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It's obviously not going to happen, but IF you got Misiorowski up and if he could have an impact for 2-3 innings at a time, you get Williams back, you add Jensen...it'd really make up for the lack of SPing. Get 3-4 from a guy like Hall, 2-3 from Miz, then Megill, Jensen, Hudson, Williams? Not the worst way to get through a game...but yeah, the cost is not what you want to pay for an area that's already a strength. Wish Uribe was healthy(and more mature). I thought he would break out this year...but it's not to be.

I'd like a defensive big now. Oso would be interested. Good passer. Guessing he'll go before the Bucks pick, but...this looks...interesting;

I'd prefer taking a guy they believe has a ton of upside over an older player who will be the 8th guy off the bench, or even AJJ...because you know they won't play him in the playoffs anyway. MAYBE they got the guy who'll be a 25 PPG scorer when Giannis is 32 and the next star. Probably not, but this is the type of pick I wanted a few years ago. Primo from the Spurs was one kid I loved...though, SA did as well, which is why he went about 20 picks earlier than projected. Obviously...I didn't...project that he would be such a dirtbag, but that's not what I'm talking about. Just shooting for a big-time impact player. Primo was on LAC last I heard. I wonder if he's going to get another shot. He had massive talent, but he was young and had some issues.

History would strongly, strongly suggest it won't. The best team seldom seems to win it. The Braves who were under .500 and then got hot(I believe they still ended ~7 games behind us) or the Dodgers last year, the Nats. There is too much luck involved. This feels very much like the "Brewers are cheap and never sign any good FAs" crowd before they signed Hoskins while ignoring the LoCain, Mouse, Grandal signings(among others).

You're kidding, right? THAT is what you're talking about? The "gaslighting," is because the owner has said their goal is to win a championship. That somehow morphed in your head so they're "gaslighting" the fanbase and some promise about making big moves to compete with the larger market teams? I don't really know how to even respond to this seriously at this point. You're effectively saying that Aaron Rodgers "lied" or was "gaslighting" the fans when HE said he wanted to win another Super Bowl and that was his primary goal...or for that matter, really any player. You understand their plan to win is to be continually competitive and due to the high variation and luck involved in baseball...such as Soto getting a hit vs Hader and the ball going under Grisham's glove, the disproportionate number of extremely hard-hit balls last year vs AZ that were LD outs vs the bloopers they turned into runs on their way to a World Series appearance). You seem to be using "gaslighting," in the wrong context. Not sure how else to put it, it just sounds kinda ridiculous. But ok, so he said his goal is to win a WS(the same as every owner, GM, player, manager). I've also asked repeatedly what this move that he's "refusing" to do would be...but I'm not even sure I want the answer to that after I got this answer. It's really simple. They're trying to win by being good every year. Simply put, that gives you the best chance to win. The teams that really "went for it," were the CC team and then the Grinke/Marcum team and they didn't have all that much more to show for it, but they were both certainly worse following those respective seasons and had no chance to win a Title the following years.

Right...but you don't want to actually show me or give me an example, because...just no, right?

Ok...I guess I got confused when you were saying the Front Office was "gaslighting" everyone and they'd actually said they were going to make these moves like the large market teams. If the sum total of your point is, "I want them to win," then I'm not sure anyone's arguing. It seems to be, 'I want them to win...and I don't care what that means for the future, I want them to make a trade to win right now,' and that was the take I had a problem with for a multitude of reasons, namely, that's how you end up back as a 60-70 win team and you don't guarantee yourself anything.

I'll try again as there may have been too many questions.

Ok...so which is it, you fundamentally disagree with their philosophy, or you believe they've lied about it? It feels pretty obvious that Baseball is about getting hot at the right time. The Dodgers have had the most talent several years and not won it, the Braves were very clearly the best team in the NL last year...and who won the NL? AZ. So I'll take them winning the division year in and year out rather than trying to make some big move to 'try and compete' with the big markets. I also don't actually have a say in it and there's NOTHING more annoying than someone THIS discussion. 'So you're alright with mediocrity.' Or this new "sink your teeth in," vague phrase. What does that entail exactly? You explain to me what "sinking their teeth in," means? Should they trade Misiorowski and Quero, screw the future? And then is whatever player we're acquiring, is there any guarantee we're going to win? This wasn't even supposed to be the year for this group. The window is JUST opening and you want to make sure you..."sink your teeth" into what? Crochet? A guy who's thrown about 1/3rd of the innings since HS, the last 8 years, this year? Who else? Or...is this a 'not gonna even bother' one also?

Ok. I suspect it's more because this is a perception you have in your head as opposed to EVERYTHING the Brewers and their Front Office have said and done. If you show me evidence that proves me wrong, I'm more than willing to accept that. If you say 'trust me, you're in denial, but I'm not going to bother to try,' then...it feels like that supports what I've said more than anything... THIS has been the Milwaukee Brewers 'creed' effectively since Stearns and then Arnold have been running things and Attanasio has stepped back.

No...not at all. That's why I LIKE how the Brewers operate. Because 48-33 sure as hell isn't mediocrity...but every year they've been good, if they made the "go for it' trades that people have pushed, aside from most just not working out, they sure wouldn't be 48-33 this year had they done that.

