6th rd just to take a couple more shots. This was a fluke-ish Mock and they're totally meaningless, but as I've said, I think OL is so important, I'd be fine doubling up on it early. (I took Karty on accident, so I threw a 4th at them just to make the mock work). I'd like to see 3-4 OL 2-3 DBs(I want to see Ford back, he was much better in coverage last year than I think he gets credit for and AJJ was a guy who was mocked as a 3-4th rd pick...I don't think it's wild that he's the other starter at safety, but you still need young players there, either to help this year or to develop). LB-I have Cooper/Wilson as my two favorites. I think Cooper has been unfairly labeled a Will and I don't see why. Ford is a thumber, he's not a nickel LB. I don't think you take him there if you do get a guy like Cooper, but...you could. Fautanu and Morgan can both play LT/OG. Zinter could play OT apparently...he's got the length and the feet(I don't really see it, he looks more like a mauler and OG only, but I've seen some argue he has a little positional versatility). Bullard-To be honest, I don't really know much about him. He reminds me a bit of Haha, but people are higher on him, so I thought he was a good fit.

I saw he was up to 97-98 in short stints...and they're hoping he can carry that over into longer outings. Even at 93-96, more the Freddy range, he could be REALLY effective depth with the potential to come in and give you some quality starts. 5 pitches(4 more usable pitches). The Packers just KEEP finding these guys. Can't wait for Woessner who I'm excited about and I can wait for Mis to just...settle in, relax and stop getting people screaming for his callup. Kids already ahead of schedule, let him develop and work on his stuff, not just doing the stuff that can get MiLB Hitters out.

Also...I thought the lawsuit was from December of this past year. There was an injunction limiting the # of transfers(unless you were a Grad student or your coach left). Have they lost more than that with regard to transfer rules?

Well...again, it's Wrestling, but what they've done is put provisions in there wherein they'll pay for tuition(as part of the deal) and then if that athlete leaves, they're responsible for repaying that money. It's a different sport from the RTCs where athletes train for World and Olympic-level Wrestling, but they're more like contracts. Some of them are contingent. A truck(80-100K) and they lease it with the guarantee they'll own it outright. The difference is, you're talking about 200-400K in NIL+ the RTC money. If it were on another level like Storr, he could leave and get enough more that it likely wouldn't be prohibitive. It's a starting point and the only direct knowledge I have of any NIL deals, so it could be viewed as a starting point....I really don't know. It wouldn't stop an Arch Manning, but it'd likely stop a guy like Chuckie.

I know they do this in some sports...maybe they don't believe they can do this with higher profile CBB/CFB players. The NCAA also allowed just one transfer as an undergrad, then you could transfer as a graduate student. But now with AJ Storr looking at 3 schools in 3 years, a step up each time, I'd hope the NCAA would fight it a bit harder. Not sure what the update on that was, but it's awful for the game.

Agree with most of the rest...though I'd have both Wilson despite his age and Cooper still as good picks at #41. Wiggins is a helluva Cover Corner, but he's just so bad vs the run...you'd really have to try and pack some weight on him. I think it's something you could deal with if you upgrade the MLB and get another safety who's good vs the run like Hicks or Bishop, but it'd be a weakness. I think some of the "threshold," discussions get a little too stringent, but he'd be quite a bit lighter than they ever go at CB. Fautanu or Mitchell seems like the most likely trade-up options(~18 for Fautanu and probably up to ~14 or so for Mitchell...which would be costly).

I recall. He was taking just really defensive swings and it was pretty clear he needed a reset, but I still had hopes he'd become a #2 type hitter. An imperfect comp to Trea Turner with less power and...less upside, but that type of defensive versatility and really good OB skills.