Then show me. Show me what I have forgot or don't understand. Show me when they've tried to fool us into believing they could make the types of moves the large market teams can make...because you're absolutely right, I must be forgetting if that's happened. The CLOSEST I can remember Attanasio coming is him saying they could have added any player's salary at the deadline when Soto was available in a trade. Any player who was traded, could have added their salary for that year. It should be really easy to find it they've constantly talked about making these big moves.

I honestly feel like they've done the exact opposite. They've made it clear they CAN'T do what the large market teams can and they're not going to try to. They've made a point of emphasizing their drafting ideology(under slot early and then more shots at high upside Prep arms or players later). The Pitching Lab, the LA Facilities. They've spent what's a LOT of money for this franchise to have some of the most advanced and cutting edge facilities to develop players...but they've made really no secret of the fact they just can't compete financially. I remember Attansio talking about trading Hader. He was defending the payroll talking about they didn't cut payroll and how nobody would have thought they'd pay a closer 11M. Well...that doesn't sound like an owner who's planning on competing with the likes of the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets when it comes to 'doing what it takes,' to compete with the big boys.

Rivian partners with Volkswagen. It seemed like a partnership was inevitable(or they'd just go under), but I was thinking Apple might partner with them. They clearly have the capital or then TSLA...but Volkswagen is interesting. Great vehicles, just a pain in some places to charge.

They've said "more bites at the apple," more than just about any team uses any phrase. They traded Corbin Burnes this year. I don't know what you think is or should change. They're trying to be competitive every year and develop young talent because...that is the ONLY way they can be competitive year in and year out. Who's misleading you? I really don't understand. They want to win, they're trying to win. They're not going to sacrifice the future and make bad trades so they can win. It isn't much deeper than that.

Weren't we in the 20 range a couple years under Cryst? I thought it was as high as 18 and then 25, 28 something like that 3 years under PC. Not trying to be negative, it was primarily driven by OL, LB and Mertz one class and very few CB, WR...

I've had a lot of surgeries and my shoulder was the worst. They weren't trying to get me to be able to throw a ball again, but...it was brutal. Broken Ankle, Femur, Wrist, torn ACL(s) and shoulder was the most painful rehab and the most frustrating just rebuilding strength. I'd imagine back and neck would be worse. I don't know that I recall any dead spots, but I also wasn't trying to get my spin rate up or rehab like that, just regain functional strength.

I know it's tough, but if anyone has just a range of velo for these guys(the younger guys)...Enniel Cortez, Gonzalez, I'd appreciate it. Not the end all and not everyone has to throw 98 to get outs, but it's nice to know if a kid with a projectable body is throwing 88 or 95...

I remember there was some talk that they may want to move off of Dort a couple years ago...but he's an elite defender(similar-ish to Jrue) in that he's thick, strong and he's got a good wingspan. But then last year he went out and shot 39% from 3. But that'd be an outstanding trade...and I don't know why OKC was ever looking to trade him, but he'd be an ideal fit. It feels like OKC is really building this team the right way and adding a Center in his mid 30s for a young core player is not the way to continue to do that...unless they are looking forward to who they'll have to pay and...I don't know, I can't see it for just Lopez and again, my understanding is the Bucks can't package multiple players. I would think a trade of Lopez to OKC would probably be a good fit in the short-term...it'd allow Chet to play the 4, take a lot of the wear and tear off him, but just doesn't line up with their window which is just opening. But like you, I've just spent much less time paying attention to a lot of these details and rumors than in the past, so maybe OKC thinks they can win it next year(they're not far away) and they'd be willing to.

Well it feels like every time these particular issues pop up, it's a TJ, but sometimes it really just requires rest. And then the kid came up, he was dealing and it seemed like the right move. Obviously, in retrospect, you would prefer he got it done when they found the bone spurs, but I can see why he wanted to pitch through it. He clearly felt good enough and he was helpful. But, it does make it hurt a little more. Perhaps he becomes an extension candidate(obviously not this but next off-season IF he comes back and shows he's had a successful rehab).

DL Hall as "the Hader," since...we always need to make a good lefty "the Hader," Ashby back. Do we really lose anyone? We just have a whole bunch of players coming back or up. Uribe, Megill, Williams...Wade Miley? I wouldn't hate that if he wants to pitch. Payamps, Peguero...Hudson, damn we are going to have a lot of pitching. Really just need an ace. There's this FA from Baltimore that Spotrac says is going to get 7/166....that could be fun! Ok, the last part of ~95.6% sarcasm, and maybe 4.4%

Yeah...that's fair. He's also 20 and there's room to grow. The point was...he's a 20-year-old with a projectable arm and I can understand why someone wouldn't like that deal...and to be honest, it's just more annoying when people are running around gatekeeping trade proposal as if ANYTHING said on this board is going to make even the slightest bit of difference in the real world. Up to 97 mean he can throw 97. And he's again, 20 and has a big league frame. But it's really not that important, I'd agree on that.

I think they're fine with Anders. Didn't Bates miss a few kicks as well? I know he hit a couple 64 yarders and that was a big deal, maybe that'll come back to bite us, but Carlson has a big leg and the problem was certainly not limited to him.

Oh...so it was a nuanced take? You don't beleive the offers the Brewers would make would be satisfactory to the Mets? See...I just thought you were saying; Not effectively, "it'd take a lot." But I guess that's pretty much the same as "zero chance....like not a single chance." My bad!

Wait...what are you disagreeing with @wiguy94? I was agreeing with you! There's not a "single chance," literally zero that the Mets would trade him. I was just reiterating that...sound logic! It's literally impossible😁